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Old 12-15-2006, 05:37 AM
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waste of public money! dont bother doing any inquiry again. let the princess of wales rest in peace, and allow us to keep all he happy memories of her doing charity work and being such a great public icon, instead of digging out all the weird friends she had, and her insecuritiness etc. blablabla.
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Old 12-15-2006, 05:38 AM
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To think it is or was anything more than a very unfortunate accident is ridiculous. It amazes me that is has cost so much time and money to finally announce the obvious conclusion.
Ah, but some people just cannot reconcile the pitiful fact that the difference between life and death was a seatbelt. They just cannot understand how something so ordinary, so pedestrian, took the life of an extraordinary woman. As for the "Great Romance", just how long was it?
With the filter of time and emotion it has become a "Great Romance" instead of the 'curtailed affair' that it actually was.
As for Mahommed Al Fayed, it seems the man is simply barking. He has worn out any sympathy one could feel for his loss of a child by his repeated vicious slanders against Prince Phillip.
Legal steps should be taken to silence is invective!
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Old 12-15-2006, 05:49 AM
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Chrissy - this is the only way the British investigators could manage the whole Diana debacle on avoiding the impression that anyone is lying of influenced by the establishment.

Look: they published more than 800 pages. In it they look at the case from each imaginable point of view and quote all the witnesses they interviewed. Most statements are O-tone, direct quotes. As each witness has been given a written report of their statement to sign after the interview and has a copy of this statement, there is no way anyone could have tampered with these statements. After each collection of statements there is a resumee explaining the position the investigators towards this investigated aspect of the case.

Now the report is out in the open. Each witness has a chance to read it and see if all their answers have been used. There is enough time to come out into the public if they investigators left out statements that a witness deems important. And anyone reading it can make up his7her own mind if he/she comes to the same conclusions.

Eg the question about the note: so many people say that if Diana really felt threatened, she would have talked to them about it. Or that she didn't act on her alleged fears. The most normal reaction would have been to have the car checked. But all people concerned with servicing Diana's car said that she didn't say anything about it and that the brakes were okay. You cannot lie to the police about such circumstances. There are bills about inspections which detail what kind of work was done. There are internal reports about the way the car was checked, because the service people of course knew about their resonsibility. If anything like that had happened they knew they would be in for trouble! So of course the whole "career" of Diana's cars is documented both by the princess's office and by the service station.

So the conclusion about how Diana actually felt sounds sensible to me. Like the other points as well. So if no one comes forward now and proves that their statement has been omitted or changed, we simply know that what's in the report is the truth. Because it's impossible to manipulate an investigation of that public nature without somebody speaking up.

And that's IMHO why they published this report. So prove once and for all times that Diana's death was an accident. A unfortunate one, but an accident none-the-less. Even though the investigators say that there are questions that will never be completely answered, there is enough circumstancial evidence that these question are not vital for the outcome of the investigation. Because those facts who really point to the basic truth are there, as established facts. Established through crime evidence specialists or through the statements of witnesses who are supporting each other without having known what the others would say when they were interviewed.

I'm only saddened that prince Willaim and prince Harry have to learn so much about their mother they'd probably prefered to not know. Like the real strange people their mother trusted in. Or the whole affair with Hasnat Khan and later Dodi, Diana's obvious paranoia, the way she thought about prince Charles etc. It's IM HO not something the children of a person should need to read, but at least they are grown up now and will have a kind of understanding for Diana's situation.

Call me stupid but why did you quote my part of my earlier comment relating to the question about whether or not Trevor Rees Jones was actually wearing a seatbelt.

I haven't yet finished reading all 800+ pages (have reached page 236) and am very impressed with the way it has been put together.

I had one question which I raised here about 15 hours ago and made a couple of comments about that query.

You then take that one comment and write a response but I don't understand the relevance of my quote to your response.

Please explain, particularly why you only took one part of the entire post.

Without the rest of the post the comment looses its meaning IMHO.
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I have to be honest and say that I'm not interested in actually reading the document...what has it really brought to light that many of us didn't already know, and by this, I mean the circumstances which surrounded the accident and consequently, the deaths of Diana and the two men with her.

Seatbelts, alcohol, paparazzi & speeding...

At the rate of response, this thread is very likely too become the longest in the forum.lol.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:39 AM
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Call me stupid but why did you quote my part of my earlier comment relating to the question about whether or not Trevor Rees Jones was actually wearing a seatbelt.

I haven't yet finished reading all 800+ pages (have reached page 236) and am very impressed with the way it has been put together.

I had one question which I raised here about 15 hours ago and made a couple of comments about that query.

You then take that one comment and write a response but I don't understand the relevance of my quote to your response.

Please explain, particularly why you only took one part of the entire post.

Without the rest of the post the comment looses its meaning IMHO.
Chrissy, you said: "Maybe Al Fayed is right and Stephens has been blackmailed and this is his way of saying so - make one obvious error and everyone will know the rest of the report is wrong?"

Which is an idea I thought worth commenting on. Yes, what if Lord Stevens produced this error to tell the world that the rest of the report is wrong?

I only tried to answer this question on stating that publishing the whole report is the best way to make sure that the world knows that Lord Stevens has nothing to cover-up and couldn't cover-up anything because the possibility of all witnesses to read what the report says before the inquest gives them the opportunity to speak up in time to be heard.

It also gives readers like you the opportunity to find potential faults with the report and to discuss these findings with others.

So my opinion is that neither was Lord Stevens blackmailed nor did he try to use an error as a vehicle to warn people about the missing truthfulness of his report. Which is what you put as a question up to discussion.

I hope it's clearer now.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:44 AM
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I've reached page 102, and its fascinating stuff in the degree of detail that's been laid out, in some cases minute-by-minute breakdowns; in others witness statements taken apart and analysed to cover every angle and every inconsistency.

A couple of things I've noticed: Michael Cole, Al-Fayeds' spokesman, lodged a complaint with the British Press Complaints Council over the intitial reports that claimed Diana was pregnant. He also made a public statement saying that no-one knew the significance of the ring, and was never likely to.

All of the main allegations about the conspiracy have come from Al-Fayed himself, and most date from 2003. It is also interesting to note how his employee's witness statements have changed over time in an attempt to add substance to the later claims of high-level conspiracy, engagement, pregnancy etc. For example, a valet or butler who initially wasn't sure what was going on later recalled with some clarity Dodi on bended kneee caressing Diana's tummy, while she sighed "yes".

The poor employees can't be entirely blamed though; they must have been under some pressure to keep changing their statements to accord with the claims coming from the boss's mouth.

The revelation that Diana had thought of warning Camilla that both were potential targets to make the way clear for Charles to marry another was certainly a surprise. It puts the "he's going to tamper with my brakes" note in an entirely different context. Now the hunt will be on to identify "the third woman".
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Old 12-15-2006, 11:36 AM
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Well, Daily Mail feels sure they know the mysterious 'third' woman - unsurprisingly, they think it's Tiggy.

Diana: Charles wanted rid of Camilla - so that he could marry Tiggy!


Princess Diana feared she and Camilla Parker Bowles were to be eliminated in a royal plot, paving the way for the Prince of Wales to marry another woman. She believed the two rivals were to be 'put aside' to make 'the path clear' for Prince Charles to marry royal nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:42 PM
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As for Mahommed Al Fayed, it seems the man is simply barking. He has worn out any sympathy one could feel for his loss of a child by his repeated vicious slanders against Prince Phillip.
Legal steps should be taken to silence is invective!
I am sorry to but Mr. Al Fayed is a man that he JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PLOT. I HOPE HE GOES ON UNTIL THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!! I LOVED DIANA AND WANT THE REAL TRUTH TO COME OUT.

WHAT DOES MR. AL FAYED HAVE TO FEAR ABOUT THE DEATHS- HE WANTS THE TRUTH INTO THE DEATHS.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:04 PM
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I am sorry to but Mr. Al Fayed is a man that he JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PLOT. I HOPE HE GOES ON UNTIL THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!! I LOVED DIANA AND WANT THE REAL TRUTH TO COME OUT.

WHAT DOES MR. AL FAYED HAVE TO FEAR ABOUT THE DEATHS- HE WANTS THE TRUTH INTO THE DEATHS.
Don't you believe the "real truth" has come out? If not, what is it that makes you think that something's still not been discovered or revealed?
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Old 12-15-2006, 09:28 PM
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As for Mahommed Al Fayed, it seems the man is simply barking. He has worn out any sympathy one could feel for his loss of a child by his repeated vicious slanders against Prince Phillip.
Legal steps should be taken to silence is invective!
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I am sorry to but Mr. Al Fayed is a man that he JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PLOT. I HOPE HE GOES ON UNTIL THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!! I LOVED DIANA AND WANT THE REAL TRUTH TO COME OUT.

WHAT DOES MR. AL FAYED HAVE TO FEAR ABOUT THE DEATHS- HE WANTS THE TRUTH INTO THE DEATHS.
The problem with your argument is that for anyone to have actually pulled off a murder that evening they would have to have known the following points:

1. what route they were going to take back to the apartment
2. which car they were going to use
3. that they would even return to the apartment
4. what time they were going to leave the Ritz


The only people who could have known all of those things at any time after the decisions were made were in the employ of Al Fayed.

Al Fayed himself has said that he wanted them to stay at the Ritz.
They had three cars set up to leave and chose the one at the back door not the ones at the front, as would have been expected - who knew they would leave by the back door.

They didn't take the shortest route to the apartment but a longer one.

In addition to having the above knowledge - which only those in Al Fayed's employ had - you would also have to have known:

5. that they wouldn't put on their seatbelts
6. that they would actually be killed in the crash (and there is no way of knowing for sure that that will happen - just look at how many people walk away from cars equally or even worse damaged that theirs was - yesterday I came across an accident in which their were two fatalaties and two people walked away with no physical injuries at all).


If you actually start to ask the important questions about the evening itself - who knew what they were planning on doing, when they were going to do it, the route they were going to take etc it becomes obvious that an assassination plot just can't work.



That people may have wanted to kill Dodi and/or Diana is not that same thing as saying that they were able to put it together in the time-frame available that evening - namely from the time they decided to definitely leave the Ritz to getting in the car and knowing the route they were going to take.


Some people will have questions which will never be answered because some of the people who made decisions died in that crash. There are always unanswered questions about traffic accidents and deaths but they don't mean their was foul play.


Please note - is there a reason that you also felt the need to shout your opinion?
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it might prove that it was those who wanted dodi fayed dead and they were listening in on his private security arrangements. they had good reason why they would want him dead if it were associated with some arms sales. you should remember that you are working with the intelligence agencies of how many countries who all had something to lose if there were any information legitmately released. france, england, the u.s., and what country dodi fayed sold those guns to and where he was from.

if this were a professional hit done by another government, then they couldn't release the real information. these people might be investigated for something else and can't be revealed yet as princess diana's murderer.

what i don't understand is how the ambulance driver can take almost 2 hours to go 4 miles and not be questioned as someone who might have meant harm by his negligence. in reality, think for yourself, how could this be possible?

there are too many strange things that happened all at once to say there was no foul play. there were even witnesses saying tony blair had people take over the communications for that area long enough to block phone calls and turn the security cameras off. common sense would tell you a 2 hour ambulance ride, no cameras that were suddenly turned off just before she drove into the tunnel, and no available communications because they were turned off has no other chance in reality other than to be called reasons for her death and a way to commit the murders.
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what i don't understand is how the ambulance driver can take almost 2 hours to go 4 miles and not be questioned as someone who might have meant harm by his negligence. in reality, think for yourself, how could this be possible?
Questioned by whom?
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Old 12-16-2006, 12:14 AM
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As for Mahommed Al Fayed, it seems the man is simply barking. He has worn out any sympathy one could feel for his loss of a child by his repeated vicious slanders against Prince Phillip.
Legal steps should be taken to silence is invective!
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I am sorry to but Mr. Al Fayed is a man that he JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PLOT. I HOPE HE GOES ON UNTIL THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!! I LOVED DIANA AND WANT THE REAL TRUTH TO COME OUT.

WHAT DOES MR. AL FAYED HAVE TO FEAR ABOUT THE DEATHS- HE WANTS THE TRUTH INTO THE DEATHS.
Don't worry, ...I think the same than you. Nowadays people has fear of serious researchs. It's pretty common to complain about "conspirative minds" and call in such a way the persons who doesn't buy all the official versions of the things...specially when something seems not to "smell" too well in a matter. People today is angry toward the ones who saids: "Hmmm...Beware...They are trying to fool us..." Happily, there will be always persons who doesn't buy all that authorities said to them, for if not, it's possibly that we'll still believe that Nero REALLY burned Rome (historians doesn't know who really did it, but they are almost 99% sure that the Emperor didn't do it...), that Marie-Antoinette REALLY said: "If they have no breads they could eat the crumbs", or that Scotalnd Yard didn't have any proof to said who Jack the Ripper was (an affair recently discovered).

Wanting to know more about an issue is not having a conspirative mind, but simply wishing to go to the bottom of the problem. Mr. Al-Fayed is doing excellently. He must to know...at least, he'd lost a son in the "accident"...I'm really suprised when people today seems to be scared for knowing the truth behind the things. It's like they are saying "Oh, no...Don't make me thing we are in bad hands. Let me believe that we are in the better of the possible best worlds..." . Something, when I read some post I think to be reading a hide thought: "Oh, no! I don't want to know what really happened!"

Other common thought about Lady Diana's death is that the ones that don't believe in the "accident" version are dreamers who wouldn't accept that she died being so beatiful and having found her true love. I have my answers to this: the persons who doesn't believe in the accident versions are generally NOT Lady Di devote fans, and the fact she was beatiful, glamourous, etc, etc doesn't mean that she couldn't have been murdered...And if she have been ugly or untidy, the facts that happened this very night would have been exactky the same. I should have doubted about the real causes of her death all the same...And we don't know if Dodi al -Fayed was or not her true love. It seemed to have been so, but who knows? Lady Di was a very difficult woman, and Dodi was a playboy, so..

Other little thing. Before modern PC, when people wrote in capital letters, it would mean that they were remarking a word, or a sentence. You may find this in books. Some time ago, I read very surprised in several internet sites that when you writes in capital letters, you are shouting...Many people who writes in capital letters are not even thinking in shouting or being harsh. So when I write in them in my post, be sure I'm not shouting but making more evident my words.

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Wanting to know more about an issue is not having a conspirative mind, but simply wishing to go to the bottom of the problem. Mr. Al-Fayed is doing excellently. He must to know...at least, he'd lost a son in the "accident"...I'm really suprised when people today seems to be scared for knowing the truth behind the things. It's like they are saying "Oh, no...Don't make me thing we are in bad hands. Let me believe that we are in the better of the possible best worlds..." . Something, when I read some post I think to be reading a hide thought: "Oh, no! I don't want to know what really happened!"


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Not believing in the conspiracy theories or Mohammed Al Fayed's claims is not being scared of knowing the truth. It's merely a different way of thinking and looking at the situation.
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Old 12-16-2006, 01:38 AM
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it might prove that it was those who wanted dodi fayed dead and they were listening in on his private security arrangements. they had good reason why they would want him dead if it were associated with some arms sales. you should remember that you are working with the intelligence agencies of how many countries who all had something to lose if there were any information legitmately released. france, england, the u.s., and what country dodi fayed sold those guns to and where he was from.

if this were a professional hit done by another government, then they couldn't release the real information. these people might be investigated for something else and can't be revealed yet as princess diana's murderer.

But as they changed their minds so late in the day - remember they had booked into one restaurant for dinner and on the way there decided there were too many paps about so went to the Ritz - how could people actually set up an assassination attempt on that particular evening? I would love someone to explain how they could do it that evening when from all reports they kept changing their minds about where they were going.

The same questions need to be answered by those people who say it wasn't an accident when talking about being sure that they would even go into the Alma Tunnel - considereing there were at least two exits from the road before the Alma tunnel exit that would have been quicker routes to the apartment. Again how did the people who allegedly killed them know which exit they were going to take?


Finally - how could they be sure that anyone in the car would die? They couldn't and that is a fact that can't be ignored - there is no way that anyone could have been sure that anyone would even be injured, let alone die. Look at the damage to cars in which people die and in which they walk away and you will see what I mean.


Finally, how did anyone, attempting an assassination on this evening know for sure that Diana and Dodi wouldn't wear their seatbelts? All reports have indicated that had they worn their seatbelts they would probably have lived.


It is the problems with knowing things like this that point to an accident.


Please actually explain how these things could have been done - in other words answer my questions to attempt to convince me that it wasn't an accident.

Those of you who maintain it was a conspiracy don't seem to want to answer the questions that those of us who believe it was an accident have about it being an assassination - namely to means of pulling it off on the night of 31st August 1997 in the Alma Tunnel in Paris France.

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what i don't understand is how the ambulance driver can take almost 2 hours to go 4 miles and not be questioned as someone who might have meant harm by his negligence. in reality, think for yourself, how could this be possible?
As for the ambulance - the French have explained that - they have a different procedure in cases like this about moving quickly to the hospital than do Americans, Brits and even us Aussies. They have said that they had to stop a couple of times to stabilise her.

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there are too many strange things that happened all at once to say there was no foul play. there were even witnesses saying tony blair had people take over the communications for that area long enough to block phone calls and turn the security cameras off.

Please provide links of credible witnesses to these allegations

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common sense would tell you a 2 hour ambulance ride, no cameras that were suddenly turned off just before she drove into the tunnel,
again credible links please

especially explaining how anyone knew what route they were taking as they didn't take the most direct route home

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and no available communications because they were turned off has no other chance in reality other than to be called reasons for her death and a way to commit the murders.
again credible links please especially as they would have needed to be able to intercept communications between various Al FAyed employees in order to have ideas about any of what was to happen that evening and remembering that the Al Fayed himself told them to stay at the Ritz.

the final instructions were given verbally as no one has admitted making phone calls to anyone involved in the final decisions about the route after Henri Paul was summoned to drive on of the three cars








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Please actually explain how these things could have been done - in other words answer my questions to attempt to convince me that it wasn't an accident.

Those of you who maintain it was a conspiracy don't seem to want to answer the questions that those of us who believe it was an accident have about it being an assassination - namely to means of pulling it off on the night of 31st August 1997 in the Alma Tunnel in Paris France.


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what i don't understand is how the ambulance driver can take almost 2 hours to go 4 miles and not be questioned as someone who might have meant harm by his negligence. in reality, think for yourself, how could this be possible?

As for the ambulance - the French have explained that - they have a different procedure in cases like this about moving quickly to the hospital than do Americans, Brits and even us Aussies. They have said that they had to stop a couple of times to stabilise her.


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there are too many strange things that happened all at once to say there was no foul play. there were even witnesses saying tony blair had people take over the communications for that area long enough to block phone calls and turn the security cameras off.


Please provide links of credible witnesses to these allegations


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common sense would tell you a 2 hour ambulance ride, no cameras that were suddenly turned off just before she drove into the tunnel,

again credible links please

especially explaining how anyone knew what route they were taking as they didn't take the most direct route home


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and no available communications because they were turned off has no other chance in reality other than to be called reasons for her death and a way to commit the murders.

again credible links please especially as they would have needed to be able to intercept communications between various Al FAyed employees in order to have ideas about any of what was to happen that evening and remembering that the Al Fayed himself told them to stay at the Ritz.

the final instructions were given verbally as no one has admitted making phone calls to anyone involved in the final decisions about the route after Henri Paul was summoned to drive on of the three cars.

for one thing the car could have have been tampered with. it is very popular in europe to stage car accidents by making the car work from remote control.

http://www.princess-diana.com/diana/...rchive=&ucat=7

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...&contentid=527

http://www.popularq.com/articles/Roy...een-sabotaged/

http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_n...assination.htm

http://www.cremationofcare.com/the_n...assination.htm

there is also a book out saying president clinton had it done because of the bill they were about to sign. he was the last holdout on the paper that would remove old landmines that had been abandoned. one week before clinton was going to put his signature on it, she gets killed in a car accident. she also said in another statment, which i will find, that a uk politician threatened her life for pursuing the land mine ban, and it was not long before the accident.

don't forget the theories that she may be alive. there is no proof, but how else could france botch up an investigation of this sort. they removed all the evidence from the tunnel way too soon, which is strickly outlawed by their country to do, they partially embalmed her, which is also strickly prohibited regardless of who demands it, the driver of the white fiat was found shot and burned to death in his car, one of the people handling the blood samples also was found dead,ex-m16 agent tomlinson swore he had documents saying she was ordered to be killed, and many other stories if you care to look.

you are trying to see this woman as an every day person who had no enemies, no spys following her, and believing what is easy to believe given to you by the press. they are getting their information from propaganda. if all these agents were around her all the time, then there was a reason to believe she or dodi must have been in terrible danger either by someone else or by them themselves. i believe it is totally unrealistic to believe this could have been an accident.

the car accident could have been just made as a threat, and not meant to kill, but of course if anyone died in the crash all the better to whom it was from. the man in the crash that lost his memory was reported to have been threatened into not remembering by an agent standing over the top of him with a lethal injection until he agreed to it.

you can't believe anything you are reading. the m16s and other agents have total control of the media in any of their involvement, and you will never be given the real results of any tests. they have more than enough information to attempt to prosecute someone now, but it could probably be her own family even. her sister's husband was in town just before the accident and he was not a trusted friend of hers. there were tons of leads as to who, but they are hush hush to white wash the opinions of those who want to use her as a marter, and would rather see her murder go unjustified, so they can go on with their pretty remembrances and pitty stories. they are just tired of hearing about her and throwing the costs of the investigation up in the taxpayer face to push to an end of something that would probably implicate most of the secret agents in europe. princess diana also had a friend who worked for the m16s named rosa mochton and rosa's brother also worked for m16s. it's a spy vs spy type of problem. she was not an ordinary woman and these types of people were a part of her everyday life along with death threats of every kind.

a few of those websites i gave you have almost all the information you wanted proof of.
good luck because you are in for a lot of reading.
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Old 12-16-2006, 04:51 AM
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what i don't understand is how the ambulance driver can take almost 2 hours to go 4 miles and not be questioned as someone who might have meant harm by his negligence. in reality, think for yourself, how could this be possible?
blackdaisies, I think you need to have a look at the Report if you want answers to your questions. The ambulance did NOT take two hours to go 4 miles.

Here is the time line (refer to pages 512, 513, 514 and 526 of the Report):

12.23am: the Mercedes crashes;
12.24am: a passing medical specialist stops and is the first to assess the scene;
12.30am: police arrive;
12.32am: police trained in medical emergencies arrive;
12.40am: ambulance with specialist arrives; the specialist takes control;
1.00am: Diana is 'extracted' from the Mercedes and during the process goes into cardiac arrest, ie her heart stops beating;
1.18am: With her heart now beating Diana's condition is stabilised enough to allow removal to the ambulance for further emergency attention;
1.41am: the specialist gives the go-ahead for the ambulance to leave when Diana's blood pressure has increased to the point where it is safe to move;
2.00am: Ambulance stops when the drop in Diana's blood pressure indicates imminent cardiac arrest;
2.06am: ambulance arrives at the hospital. Diana is unconscious and is receiving mechanical ventilation.

Note: the ambulance left the crash scene at 1.41am and arrived at St Salpêtrière Hospital at 2.06am, which is 25 minutes and not two hours.

For almost the next two hours various emergency procedures take place, most too unpleasant to detail here.

4.00am: Diana is pronounced dead by the medical team.

For those who are interested in the details of the above, it's all in Chapter 8 of the Report.
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12.23am: the Mercedes crashes;
12.24am: a passing medical specialist stops and is the first to assess the scene;
12.30am: police arrive;
12.32am: police trained in medical emergencies arrive;
12.40am: ambulance with specialist arrives; the specialist takes control;
1.00am: Diana is 'extracted' from the Mercedes and during the process goes into cardiac arrest, ie her heart stops beating;
1.18am: With her heart now beating Diana's condition is stabilised enough to allow removal to the ambulance for further emergency attention;
1.41am: the specialist gives the go-ahead for the ambulance to leave when Diana's blood pressure has increased to the point where it is safe to move;
2.00am: Ambulance stops when the drop in Diana's blood pressure indicates imminent cardiac arrest;
2.06am: ambulance arrives at the hospital. Diana is unconscious and is receiving mechanical ventilation.

Note: the ambulance left the crash scene at 1.41am and arrived at St Salpêtrière Hospital at 2.06am, which is 25 minutes and not two hours.

For almost the next two hours various emergency procedures take place, most too unpleasant to detail here.

4.00am: Diana is pronounced dead by the medical team.

For those who are interested in the details of the above, it's all in Chapter 8 of the Report.
but look at the time they arrived at the scene and could have removed her from the vehicle at 12:40 a.m.. she was the most obvious victim to remove because she was able to be moved easily while the others had to be cut out.
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for one thing the car could have have been tampered with. it is very popular in europe to stage car accidents by making the car work from remote control.
No, the car wasn't tampered with. It has been inspected by French, British and Mercedes-factory experts. Read the report, all the details are there, in perhaps more detail than you could ever have imagined.
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there is also a book out saying president clinton had it done because of the bill they were about to sign
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don't forget the theories that she may be alive. there is no proof, but how else could france botch up an investigation of this sort. they removed all the evidence from the tunnel way too soon, which is strickly outlawed by their country to do, they partially embalmed her, which is also strickly prohibited regardless of who demands it, the driver of the white fiat was found shot and burned to death in his car, one of the people handling the blood samples also was found dead,ex-m16 agent tomlinson swore he had documents saying she was ordered to be killed, and many other stories if you care to look.
Sorry, all of these are false. I won't even attempt to answer the Bill Clinton allegation, nor the "theories she may be alive", but for the rest:
The French investigation was not "botched";
The crash site was cleared only after all the proper procedures had taken place;
The embalming process was conducted in full accordance with French Law;
The driver of the Fiat Uno is unknown;
Tomlinson did not "swear he had documents". He claimed he had been informed by an unnamed third party that a "plot" existed;
Trevor Rees-Jones has never claimed he was threatened "by an agent standing over the top of him with a lethal injection";
Diana's brother in law was not in Paris at the time.

Again, I would suggest you read the report for yourself before repeating rubbish found on the internet.
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but look at the time they arrived at the scene and could have removed her from the vehicle at 12:40 a.m.. she was the most obvious victim to remove because she was able to be moved easily while the others had to be cut out.
No, Diana was not "able to be moved easily" at all. What happened is rather distressing, but if you want to find out exactly what was involved in removing her from the car, read the Report. Be warned, it's not pretty.
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