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Old 12-04-2005, 02:49 PM
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I think that deep down there was this little frightened child who was craving for acceptance and love and would go to any means to get what she wanted, a shame really, but it doesn't excuse any negative behaviour. I remember reading years ago, before Diana died about a lady in a wheelchair wheeling up to her in the opera and not having any greeting back, and she realized that there were no press around... The truth is that we will never know the whole truth!
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:11 PM
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for me it was more "frustration" with Diana. she could have help for her emotional problems but didn't get it. speaking from personal experience...depression is something that she needn't have lived with but instead she chose to and sought out sympathy in any way she could.
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:47 PM
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Congrats Ysbel!

Okay..I am going to go out on a limb here...but this is the first that I have heard that Diana would only hug, talk to a person if the press was around. If that was the case....why didn't the Press knew every time that she went to visits hospitals, homeless shelters, etc after hours. Again, its sounds like something that cannot be verified.

Now I am not saying that she didn't speak to everyone who spoke to her..but I am not sure everyone who is in the public eye speaks to EVERYONE who ever talks to them. Sometimes, even if you walk down the street..you need a moment to yourself.

Now if you dislike her (cause everyone is entitled to their opinion) cause they way she handled her marriage break up...well thats totally up to you. And I totally agree with you...as much as I admired Diana, I believe she could have handled that better. But I am not her, nor can I imagine what she was feeling..depression or not. Walk a mile in her shoes, and I am sure we all would have had a different reaction to the break up of the marriage.

As I have stated in the past...only two people know what happened in that marriage (one is dead and the other is not speaking).
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Old 12-04-2005, 04:22 PM
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Well, she did think she had healing abilities, so there may have been a good motive for wanting to see the sickest of the children. However, it was certainly going to come across that she was most interested in her image in the press.
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Old 12-04-2005, 04:43 PM
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I thought she was manipulative and vindictive. A bit of a brat. She needed attention and knew how to work the people. She did do a lot of help even if there were alterior motives though. She was a bit of a nut job. She did think she could heal people and that God talked to her. I think she lived in her own imaginary world sometimes. Anyway, if she wastn so keen on getting back at people who "hurt" her and didnt try tactics to get the people on her side I would like her a lot more. She still did a lot of good work though and I admire her for that.
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Old 12-04-2005, 04:50 PM
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Princejonnhy, assuming you never met here, where and when did you get that impression? Was it from watching news footage and reading articles while she was alive, or from the books written since she died?
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Old 12-04-2005, 04:57 PM
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The Bashir interview made me feel like she was trying to manipulate the public. It was obvious that all of it was planned. The make up, eye liner, tilted head. She always tried to portray herself as a miserable women. She is vindictive in that she just couldnt go through a divorce gracefully. She had to make sure to hurt Charles and Camilla. She was always calling the press to make sure they would get a pic of her crying or something. I think she was stuck in a imagenary world since marring. I think she was stuck in the fairytale and when that ended she wanted her and William to take over the monarchy and be these great and glorious leaders. I think the divorce shocked her back to reality. I liked her a lot after the divorce. She was much more stylish and was free to do a lot more work and the press war ended. If she was stronger mentally I think a lot of the drama would have been avoided.
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Old 12-04-2005, 05:02 PM
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I think that, in the longer term, the Bashir interview didn't do her any favours. It generated a lot of sympathy at the time, but it seems as though people increasingly felt they were being manipulated by it. It's a shame things got to the point where she felt the need to do that interview. The very fact that she kept it so secret from even her closest friends meant that she must have had reservations.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:37 PM
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You know, it's really not appropiate to have this thread. I don't see one for disliking any other member of Royalty.
Yes, supposedly, we are welcome to "voice" our opinions in this forum. But to have a thread devoted to bashing, particularly one found under the persons heading is in poor taste.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:43 PM
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You know, it's really not appropiate to have this thread. I don't see one for disliking any other member of Royalty.
Yes, supposedly, we are welcome to "voice" our opinions in this forum. But to have a thread devoted to bashing, particularly one found under the persons heading is in poor taste.
I don't know that voicing one's reasons for disliking a person can be equalled to "bashing". It's not true that people don't discuss their dislike for any other royal here. If you read some of the CP Mary threads, you might be surprised.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:52 PM
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You know, it's really not appropiate to have this thread. I don't see one for disliking any other member of Royalty.
Yes, supposedly, we are welcome to "voice" our opinions in this forum. But to have a thread devoted to bashing, particularly one found under the persons heading is in poor taste.
I think it is entirely appropriate if people can remain civil, which they have. The very fact that there are not threads like this for many others attests to the unique passion Diana inspired in her fans and detractors.
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In fact, the moderators are trying hard to discourage bashing. Since Diana generated strong reactions from people, a thread exploring the reasons for the people who didn't like her is appropriate as long as the participants stay true to the intent of the thread.
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I began losing sympathy for her after the Morton book was published. After reading it, I felt she had fed the author half-truths and it just seemed impossible to me that her life could be so miserable that she tried to commit suicide. I also felt it was unseemly for a princess of the UK and mother of a future king to allow such a gross invasion of privacy by cooperating with the book.

In my opinion, the Morton book was the beginning of Diana's downfall as a member of the royal family. She became addicted to the media spotlight and public adulation without realizing what a double-edged sword that had become. As a princess of the UK, she had a duty to uphold the dignity of the monarchy, not diminish it. If she was unhappy in her marriage, then she should have taken some responsibility for her own behavior, rather than just blaming Charles for everything.

The Panorama interview was obviously contrived and rehearsed, right down to her carefully chosen dark suit and black eyeliner/runny mascara. She was playing a very deadly card and her comments about Charles ascending the throne were appalling to say the least. Divorce was inevitable after that.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:32 PM
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Well one problem with the Morton book is that at first she denied involvement in it but kept such close contact with people who were obviously involved, that everybody assumed she did contribute to it. That turned out to be the right assumption.

That probably got a lot of people wondering what was true and what was not.
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I began losing sympathy for her after the Morton book was published. After reading it, I felt she had fed the author half-truths and it just seemed impossible to me that her life could be so miserable that she tried to commit suicide. I also felt it was unseemly for a princess of the UK and mother of a future king to allow such a gross invasion of privacy by cooperating with the book.
I gather you didn't believe her denials about her involvement in the book?
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Diana said in the Panorama interview that she allowed her friends to talk to Morton and then Morton's publisher last year produced tapes of interviews with her that covered a lot of what was in the book.
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I gather you didn't believe her denials about her involvement in the book?
No, I did not.
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Diana said in the Panorama interview that she allowed her friends to talk to Morton and then Morton's publisher last year produced tapes of interviews with her that covered a lot of what was in the book.
What Diana left out in her interview is that she later regretted the Morton book and felt it had done great damage to her credibility and reputation, which it did.
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Old 12-04-2005, 11:27 PM
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Didn't Morton or his publisher produce manuscripts with notes from Diana?
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Old 12-04-2005, 11:34 PM
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Its sad that, having realised the Morton book was a mistake, she repeated her mistake by doing the Bashir interview. She really needed people around her who she trusted and who could give her good advice. So many people were self-serving in their interactions with her.
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