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Old 12-17-2006, 02:06 AM
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i guess i could always just read the prepared and always "honest" government propaganda and think i am well informed like you think you are. you are totally unrealistic to not question the actions of these people considering you are so interested in laying diana to rest. you would think these things that were done to her were appalling like letting her die internally choking in her own blood instead of taking her to the hospital like they should have and blocking her from the benfits most people get like lights, telephones and video of what happened that would benefit her case and prove one way or another, and don't forget the bodies that are stacking up with some being burned to death in their own car associated with that night. you are living in your own world and whining too loud about what you think others are living in.

i'll read the papers you said, and i'll point out every stupid thing they stated that they didn't point out as a "red flag" meaning some stupid mistake they normally would be sitting in prison for. the whole document is probably trash and biased to the accident direction.

i've read better articles and done a lot of research on the internet, and most of these accusations are more realsitic than the original police accident report. they at least explain why they screwed her up so bad, but ignore that while you sit on your high horse waving you english rose postcards like you cared. i can at least read past many stupid mistakes over and over again commited by police officers.

So you are saying that the internet provides better sources than the report that uses statements from both sides - i.e. statements from people who say it was a conspiracy and people who say it wasn't, whereas the links that you provided just rehash the conspiracy theories that have been in the press for the last 9 years.

Please actually take the five hours or so it takes to read the actual report and then say that they haven't considered both sides. You may still disagree with their view but at least take the time to look at what information Stephens had to work with - namely statements from Diana, Dodi, Al Fayed, friends of both, relatives of both, associates of both, paparazzi, journalists, employees of Al Fayed, employees of Diana etc, experts in their fields etc. - before you condemn it out of hand.

I took the time to look up the links you provided. A similar courtesy from you would be appreciated from those of us on here who have read some or all of it (I am at page 609 at the moment).

Until you have done that you have not actually opened your eyes to an alternative point of view - that is that there was no conspiracy.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:01 AM
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I don't know if people believe in conspiracy theories because the truth is just not believeable to them or because they feel things have to happen for roundabout reasons that no one can explain. Either way, Diana died because she was in a car driven by a drunk driver that smashed into a concrete pylon. Anything else is just bunkum.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:20 AM
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... i don't think they [William & Harry] have a right to say anything right now because honestly they haven't said anything unil now, which adds more suspicions rather than puts an issue to rest.
[my bolding in quoted part]
blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:20 AM
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blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?

I hope I didn't read the same thing as you did.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:57 AM
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[my bolding in quoted part]
blackdaisies, is there a reason you believe that William and Harry "don't have a right to say anything" about the inquiry into their mother's death?
Are you saying that we have the right to talk about it, but they don't?
If the Princes speaking out "adds more suspicions" are you now suggesting that William and Harry are involved in the cover-up?
Surely William and Harry have as much right as anyone to speak about the investigation, particularly as William was interviewed for it.

As for the comment that Diana was telling people every day that she feared for her life, it Blackdaisies had read the report, then he/she would know that not all of Diana's friends agree with that statement - many of them say that Diana had never mentioned anything like that to them - sure some did but not everyone.


Personally I think William and Harry have more right than any of us to speak out about what they believe happened to their mother and, if it was a conspiracy, who was involved. I think they are very angry that people could suggest the grandfather or father they so clearly adore could have killed the mother they also adored. Just imagine the pain these young men have gone through with these accusasations about their loved ones.
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Old 12-17-2006, 05:24 AM
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I've just finished reading the report and all I can say is that it is very, very sad. That her death has been turned into a circus is even sadder. If only she'd been allowed the dignity and privacy in death that she was deprived of in life.
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:10 AM
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anybody following information on where she was going during those last 10 or 15 minutes could have been giving someone else in the communication rooms enough information so that they knew down to the last few minutes that she could not escape where they finally cornered her, that they could get away with turning the phones, video cameras, and lights off then at that minute.
I see you don't have an idea how complicated it is to "turn off" the lights in a big city like Paris. There simply is not one person or a communication room in which things like that happen. The way energy is delivered into the different houses, to the roads and tunnels is very divided. To do what you claim "they" did was maybe possible. But not within 15 minutes. BTW - the metro which runs very close to pont de l'Alma worked perfectly fine. As for the "security cameras" the report says that there were none pointed to the road. All cameras in the vicinity of the route along the river were checked and it turned out they were perfectly working. But they worked to protect their owner's house which is why they have been there: all privately owned and all concentrated not on the road but on the houses along it to make sure nobody could enter.

Please, read the report before you go on to make yourself unhappy with ideas that there is just a slight possibility unknown forces could pull off such a stunt and get away with it after two police investigations. You're making yourself afraid of life if you believe in such sinister forces. So please, use your brain and check the report for4 things that sound out of the normal or badly researched and let Diana rest in peace. Just my opinion, okay?
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:16 AM
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you say her children asked that the conspiracy theories laid to rest, but is that what was said to princess diana when she was alive by them? when she was scared for her life almost everyday and asked for help and was told there is no such thing and it's part of your imagination, is that what her children also told her?
But she wasn't really scared! She wrote this note about two years before she died wehich was before she was divorced. After the divorce she never said anything about being afraid and she even stopped to use bodyguards whenever she could. She did not have her car checked for damages, she just went out on her own and loved it. Why should the Royal family kill let her be killed off when they had already payed for her and when the danger of her marrying a muslim had just ceased to exist when she quit her long-term relationship with Hassan Khan? They simply had no motive because they knew Diana was not going to marry Do al-Fayed. So where's the motive for such a plot? What did they have to win from her death? Nothing. Diana was well on her way to disgrace herself with flings à la Dodi. But that was good for Charles and his family, wasn't it? Why make her into an icon when she herself was merrily pushing herself from the pedestrial people had put her up to? Time worked for the RF and against Diana. anyone could see that, especially the RF. Why do away with her? Why?
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:43 AM
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Any thought that the royal family, had, in any way participated in the tragic demise of Diana - Princess of Wales is beyond all reasonable comprehension and logic. From where I'm sitting anyhow (as one does when one is on the computer).

Until the day of her passing, Diana was an active member (though of a seperate office by way of divorce) within the institition that is the Royal House of Windsor and that should not be forgotten or misplaced amongst any theory put forth.
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Old 12-17-2006, 07:59 AM
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It is very simple

+ high speed
+ drunken chauffeur
+ no seatbelts
+ dark slippery tunnel
= a fatal crash
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Old 12-17-2006, 11:13 AM
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i think she would be proud that scotland yard cared enough for her that they would search every small detail until they found an exact truth, or at least hopefully they do.
I think you will find that the investigation and subsequent report were commissioned by Michael Burgess, the coroner of the Queens Household, IMO, at the request of the Royal Family.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6175119.stm
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Old 12-17-2006, 02:30 PM
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I hope I didn't read the same thing as you did.
I hate to say it but I too "hope I didn't read the same thing as you did". Just when you think the conspiracy theories couldn't get any worse.
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:16 PM
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i don't think they have a right to say anything right now because honestly they haven't said anything unil now, which adds more suspicions rather than puts an issue to rest.
They have more right than anyone here and if people truly cared about and thought anything of their mother, they would know how upset, shocked and horrified she would be about anyone making such accusations against her beloved sons.
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Old 12-17-2006, 05:03 PM
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Will Diana speculation ever end?


This is a defining moment. The core team of 10 British detectives, led by Lord Stevens, were set their task back in 2004 by the then royal coroner, Michael Burgess.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6176613.stm

Timeline: How Diana died

Key events leading up to and following the death of Princess Diana in a car crash in Paris

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6217366.stm
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Thank you for the links, Skydragon. They are very informative and useful. And yes..you are right: Prince Harry and Prince Williams are both more than right wanting to know what really happened to their mother.

Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...

Vanesa.
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Old 12-17-2006, 09:56 PM
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After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...
We do? That's news to me.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:27 AM
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Thank you for the links, Skydragon. They are very informative and useful. And yes..you are right: Prince Harry and Prince Williams are both more than right wanting to know what really happened to their mother.

Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was...

Vanesa.
Er, no we don't! It's still all speculation, there's no definite fact as to who it was.
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:03 AM
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Of course we must not be worried , for at least, truth comes ALWAYS to surface. After more than 100 years, we finally knows who Jack the Ripper was... Vanesa.
Now, now. You know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:11 AM
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Now, now. You know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Yet, many threads of this Forum are afflicted with the unflattering trait it seems

(Not directed at you MARG)
If William and Harry can aknowledge the findings as the truth (I really can't believe that these two young men would support the findings if they infact felt an injustice, and a grave one at that, had been committed) then why should it be so difficult for others?

I do find it sad that Diana, after almost 10 years, has still not been given the right (her right) to rest in peace. Value her memory and the good she did, appreciate her beauty for what it was and remember her in the way she deserves to be remembered but don't ponder on the unchangeable.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:28 AM
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If William and Harry can aknowledge the findings as the truth... then why should it be so difficult for others?
That's quite simple Madame Royale.

Wiliam and Harry either/or/all of the below:
a. are part of the conspiracy-cover up;
b. are being blackmailed by the secret services;
c. have been threatened by agents with lethal syringes.

I'm sure these facts can be found on the internet somewhere. If not, they are now here.
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