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Old 11-21-2007, 07:24 PM
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First of all why did she need to be on view for the French officials but was denied to be given the honor in England for the hordes of people who might have wanted to pass by her closed coffin for a few seconds?

Had Diana's sisters and Prince Charles not been able to be immediately dispatched to collect her remains, then maybe embalming would have been "ok" but then she could have been allowed to rest in the morgue's refridgerator like Dodi!

But you would think someone would have had the foresight of preserving some bodily fluids for future reference to answer the questions that might eventually pop up...mainly the pregnancy issue.

I dare say the inquest tends to create more questions rather than to answer them....
If the French magistrate in charge didn't authorize the embalming, who did and why?

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Old 11-21-2007, 09:12 PM
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A British coroner has no power to compell witnesses to testify from abroad if they refuse to. Ten years ago the original British coroner knew this and refused to grant an inquest into Diana's death because he knew it would be a waste of time and tax payers' money. He fought off attempts by al Fayed to bring about an inquest for 5 years, after his death the new British coroner agreed to run an inquest. But the fact still remains that any French citizen who doesn't want to testify doesn't have to. The current coroner asked the French government to compell the paparazzi to testify and also the French-Vietnamese man who it's believed to have been the driver of the white Fiat Uno that caused the accident to testify. But the French government have maintained that it's the individual's choice and they won't compell them.
Oh ok I got it cause I read this(the article below) and got confused. I'm assuming it's just what you have told me right?

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The coroner in the Princess Diana inquest has said he may appeal against a ruling blocking the use of statements from paparazzi who refuse to attend. Lord Justice Scott Baker had said the French photographers’ statements could be admitted as evidence.
However, the High Court backed a challenge to this ruling.
The princess, her companion Dodi Al Fayed and their chauffeur Henri Paul died when their car crashed in Paris while being pursued by photographers.
The coroner said the High Court judgement could make it hard to present vital evidence.
Disputed evidence
The photographers were asked to appear in person at the hearing.
They declined, and the French government has backed their right not to appear.
Lord Justice Scott Baker decided their statements could be read to the jury, in order to allow the evidence to be heard.
But lawyers acting for the family of Mr Paul and for Mohamed Al Fayed, Dodi’s father, said they should be able to cross-examine the paparazzi.
They argued that the Coroners’ Rules 1984 prevented the admission of purely written evidence unless it was “unlikely to be disputed”.
‘Determined’
On Tuesday, Judges Lord Justice Thomas and Mrs Justice Dobbs ruled in their favour.
But Lord Justice Scott Baker said he had immediately and successfully applied for leave to appeal their judgment.
In a statement, he said the judges’ decision could “add materially to the length and cost of these inquests”, and make it “more difficult” to allow the jury to hear evidence from absent witnesses.
He added that he was “determined to do his utmost to ensure that all relevant evidence is put before the jury”.
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I actually take back what I said earlier the Fiat Uno could have been planned. My mom talked to me about it and it sorta made sense. I mean even with a dog and the risk he still could have been payed and have taken the money even with knowing the risk. The dog could fit into it being that he wanted to make it seem as normal as possible.But really I'm not that much of a conspiracy theory lover but I can see how all this surfaced. Doesn't mean it's true or anything I'm just trying to analyze all the evidence in both the it was just "an accident" and the "conspiracy theory" view. Although I do think the medical care is all true and they did what they could.
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:17 AM
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If the French magistrate in charge didn't authorize the embalming, who did and why?
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The answer to your question is in your accompanying news link:

"Jean Monceau, testifying via videolink from Paris told the inquest in London’s High Court that no one ordered him to embalm the body. Monceau said he himself suggested it after Keith Moss, the British consul general in Paris, told him to prepare the body for viewing by Prince Charles, the princess’s former husband.

He told me to do what was necessary. It was not possible to present the body in the state it was," Monceau said." [my bolding]

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Excerpts from the Paget Report, chapter 9, pages 532 - 557:

The French funeral directors had also called for ice to place near the Princess of Wales’ body in an attempt to keep her body cool. Neither action appeared to be particularly successful.

Dodi Al Fayed’s body was lying at the IML mortuary. The Paris IML mortuary is at a separate location from Pitié-Salpêtrière Hospital. He had been taken there directly from the scene. No request was made to have Dodi Al Fayed embalmed. He was repatriated to the United Kingdom later that day on a private flight.

The process of embalming the Princess of Wales took place between the hours of 2pm and 4.30pm, approximately. Operation Paget is aware of a widespread belief that embalming took place within an hour of her death. This is not the case.

Public Prosecutor, Maud Coujard had no further responsibility for the two bodies as the deaths were attributed to the crash and not considered to be suspicious. She was not involved in any way in the decision to embalm.

As no suspicious circumstances were associated with the medical issues Professor Riou signed the relevant form, stating that there were no legal/medical obstacles associated with the body. The Deputy Public Prosecutor then signed a burial certificate for the Princess of Wales and relinquished all responsibility for her body, including any decision on embalming.

The embalming of the Princess of Wales’ body then proceeded in accordance with the ‘Code Général des Collectivités Territoriales’ (Articles R.2213-2) detailed above for non-suspicious deaths.

The evidence shows that all involved in the decision to embalm the Princess of Wales believed it was necessary to make her body presentable before viewing. Jean Monceau, an experienced French embalmer, believed this was the only way to ensure the Princess of Wales was presentable. He discounted the use of dry ice or mortuary cleansing because of the extent of her injuries.

Other views were influenced by the heat in the room and the effect it was having on the Princess of Wales’ body.

It is the Operation Paget view that it was not illegal to embalm the Princess of Wales in these circumstances in France.
The evidence of the French embalmer Jean Monceau is that he clearly believed the embalming was necessary and lawful, notwithstanding the fact that authorities were verbal. [my bolding]
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:40 AM
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i may be mistaken and please correct me if i am, in the muslim religion it is custom to wash the body and wrap it in a clean white cloth and burial takes place the same day. this would explain why embalming isn't needed. embalming delays the decomposition process and in western cultures, where viewing the body and the funeral can take days, embalming is done.
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:36 PM
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The Di Express certainly knows how to 'alter' the facts -

And the hearing was also told the princess feared her telephone calls were being tapped in the months leading up to her death. (HE SAID "She never expressed that concern but her actions were such, in terms of changing her telephone number, that it was clear that that was a concern to her,)

Diana’s former private secretary Michael Gibbins told London’s High Court that he detected “disapproval” from within the royal echelons about Diana’s lovers. (HE SAID whether disapproval was coming not just from the tabloid press but the royal household itself. -"I'm not sure that I was directly aware of that but by inference certainly," Mr Gibbins replied)

He insists they were murdered because the security services had discovered she was pregnant by Dodi and it would cause embarrassment to the establishment. (THEY SEEM TO BE SAYING THIS IS WHAT HER PRIVATE SECRETARY INSISTS, WHICH HE DOESN'T)

"Michael Gibbins, identified four men whose relationships with the princess had caused concern among courtiers. They were Will Carling, the England rugby captain, Major James Hewitt, James Gilbey - who was involved in the "Squidgygate" affair - and Barry Mannakee, her former protection officer"

HOW WOULD HE KNOW, HE HAD ONLY WORKED FOR HER FOR JUST OVER A YEAR.
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:38 AM
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"Michael Gibbins, identified four men whose relationships with the princess had caused concern among courtiers. They were Will Carling, the England rugby captain, Major James Hewitt, James Gilbey - who was involved in the "Squidgygate" affair - and Barry Mannakee, her former protection officer"

HOW WOULD HE KNOW, HE HAD ONLY WORKED FOR HER FOR JUST OVER A YEAR.
from other sources, I think it was stated that the names of Diana's lovers were identified by Michael Mansfield,QC who represents Mohamed al Fayed.Michael Gibbins's reponse was "which one?"
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:45 AM
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The mail identifies 5 lovers. It's about time there was some mention of these men in the Diana myth.
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i may be mistaken and please correct me if i am, in the muslim religion it is custom to wash the body and wrap it in a clean white cloth and burial takes place the same day. this would explain why embalming isn't needed. embalming delays the decomposition process and in western cultures, where viewing the body and the funeral can take days, embalming is done.
Thats right. Both Islamic and Jewish burials take place as soon as possible, usually the day after death. Embalming however, is forbidden by both.
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While having the names of some of Diana's real and alleged lovers read out in court is no doubt titillating for some, what relevance does it have to her death in a Paris car crash?
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from other sources, I think it was stated that the names of Diana's lovers were identified by Michael Mansfield,QC who represents Mohamed al Fayed.Michael Gibbins's reponse was "which one?"
I should have been a bit clearer, (, silly me), how would someone who had worked for Diana for such a short time, know what any of the courtiers or royals felt with regard to any of her previous lovers. All he could be talking about is the gossip and inuendo that goes on in the servants hall, because I find it unlikely any senior courtiers discussed anything with him, bearing in mind that Diana was no longer involved in royal duties.
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While having the names of some of Diana's real and alleged lovers read out in court is no doubt titillating for some, what relevance does it have to her death in a Paris car crash?
None at all from what I can see.
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While having the names of some of Diana's real and alleged lovers read out in court is no doubt titillating for some, what relevance does it have to her death in a Paris car crash?
we shall wait and see. The Dail Mail today questioned the intention of identying Diana's lovers by Michael Mansfield QC and give us a suggestion to wait and see. I am surprised to see him mentioning about this because it looked damaging Diana's image again for me. Probably Michael Mansfield QC wanted to prove that the palace was unpleased about Diana's liasions long long ago which created their possible intention to get rid of Diana when there was a suitable suitation.

What did these men really mean to Diana? Al Fayed's lawyer outs the Princess's five 'lovers' at her inquest
What did these men really mean to Diana? Al Fayed's lawyer outs the Princess's five 'lovers' at her inquest | the Daily Mail
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I believe the inclusion of Di's guys was to show that she was leading a life the Royal Family dissaproved of.
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Yes, I understand this is the long-term aim of the Al Fayed lawyers, but in which case, why wasn't Hasnat Khan's name on the list? Why name Manakee, who has been dead for 20 years, and omit Khan, whom Diana wanted to marry?

Also curious is that Al Fayed, who claims Diana was his almost-daughter-in-law, would deliberately set out to trash her moral reputation in such a public manner.
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and what about oliver hoare? and there was also a man from the US...forget his name?
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Also curious is that Al Fayed, who claims Diana was his almost-daughter-in-law, would deliberately set out to trash her moral reputation in such a public manner.
I think Al-fayed doesn't care for Diana and her reputation one bit. He's one of the guys who only use people. Diana was a prize for him, nothing more, as is this tasteless statue of Di and Dodi at Harrod's - only meant to cater to tourist who come and want to see it and then go on to buy something at Harrod's, thus earning him a profit.

What he wants to prove is that it was not him through careless selection of security personnel who killed his son. As long as he sees a chance to put this blame elsewhere, he is willing to do it. Even if that means that he needs to destroy Diana's reputation - that, what is left of it.

Poor Diana has noone who is willing to fight for her in public: neither the Royals (including her sons) nor her family has shown any interest in checking if Kelly (?) Fisher or others had something to say about Dodi and Diana, that put that relationship into perspective. And why should they? all but Al-Fayed have long ago realised that it was an unfortunate accident.
There are even pics availabe that prove that Diana did not wear a seatbelt. So why insist she "always wore one"? She did not wear one that night. Full Stop.

So when all will be said and discussed at the Inquest, we'll see Diana exposed to the younger world who has not experienced her charm and charisma as a promiscuous Royal who was duly divorced by her husband who had been secretly in love with a lady he could not have - and who has been rewarded by being able to finally marry his "true love" when Diana died. All that thanks to Al-Fayed and the companionship Diana sought with these people.

As for William and Harry- judging from their current lifestyle, nothing that is revealed about their "Mummy" should shock them. They see it anyday in their circle of friends.
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Oliver Hoare was included in the list read out at the inquest. He and his wife must be very unimpressed with the Al Fayed legal tactics.
It appears no-one is safe from Al Fayed in malicious mode.

On the one hand the inquest is attempting to determine the cause of death of Diana in that Paris tunnel. On the other, the Al Fayed team is using it as a stage on which to cause embarrassment, settle scores, and trash reputations in order to weave their grand conspiracy theory.

If the "naming of past lovers" is any indication, things are going to get a lot worse. The circus has just begun.
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and what about oliver hoare? and there was also a man from the US...forget his name?
There wasn't a man from the U.S. I think, thats Fergie not Diana..
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