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Old 12-12-2006, 09:03 AM
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You seem to know your fair share about the goings on of cross Atlantic intelligence surveillance, sassie. 'Anything' you wish to share?

Morals? What a repellent notion for those concerned!
I am retired from federal law enforcement in the US-I picked up a few tips along the way.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:02 PM
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She's cost us enough already without us paying for a concert.
That's a rather unkind and unfair assessment. "She" hasn't cost you anything since 1997. Diana can hardly be held responsible because conspiracy theorists refuse to accept the circumstances surrounding her death, and have pushed for this enquiry. Blame them and the relentless media for the money spent, not her.

The woman has been dead for nearly ten years-it's not as if the money spent is for her gratification.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:19 PM
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We don't talk about the investigation, but was logic that a princess die i crash the british justice do an investigation
There was a complete investigation done by the French, that on the evidence, prooved it was an accident, so no it was not logical to have yet another investigation.
Nobody asked the British Taxpayer if they wanted their money put towards an investigation, if they had, I could almost guarantee that 99.9% of them would suddenly have been happy with the French verdict.

I wonder how the French feel about the insult, that their investigation was not to be trusted!
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:44 PM
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In regards to the inquiry...I too think its a waste of money but blaming Diana for the inquiry (since she has been dead since 1997 regardless of any letters, comments she may have made) is a little ridiculous in my mind and I don't have to be a taxpayer to have that opinion.
Not really, if she hadn't made her allegations, then there would probably not have been another inquiry.

We are all entitled to our opinions of course, I just wonder if you would hold the same opinion if they were using your taxes to fund it.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:56 PM
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Not really, if she hadn't made her allegations, then there would probably not have been another inquiry.

We are all entitled to our opinions of course, I just wonder if you would hold the same opinion if they were using your taxes to fund it.
Again, I think the inquiry is a waste of money. And for the record, I hate to see money wasted in general....whether its mine or not
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Old 12-12-2006, 07:24 PM
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Does anyone ever think about the trauma that Diana's fragile state of mind put Charles through?? Also, what damage did she do to William by pouring all of her woes and delusions onto him??
I agree. Diana was a wonderful person but she did have problems that I think greatly affected those around her.

I have to say that al-Fayed is getting on my nerves. I think its been proven enough to show that it was an accident. He needs to accept that.

I also found this article that I didn't see posted anywhere else. Its about a jeweler who confirms that Dodi picked up an engagement ring for Diana the night they died and he wasn't allowed until now to talk about it due to the investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061212...s_061212221621
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:17 PM
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Not really, if she hadn't made her allegations, then there would probably not have been another inquiry.
Well, actually, if Paul Burrell had not made her allegations public, then there would probably not have been another inquiry.

But, then, conspiracy theorists do always find something to hang their theories on.
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:22 PM
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I am retired from federal law enforcement in the US-I picked up a few tips along the way.
Wonderful stuff, sassie
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Old 12-12-2006, 09:48 PM
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But sassie, don't law enforcement officials get these types of leads quite often? If these leads aren't substantiated by hard evidence, I can't imagine that they often lead to ten year investigations by two different countries police forces.

If it had been a similar situation with a different woman with al-Fayed, do you think the investigation would have turned out this way?
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Old 12-13-2006, 12:22 AM
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But sassie, don't law enforcement officials get these types of leads quite often? If these leads aren't substantiated by hard evidence, I can't imagine that they often lead to ten year investigations by two different countries police forces.
Very true. The fact is that Paul Burrell, in publishing the abridged version of Diana's note, forced the hand of the English investigating agency. If it had been kept private, the note would have likely been...well, not disregarded, but, rather, privately considered in context with and outweighed by the findings of the French investigators. As it was, since the note was not substantiated by hard evidence, it was that very fact that needed to be seen to be investigated. The only way to do that was to start from scratch and to do it openly, otherwise the public outcry would continue unabated. I'm sure, on behalf of the Royal Family, there was also the desire to clear any lingering shadow from Charles' name and, by extension, the Queen and Prince Philip's.

After all, if you were publicly accused of conspiracy to commit murder, isn't it within your basic rights to just as publicly disprove the accusation?

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If it had been a similar situation with a different woman with al-Fayed, do you think the investigation would have turned out this way?
No. It was a unique situation. The publication of the abridged note was the catalyst for the continuing investigation in this case. With a different woman, the French investigation would have sufficed.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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As it was, since the note was not substantiated by hard evidence, it was that very fact that needed to be seen to be investigated. The only way to do that was to start from scratch and to do it openly, otherwise the public outcry would continue unabated.
Yes, sassie that makes sense but the implication is disturbing that the majority of the effort seemed like a public relations exercise to show people they were doing all possible when they quite early on knew what the outcome what be.

These types of investigations can really turn the lives of the people involved upside down and to my mind should be pursued only when there is sufficient reason to believe the authorities are going to get something out of the investigation.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:08 AM
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On another note: the US agency accused of spying on Diana has denied it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/dia....ap/index.html
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:47 AM
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Yes, sassie that makes sense but the implication is disturbing that the majority of the effort seemed like a public relations exercise to show people they were doing all possible when they quite early on knew what the outcome what be.

These types of investigations can really turn the lives of the people involved upside down and to my mind should be pursued only when there is sufficient reason to believe the authorities are going to get something out of the investigation.
I absolutely agree, and I think the whole thing has become a too costly fiasco. The French investigators did a thorough job, and it should have been sufficient.

If nothing else, even as a public relations ploy, there is some degree of closure now. The conspiracy theories will not end-they never do-but, at least, the Queen and the government can now say that they went the distance to put the allegations to rest.

It's too bad that Paul Burrell can't be held responsible for the some of the money spent on the British inquiry.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:52 AM
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On another note: the US agency accused of spying on Diana has denied it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/dia....ap/index.html
Interesting, considering that it was the CIA who was accused of tapping Diana's phone line, not the NSA.
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:17 PM
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Interesting, considering that it was the CIA who was accused of tapping Diana's phone line, not the NSA.
Ah good point. So what you're saying is the denial is meaningless.
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Princess Diana's sons briefed on the probe into her death: news reports

Princes William and Harry have been briefed on the conclusions of a British probe into the 1997 death of their mother Diana, Princess of Wales, news media reported Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061213...a_061213192552

Video released of Dodi getting 'Diana's ring' hours before crash

An exclusive jeweller released a video which it said showed Dodi Al-Fayed picking up an engagement ring for Diana, Princess of Wales, just hours before both died in their 1997 Paris car crash.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061213...s_061213185659

You have to laugh when you read this 'advertisement'.

"making the images available after receiving authorisation from Mohamed Al-Fayed" - "The washed-out, black-and-white video, which was timestamped August 30, 1997, showed a man resembling Dodi Al-Fayed" - He could not confirm that the ring was for Diana.
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Old 12-13-2006, 05:37 PM
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I once had a boyfriend who resembled Johnny Depp but I ditched him because the endless film premieres wore me out.

Honestly! I mean, what they're really saying is - if you've got glaucoma, it's Dodi Al-Fayed but if you aren't Mr Magoo, it's not. God there are some crazies in this world.
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Old 12-13-2006, 05:51 PM
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I once had a boyfriend who resembled Johnny Depp but I ditched him because the endless film premieres wore me out.

Honestly! I mean, what they're really saying is - if you've got glaucoma, it's Dodi Al-Fayed but if you aren't Mr Magoo, it's not. God there are some crazies in this world.


And one of them owns Harrod's.
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Old 12-13-2006, 06:46 PM
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Having read the report on Diana's death, due to be published tomorrow, ITV have reported on William and Harry's anger with the paparazzi, who it is said were too busy taking photo's, to call for or offer help to the dying woman! Their concern that the last thing she ever saw was the flash from the cameras!
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Old 12-13-2006, 08:52 PM
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Having read the report on Diana's death, due to be published tomorrow, ITV have reported on William and Harry's anger with the paparazzi, who it is said were too busy taking photo's, to call for or offer help to the dying woman! Their concern that the last thing she ever saw was the flash from the cameras!

I wonder what they think about Al Fayed now saying that Lord Stephens report is a cover up and that the evidence is overwhelmingly in support of his conclusion of a murder - what that evidence is I don't know as everything I have read points to an accident but...

Didn't Al Fayed say some time ago that he believed that Lord Stephens would reach the right decision, namely agree with him, or words to that effect. Now that the Stephens report is allegedly going to support the French investigation Al Fayed is against this report as well.

I am sure that William and Harry would like him to shut up and let their mother rest in peace and accept that two investigations, taking over four years in total and costing millions of Pounds and Euros have reached the same conclusions.

Sure, I realise that he lost his son in the accident but more and more I am convinced that neither Dodi nor Diana needed to die - if they had used their brains and worn their seatbelts.
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