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There are no new results, the carbon monoxide test results that are high (20 something) are from tests carried out Aug 31st,( no biological reason why they were this high, probable false reading) the tests carried out on Sept 4th the carbon monoxide was 12 something, compatible with a heavy smoker.

None of the forensic experts either al Fayed's or the Metropolitan police's can come up with an explanation as to the high reading, which is why Prof Forrest testified that it could be a false reading.
Ya the 12 something one was what I meant I thought Professor Johnston said the 12 something level was still too high even for a heavy smoker. I still don't understand why the readings of the vitrous humour readings..(whatever it's called)are so close together is that normal in any way?
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Then he could have just captured a noble bride as spoils of war as the Sforzas of Milan did.

I must say I'm quite impressed with the diligence with which you defend your class from the barbarians cracking at the gates but I just don't think the medieval gates were locked that tightly shut as we like to think.
On talking about my "class", Ysbel, I hope you refer to the station of some of my ancestors in medieval times which were quite nicely positioned in society - alas, I'm just your average German citizen with a keen interest in history.

But you're right, of course, the medieval gates were mor eopen than one thinks today. For example the difference between legitimate and illegitimate children was much smaller than it is today. There is a German expression called "Kind und Kegel" which means the whole family: Kind = legitimate children, Kegel = illegitimate children. because in medieval times blood counted more than marriage and if the father wanted to acknowledge his illegitimate children, he could do so and leave them the same amount of his inheritance than he could leave his other children. That was from necessity - any man could need as much blood-related warriors as possible, so the illegitimate sons were given over to other men, either vassals or employed soldiers, to raise and if they showed to have positive prospects, they were accepted by their father and acknowledged. If they were not that sucessful, they stayed where they are. Quite the incentive! For both the legitimate and illegitimate sons.

So you could advance from illegitimate son to acknowledged son, you could advance from the peasantry into the knighthood through talent and hard work (including a bit of luck) and you could advance yourself through intelligence and education/knowledge - quite some chancellors were not of noble birth but yielded much power because they were good advisors to their Lords, could contract good marriages and their children were part of the nobility afterwards.

But the merchants and bankers as politically influential personalities did not really emerge till the renaissance, from 1400 onwards.

The problem with Mo Fayed is that he obviously has nothing to offer to really interest the local gentry but that he behaves as if he was God's greatest gift to this corner of Scotland.
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Of course his parents aren't going to say he was drunk ! They will always protect their child, no matter what is the truth ....
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Of course his parents aren't going to say he was drunk ! They will always protect their child, no matter what is the truth ....
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...303922,00.html
Sadly sometimes the parents are the last to know of a childs problems with drink or drugs, so I am told. Sometimes they see the child, no matter how old, through rose coloured glasses.
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Sadly sometimes the parents are the last to know of a childs problems with drink or drugs, so I am told. Sometimes they see the child, no matter how old, through rose coloured glasses.
Yes, and that's very sad if they weren't aware of his addiction ... . What I meant is that whether they knew or not, they won't give him up.
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That wouldn't be me, I'd expose them for what they are and my boys know that!
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Wouldn't it have been easy enough to dust the bottles for fingerprints? If M. Paul's prints weren't on them, they weren't bottles that he had bought.

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After years of viewing French mystery films, there is really nothing I wouldn't believe the French police to be capable of.... - but asking you as a French resident: do you believe police could have planted these bottles of spirits? And why should they? Wouldn't somebody have talked already if it had happened that way? Old Fayed surely would have made it worth starting to talk and ten years is a long time for policemen to stay loyal. Paris is not a cheap place to live on a policemen's salary...

I simply don't know. What's your opinion?
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After years of viewing French mystery films, there is really nothing I wouldn't believe the French police to be capable of.... - but asking you as a French resident: do you believe police could have planted these bottles of spirits? And why should they? Wouldn't somebody have talked already if it had happened that way? Old Fayed surely would have made it worth starting to talk and ten years is a long time for policemen to stay loyal. Paris is not a cheap place to live on a policemen's salary...

I simply don't know. What's your opinion?
These are very interesting questions, Jo. I don't know if my answer will represent other french residents', although I'll give you my opinion.

To be honest, French police can be quite clumsy sometimes. I wouldn't say they are more dishonest than other police in the world but they can be very incompetent. If an investigation involves two countries, i.e. France and UK here, you might die before they finally find an agreement ... . I don't know why or how do we always managed to make things complicated. We have all these papers, authorizations, etc. that makes a clear report almost impossible to realize. Probably the same for other nations, tough ... . The impression I have of French police is laziness. Not all of them, but I've met a few officers and it really gave me that feeling. If some guy of the police that night went to his apartment, didn't find alot of bottles of alcohol but then hears that the driver may have drunk too much, it's very easy to write on your report that there were in fact various strong alcohols at Henri Paul's and send a few officers to add some bottles. Then you pass on this report to your british homologous and you're finished : no more work.
Only a few officers would have been in the confidence and since no one till today seemed to worry about them, they may have continued to live without being questioned about anything. The others making the second search didn't know about it so they wrote what they saw : alot of acohol.

Just IMHO. I'm sorry if there are some people in the french police or related to it. I don't want to offense anyone .
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Or perhaps the lazy policemen didn't check all the cupboards! :-)
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^That's what I thought too. When I'm looking for things like bottles w/e I always miss them it's kinda funny cause they're right in front of me.
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Quote : The jury has been told that Mr Andanson did indeed own a white Fiat Uno with a dent in it from an accident he said happened at least two years before the Alma Tunnel tragedy when he suffered a prang on a roundabout.

Mr Andanson sold his Fiat Uno in October 1997, shortly after the crash.


Now wait, how many paparazzo had a white Fiat Uno with a scratch exactly situated where the Mercedes may have bumped it ? And why selling it at this time ? That's really suspicious.
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Quote : The jury has been told that Mr Andanson did indeed own a white Fiat Uno with a dent in it from an accident he said happened at least two years before the Alma Tunnel tragedy when he suffered a prang on a roundabout.

Mr Andanson sold his Fiat Uno in October 1997, shortly after the crash.

Now wait, how many paparazzo had a white Fiat Uno with a scratch exactly situated where the Mercedes may have bumped it ? And why selling it at this time ? That's really suspicious.
Inquest transcript February 5 page 26
Quoting Andanson's statement given January 22, 1998:
1 "Having restarted my work as
2 a photographer-journalist at the Sygma agency [and he
3 gives the Paris address], I needed a suitable vehicle to
4 take up my work again. I used this car a lot and I did
5 372,000 kilometres and stopped using it in 1995,
6 the year after which I stopped paying my insurance.
7 I think I remember that at that time, having made
8 a success of my career, I passed to the BMW stage.
9 I handed my Fiat over to my mother-in-law, who insured
10 it for another year. Afterwards this vehicle remained
11 parked opposite my Charolais shed and, in October 1997,
12 wanting to buy a vehicle for our heir, my son, the Fiat
13 dealers (Mrs Langlois) offered to take our Fiat Uno for
14 5,000 francs as it stood.
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Interesting that the writer of this article chose not to mention that his mode of transport was not a Fiat, but a motorcycle. That is, or course, if his claims were true at all since several other things he claimed were shown to be untrue, such as having taken the famous picture of Fergie and John Bryan.
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Amazing how this document has managed to be hidden for 10 years ...
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Amazing how this document has managed to be hidden for 10 years ...
That's not really amazing. In her hearing Kelly Fisher as a witness said that she had taped some conversations and the barristers along with the Coroner asked her if she could supply them. She said that she had them in the Us but would fly back and give them to the inqueat if they really wanted them. All agreed, so she delivered (other than Burrell who so far has not presented the material he said he had).

A lot of material was unearthed due to the inquest and this is one of them.
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That's not really amazing. In her hearing Kelly Fisher as a witness said that she had taped some conversations and the barristers along with the Coroner asked her if she could supply them. She said that she had them in the Us but would fly back and give them to the inqueat if they really wanted them. All agreed, so she delivered (other than Burrell who so far has not presented the material he said he had).

A lot of material was unearthed due to the inquest and this is one of them.
Oh I see, thanks Jo . What if Diana and Dodi weren't in love at all ? Diana was playing a game to make Khan jealous and Dodi wanted to please his father. It might have been just an illusion to make everyone happy ...
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Oh I see, thanks Jo . What if Diana and Dodi weren't in love at all ? Diana was playing a game to make Khan jealous and Dodi wanted to please his father. It might have been just an illusion to make everyone happy ...
Well, this is what was said at the inquest:

1 LORD JUSTICE SCOTT BAKER: Members of the jury, you may
2 remember that Kelly Fisher gave evidence before
3 Christmas and she had a tape-recording of a telephone
4 discussion between her and Dodi which she was going to
5 go and see if she could find. Mr Foley went to America
6 over a Christmas holiday -- it was not too big
7 a hardship for him because his family lives there -- and
8 he was able to retrieve the tape.

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