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Old 12-14-2006, 07:22 PM
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Typo?

I find it hard to believe that none of the occupants had their seat belts on? I don't go anywhere without mine on.
Do you really think that a report that everyone knew was/is going to be as scrutinised as this one is would have a typo of that magnitude in it, especially on page 2.

Remember that three people in that car definitely weren't wearing their seat belts and many articles I have read query why Rees-Jones was wearing his when, as the bodyguard, it is normal for him not to wear it so that he could do his job properly if necessary - that, in fact for him to wear a seat belt would be him not doing his job properly.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:26 PM
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Trevor Rees Jones says quite clearly in his book that he was not wearing a seat belt that night-that just before the accident, he started to pull the seat belt around him, but did not have the chance to latch it. In fact, that was the last thing he remembered doing.
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According to the official report by Lord Stephens though no one was wearing a seat belt - that is my point.

The article quoted above is in a newpaper just like we have been hearing for the last 9 years but the official report just released, page 2, says that no one was wearing a seat belt.

I want to know why the Stephens report says that 'none of the occupants was wearing a seat belt' and contradicts what has been the view put forward by everyone else for years.

If something as simple as that is wrong in the report what else is??

Maybe Al Fayed is right and Stephens has been blackmailed and this is his way of saying so - make one obvious error and everyone will know the rest of the report is wrong?
I find it puzzling too. That Lord Stephens would make such an error. Three people in that car did not wear a seatbelt and that lead to their demise. But Trevor was wearing one.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:31 PM
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Well, I trust Lord Stephens rather than Sky News. Trevor Rees Jones says he wasnt wearing a seatbelt. Lord Stephens says none of them were wearing a seatbelt. So IMO, thats what happens. No errors were made in this report - Lord S couldnt afford errors.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:35 PM
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http://www1.sky.com/news/OperationPagetReport.pdf Link to official report
Nowhere on page two does it state that Trevor was not wearing his seatbelt, page two is a table of contents.

Did you look at the page numbers or simply scroll down two pages.

The second page of the website simply by scrolling is the table of contents but the page with the little 'Page 2' at the bottom - which I would say is page 2 - clearly makes the statement I have said.

By simply scrolling it would be page 4 but if you look in the window of page numbers at the bottom of the screen it says 2 (4 of 872) - which at the bottom of the page says Page 2 meaning that the page numbers printed on the page don't match the pages when scrolled. The 4 of 872 makes it clear that the first two pages - title page and contents pages don't count in the overall picture and I was referring to page numbers by looking at the words on the page.

To clear it up - it is on the second page of the Introduction.

We will need, I think, to ensure that we all use the same page numbering system during this discussion.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:37 PM
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Do you really think that a report that everyone knew was/is going to be as scrutinised as this one is would have a typo of that magnitude in it, especially on page 2.

Remember that three people in that car definitely weren't wearing their seat belts and many articles I have read query why Rees-Jones was wearing his when, as the bodyguard, it is normal for him not to wear it so that he could do his job properly if necessary - that, in fact for him to wear a seat belt would be him not doing his job properly.
No I don't really think it was a typo. I was joking. I also was just making a statement about how foolish I think people are that don't wear their seat belts. I wasn't saying that I didn't believe they weren't.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:38 PM
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Yeah I just realized my formating was off that is why I deleated my orginal post.

My page numbers might be off but I should be close with all of my posts. (My pdf reader was made in the days of Queen Victoria)
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:43 PM
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No I don't really think it was a typo. I was joking. I also was just making a statement about how foolish I think people are that don't wear their seat belts. I wasn't saying that I didn't believe they weren't.

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I agree - I think not to wear a seatbelt would be the height of stupidity in any circumstances and I ensure that everyone in my cars always has theirs on.

I also think that Lord Stephens view is correct but I thought the point he made was interesting as I had never heard that.

I have also googled 'Trevor Rees Jones seat belt' and only come up with the view that he put his on before the impact. Can someone give me a link to where he says that he didn't put it on?
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:43 PM
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This inquest has supported the evidence that Diana passed as a result of a car accident NOT murder. It was just Diana's time, I believe Diana had completed everything she needed to do. And that she was going to be in a much better and safer place.
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:51 PM
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I also think that Lord Stephens view is correct but I thought the point he made was interesting as I had never heard that.

I have also googled 'Trevor Rees Jones seat belt' and only come up with the view that he put his on before the impact. Can someone give me a link to where he says that he didn't put it on?
Chrissy57 post states where you can find it.

Link (again) to the official report http://www1.sky.com/news/OperationPagetReport.pdf

(the BBC also links to the full report but I can't get that to open)
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Old 12-14-2006, 07:52 PM
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I have also googled 'Trevor Rees Jones seat belt' and only come up with the view that he put his on before the impact. Can someone give me a link to where he says that he didn't put it on?
It was in his book-and I can't find a link to the part of the manuscript, sadly. But, I do remember it almost verbatim, because I went back and read it several times, surprised that the press never picked up on it.

He said that he didn't put his seat belt on, and, when they reached the Alma tunnel, he became alarmed at the combination of the speed and Paul's driving, so, just before the impact, he reached back and pulled the seat belt around his body-but the impact occurred before he could latch it.

He thought that the rumor began that he was wearing his seatbelt because the belt itself was pulled around his body and, in the chaos, people either didn't realize it wasn't latched, or thought it had become unlatched from the force of the impact.

He was quite clear about not having worn it, though.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:00 PM
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Chrissy57 post states where you can find it.

Link (again) to the official report http://www1.sky.com/news/OperationPagetReport.pdf

(the BBC also links to the full report but I can't get that to open)

People here have been saying that they had heard/read that Trevor said he didn't put the seat belt on - I want to find somewhere where it says that as all reports I have read, except for the official report, says that he did.


So far, my reading of the report, I have only reached page 20 but I will get all the way through it over the next couple of months. It is over 800 pages afterall and I intend on reading it in full as I go.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:09 PM
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One very odd part of the report is the part about embalming the bodies. Apparantly, the French embalmer just did it when he heard that Prince Charles's entourage would include British embalmers. He assumed they wanted the body embalmed and just went ahead yet he never seemed to be reprimanded for it. I find that extremely odd.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:23 PM
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People here have been saying that they had heard/read that Trevor said he didn't put the seat belt on - I want to find somewhere where it says that as all reports I have read, except for the official report, says that he did.
My understanding (and after my errorous post I went back and read all of the Trevor Rees Jones and seatbelt references) was that he was trapped in the car, and they need to cut him out. Henri, Dodi and Diana all 'moved' ie not in the orginial postion that you would expect someone in a car. From that point the logical explanation was that Trevor had his seat belt on. His memories state that he though he had put it on. But at one point (and I don't have it open anymore so I can't state page numbers) Trevor told the French investigators that his physcartist warned him about false memories. So if he heard that he was wearing a seat belt then he might started to remember something that didn't happen.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:29 PM
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Henri, Dodi and Diana all 'moved' ie not in the orginial postion that you would expect someone in a car.
Although Diana was not in her original position, Henri Paul and Dodi were.
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About "the other woman".
Daily Mail is not a trusted source, we can onlly use it as a possible information source. The timing for the letter or note about the plot was around later 1995 and not in 1996. If Diana believed that Charles would marry Tiggy and put aside her and Camilla, which seemed to be a very crazy thought and I think her accusation against Tiggy can prove that.
Diana again showed her insecurity about the role she held in her sons's life and Charles's life which led to her to believe her false imagination.
Does anyone believe that Prince Charles would dump Camilla and marry someone else? I cannot image that. Dumping Camilla to save himself will destory his last chance to save his reputation because of dumping the woman he loved for the throne and certainly the idea underestimated the depth of the relationships between Charles and Camilla.
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I saw that coming. It is obvious that Scotland Yard was going to end saying that. I mean who are they going the interrogate and investigate? The Queen?, The Duke of Edinburgh?, The Prince? come on.
Im 100% on Mohammed Al Fayed's side, the truth is being covered up, and probably will always be...
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Old 12-15-2006, 02:32 AM
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I saw that coming. It is obvious that Scotland Yard was going to end saying that. I mean who are they going the interrogate and investigate? The Queen?, The Duke of Edinburgh?, The Prince? come on.
Im 100% on Mohammed Al Fayed's side, the truth is being covered up, and probably will always be...

Please explain how, with all the changes made to plans on the last day, that anyone could plan and execute an assassination.

Please explain how anyone could be sure that someone would die in an accident of that particular type - over a cliff maybe but in a tunnel.

I have seen cars with less damage cause fatalities to all in the car and cars with that sort of damage where people have walked away (my brother did so in just that sort of damage back in the 70s and I saw another similar looking car just a few hours ago and the driver and one passenger simply walked away - unfortunately two passengers were killed).
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Please explain how, with all the changes made to plans on the last day, that anyone could plan and execute an assassination.

Chrissy I fully agree with you. To think it is or was anything more than a very unfortunate accident is ridiculous. It amazes me that is has cost so much time and money to finally announce the obvious conclusion.
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Maybe Al Fayed is right and Stephens has been blackmailed and this is his way of saying so - make one obvious error and everyone will know the rest of the report is wrong?
Chrissy - this is the only way the British investigators could manage the whole Diana debacle on avoiding the impression that anyone is lying of influenced by the establishment.

Look: they published more than 800 pages. In it they look at the case from each imaginable point of view and quote all the witnesses they interviewed. Most statements are O-tone, direct quotes. As each witness has been given a written report of their statement to sign after the interview and has a copy of this statement, there is no way anyone could have tampered with these statements. After each collection of statements there is a resumee explaining the position the investigators towards this investigated aspect of the case.

Now the report is out in the open. Each witness has a chance to read it and see if all their answers have been used. There is enough time to come out into the public if they investigators left out statements that a witness deems important. And anyone reading it can make up his7her own mind if he/she comes to the same conclusions.

Eg the question about the note: so many people say that if Diana really felt threatened, she would have talked to them about it. Or that she didn't act on her alleged fears. The most normal reaction would have been to have the car checked. But all people concerned with servicing Diana's car said that she didn't say anything about it and that the brakes were okay. You cannot lie to the police about such circumstances. There are bills about inspections which detail what kind of work was done. There are internal reports about the way the car was checked, because the service people of course knew about their resonsibility. If anything like that had happened they knew they would be in for trouble! So of course the whole "career" of Diana's cars is documented both by the princess's office and by the service station.

So the conclusion about how Diana actually felt sounds sensible to me. Like the other points as well. So if no one comes forward now and proves that their statement has been omitted or changed, we simply know that what's in the report is the truth. Because it's impossible to manipulate an investigation of that public nature without somebody speaking up.

And that's IMHO why they published this report. So prove once and for all times that Diana's death was an accident. A unfortunate one, but an accident none-the-less. Even though the investigators say that there are questions that will never be completely answered, there is enough circumstancial evidence that these question are not vital for the outcome of the investigation. Because those facts who really point to the basic truth are there, as established facts. Established through crime evidence specialists or through the statements of witnesses who are supporting each other without having known what the others would say when they were interviewed.

I'm only saddened that prince Willaim and prince Harry have to learn so much about their mother they'd probably prefered to not know. Like the real strange people their mother trusted in. Or the whole affair with Hasnat Khan and later Dodi, Diana's obvious paranoia, the way she thought about prince Charles etc. It's IM HO not something the children of a person should need to read, but at least they are grown up now and will have a kind of understanding for Diana's situation.
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