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Old 04-10-2018, 02:20 PM
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Would that make her cousins (possibly several times removed) with the French kings and Austrian Holy Roman Emperors?
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:30 PM
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Would that make her cousins (possibly several times removed) with the French kings and Austrian Holy Roman Emperors?
Yes, and all the other European royal families who are descendants of Emperor Ferdinand I and King Henri IV including Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein.

If you already haven't, you might want to look at Paul Theroff's website. For example, scroll down the page to see "The Descendants of James I." James I is the ancestor of almost all the European royal families and (through the illegitimate children of Charles II and James II) most of the British nobility.

The Theroff Files

He also has information on other European royal and noble families:

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Thank you for the info! I'll be sure to look it all up.
Also: I found out about Anne of Bohemia, who was married to Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor. Is she related to Diana or the U.K. Royal Family?
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:01 PM
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Thank you for the info! I'll be sure to look it all up.
Also: I found out about Anne of Bohemia, who was married to Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor. Is she related to Diana or the U.K. Royal Family?
Yes, Anne of Bohemia the wife of Emperor Ferdinand I was the mother of Diana's ancestor the Archduchess Johanna.

Anne and Ferdinand were also the parents of Archduchess Maria who married William, Duke of Cleves-Julich-Berg. Maria and William were the ancestors of both Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:45 PM
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Actually, if anyone has any kind of European ancestry and you go back to the time of the Holy Roman Empire and Charlemagne, the chances are very good that you are also related to the same ancestors as Diana, Princess of Wales.

Its more rare to find out that you are not related to Charlemagne than it is to be related to him somehow. We have to remember that there were several epidemics of the plague that wiped out a large percentage of the population all over. It is the survivors that are the ancestors of just about every living human being of European descent.

A lot of Diana's ancestry just may be your own too.
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Old 04-11-2018, 09:04 PM
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Yes, because of pedigree collapse we are all probably descendants of Charlemagne.

https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwic...lemagne-riddle
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Yes, because of pedigree collapse we are all probably descendants of Charlemagne.

https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwic...lemagne-riddle
That works in theory, but in practice, probably not so much. It doesn't really take into account the massive amounts of inter marriage between the royal and noble families over 1000 years. Sure, Charlemagne's descendants probably number in the millions, but no, not everyone or even most people would be direct descendants of him.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:27 PM
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That's not what the experts say.

"If you go back to the time of Charlemagne, forty generations or so, you should get to a generation of a trillion ancestors. That’s about two thousand times more people than existed on Earth when Charlemagne was alive."

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty – Phenomena

The intermarriage between royalty and nobility for 1,000 years could not possibly account for 500 million "missing" ancestors.

See also "You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else" by Dr. Adam Rutherford:

Nefertiti, Confucius, Genghis Khan, and Charlemagne Are Almost Certainly on Your Family Tree
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One thing to remember too and its a big factor is that there was a period in which the plague wiped out quite a bit of the population throughout Europe and Great Britain. The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30–60% of Europe's total population. In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million down to 350–375 million in the 14th century.

Its logical to believe that during that time, it was the upper crust, the nobility and the royal families that were able to isolate and disassociate themselves from the general hoi polloi, have a healthier diet and sanitation measures to be able to survive and procreate down through the years.
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And while medieval men may have restricted their marriage partners to women from the same class, that didn't always apply to their sexual partners. To use a more recent example, Charles II left no legitimate children but through his acknowledged illegitimate children he has thousands of descendants living today.
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Old 05-03-2018, 02:15 PM
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I'm familiar with what the experts say. And understand what they're saying. I just do not agree with the conclusions.

One interesting thing would be to use the dna samples of the 12 million or people that have gotten tested over the past decade or so and see how many of them are actually descended from Charlemagne.

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.
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Old 05-03-2018, 02:21 PM
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I had my DNA tested and I'm 18% British. So, I'm a possible descendant of the same people Diana, Princess of Wales is.

We also have to take into consideration that there is a line of descent in Diana's bloodline that stems from the USA. Diana is the 2nd cousin 1 time removed to Oliver Platt best known for his role currently in the US drama Chicago Med. Not all Diana's ancestry stems from the English aristocracy.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Work-16
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One interesting thing would be to use the dna samples of the 12 million or people that have gotten tested over the past decade or so and see how many of them are actually descended from Charlemagne.
You can be a descendant of Charlemagne and still not have any of his DNA.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...dam-rutherford
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Anyhow...thanks for posting all the interesting lines of Diana over the past month. Cool to see a lot of the lines of descent actually shown .
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James Morgan and Margery Hill - Diana was the 10th cousin of ::

(Don't know if she watched any of these....the score kind of matches her own life, post divorce.)
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