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Old 12-05-2005, 11:29 AM
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This is a mature discussion to help others understand why some people are not fans of hers and dont like her as much as others. Why would charles focus extra time on a dead women. The truth is revealed and her good work continues. Charles would have to have been seriously depressed to not move on with his life and focus on his now wife and kids. Diana is gone and is fading into history. Her work continues and that is all that matters.
Thanks for this balanced view!
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:32 AM
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I enjoyed reading the other side of the story because a lot of stuff I haven't heard before and this is the side of the story that was never told.
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:51 AM
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I've just deleted a lot of references to other threads and topics that have nothing to do whether one likes Diana or not. As Elspeth already mentioned, references to other contentious threads increases the chance that this one will become contentious and most of us want to avoid that.

Making a post asking moderators to close a thread also increases the chance that this thread will be contentious so please don't make any posts here asking us to close the thread. If you have a concern, please send us a private message.

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Old 12-05-2005, 11:56 AM
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Wow ysbel has got all moderatery. Weird. Is there a pamphlete that comes along with being a moderator.LOL. I admire Diana for her work and being a great mother. I think she did a lot of good but there are reasons I dont like her. She exagerated her story and it is sad that after realizing it was a mistake there are people who still use the morton book and bashir interview against other royals. I would let it go if others did.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:03 PM
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Wow ysbel has got all moderatery. Weird. Is there a pamphlete that comes along with being a moderator.LOL.
No, we just gave her a minor lobotomy...
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No, we just gave her a minor lobotomy...
Haha, funny. That made my day.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:20 PM
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Haha, funny. That made my day.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:22 PM
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haha, becoming a moderator sounds like loads of fun.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:30 PM
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In the last year of her life, by all accounts, the Queen and Diana had a very good relationship, much like with Prince Charles, and things were changing rapidly for the better.
yes, is true, i read some tme 8I don't know if is true) taht cahrles said ''if she is happy i am happy too'' about diana and dodi affair.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:44 PM
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I am not the biggest fan of Diana but I think it is bad to make a thread of why we not like her. She is dead and cant defend herself, so leave her alone in peace.
I agree. It's annoying when people either paint her as a saint or as some evil, calculating manipulative person. Why can't people just accept her for what she was, someone who could be great as a humanitarian, yet also could be crabby, cranky, tired, jet-lagged, annoyed, angry, sad, happy.... just like the rest of us? Diana was just a person. She was not Evil Cruilla d'evil. Nor was she Saint Diana. She was just Diana. People tend to be very understanding of the flaws of Prince Charles, granting him lenience for being selfish at times because of how he was raised. Why can't Diana have the same sort of slack? She was barely a grown woman when she was pushed into royal life. It took her years to "find herself" and figure out what she was about. She made many mistakes along the way.If she sometimes used the press for her public image, for power, it was because she was a single woman up against a very powerful system.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:53 PM
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People tend to be more understanding of the mistakes of the person they most identify with. Some identify more with Diana and some identify more with someone else.
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I think the reason people wont give Diana any slack, and this is why I still take out some of my fustration at Diana, is because some of her fans use her to hurt others. They use the Morton book and Bashir interview to get back at others and try to punish them. I admire Diana for her work and motherhood. She stood up to the old fashioned ways of raising children and did a great job with Charles raising the kids. But, her interviews and books were a huge mistake filled with overexagerations and lies. Diana realized that they were a mistake and moved on. She matured and developed a good relationship with Charles and the Queen. I would like to put Diana to a peacefull rest with her good works continuing but as long as people use one side of Diana to make life harder for the current Royal Family then it will very hard for people to stop disliking Diana. I accept her as a person and always have but it fustrates me when people still use her to be vindicive. She moved on and I would like the rest of the world to move on too.
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:05 PM
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i dont hate Diana

im sure but Diana recalled HM Queen and Queen Mother in the taboilds all the times for more reasons and HM Queen dislike Diana very much.
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I believe the Queen tried to heal and mend her relationship with Diana after the divorce. She obviously saw the good that she could do and the asset she could be to the monarchy especially with the War of the Walses over. Sadly, she died before anything could come of it. Didn't Dianas mother say that, contrary to popular believe, the Queen and Diana got along very well and had a mutual respect for each other.
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:21 PM
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the Queen and Diana got along very well and had a mutual respect for each other.
They most certainly did "PJ", a very deep respect for one another.

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"PJ", I know it is something obvious and something I heard before but I am baffeled. Can you decifer it for me MII.
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Wow I am a idiot, only after reading it ten times did I get the "PJ" is me. I feel stupid.:( :)
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:32 PM
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I think the reason people wont give Diana any slack, and this is why I still take out some of my fustration at Diana, is because some of her fans use her to hurt others. They use the Morton book and Bashir interview to get back at others and try to punish them. I admire Diana for her work and motherhood. She stood up to the old fashioned ways of raising children and did a great job with Charles raising the kids. But, her interviews and books were a huge mistake filled with overexagerations and lies. Diana realized that they were a mistake and moved on. She matured and developed a good relationship with Charles and the Queen. I would like to put Diana to a peacefull rest with her good works continuing but as long as people use one side of Diana to make life harder for the current Royal Family then it will very hard for people to stop disliking Diana. I accept her as a person and always have but it fustrates me when people still use her to be vindicive. She moved on and I would like the rest of the world to move on too.
I don't think everyone who admires Diana is out to get "the other side". It's not so black and white for everyone. I love Charles and Diana equally. For me, they both made terrible mistakes and they were immature and foolish in their own ways for their own reasons. I cut them both a great deal of slack. For Charles, I think his upbringing is the fault for some weaknesses, and for Diana, it was also a traumatic childhood, but she was also at disadvantage because of her age. I think the whole situation is very complicated and very grey. But for the most part, I think a lot of Diana's mistakes were made by a woman who felt pretty powerless in a world of very powerful people.
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I agree with you Casiraghi trio. But, there are still those few who wont give it up. They both had faults due to their childhood. They both moved on and that chapter ended with the divorce. Sadly, Diana wasnt able to continue her new chapter in life and it ended that night in Paris. She is gone in a better place and we should be happy that Charles was able to move on and continue his new chapter. We have to leave the pain in the past. Dwelling on it hampers the future. Look at the good the Royal Family is doing today. They are getting good publicity and there are many young royals to carry on the tourch and be good people and role models. To be good humans.
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I agree with you Casiraghi trio. But, there are still those few who wont give it up. They both had faults due to their childhood. They both moved on and that chapter ended with the divorce. Sadly, Diana wasnt able to continue her new chapter in life and it ended that night in Paris. She is gone in a better place and we should be happy that Charles was able to move on and continue his new chapter. We have to leave the pain in the past. Dwelling on it hampers the future. Look at the good the Royal Family is doing today. They are getting good publicity and there are many young royals to carry on the tourch and be good people and role models. To be good humans.
True. I guess bettina really hit the nail on the head when she said that we should not discuss Diana's faults here because she's not alive to defend herself. So I guess Diana deserves more slack than Charles for not being in a position to defend herself against the criticism. You're right, PJ. Charles is in his new chapter and he has the chance now to prove how he has grown up, evolved, and to make things better for himself, his sons, his new wife and , well, everyone, especially those directly impacted by his work. I'm so glad Charles can finally do something for himself. He spent so long doing things only because they were expected of him. Now he has actually chosen his partner instead of having her chosen for him.
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