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Old 08-11-2008, 02:31 PM
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"I agree that Stuart blood has never left the royal family"

Elizabeth II descends in the paternal line from James I Stuart through his daughter Elizabeth and granddaughter Sophia.
I totally agree, they are descended from James I, I was curious how Lord of Cowley could say they were descendants of Charles II. That would be really be something new to me.
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:46 PM
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Yes, like Andrew said, she's descended through Charles II's sister Elizabeth, not through Charles himself. At least, not legitimately. Chances are that the Queen Mother's ancestry has some illegitimate Stuart blood but I'm not certain.
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:49 PM
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Just out of curiousity could you tell me how the present royal family is descended from Charles II. Sarah Ferguson, Diana Spencer and Camilla are but I am missing something here, I thought if the Queen was descended from Charles II it would be through her mother.
Can you help out here?
Charles II. only had illegitimate children through his mistresses - so while there is a relationship, it comes from the wrong side of the blanket. While Charles descended from CharlesII.'s aunt Elizabeth Stuart, princess of Scotland and England, mother of the Electress Sophie.
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:03 PM
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Lord of Cowley please come in. You said the royal family is descended from Charles II all I want to know is how you came to that conclusion or if you made a mistake. As far as I know they are not descended from any of Charles IIs mistresses. I know very well how Sophie the Electress of Hanover comes into it, that is not what I am interested in. Any descendants of Charles IIs mistresses have Stuart blood wrong side of the blanket or not. Diana, I believe is descended from more than one of them. Both Louise de Keroualle and Barbara Villiers, but I would have to look that up.
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:38 PM
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Diana descended from several different lines from illegitimate children of Charles II. Henry Fitroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, son of Barbara Villiers Palmer (Countess Castlemaine, Duchess of Cleveland) has two lines of descent to Diana. Charles Lennox son of Louise de Keroualle (also ancestor to Sarah Duchess of York and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall). Lucy Walter's son James Crofts was also an ancestor of Sarah Duchess of York.
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:53 PM
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Thanks GillW that is what I thought. Now I am trying to remember if there are descendants through Nelly Gwynne, her eldest boy died young but there was a second. There were so many mistresses and Charles II was a very benevolent father. In fact the more I read about him the more I like him, he had his faults but he was a kind person and had a wonderful sense of humour.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:36 PM
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For a quick summary you should visit the Wikipedia site for Charles II. The you can look up other links & track down the other information. It lists all Charles II acknowledges offspring. But I don't believe Diana descended from Nell Gwynne's children.
Charles II of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(I'll just throw in the comment on Charles II-
John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester, joined the "Restoration Court". Of Charles, Wilmot wrote:
God bless our good and gracious king,
Whose promise none relies on;
Who never said a foolish thing,
Nor ever did a wise one.
To which Charles is reputed to have replied:
"That is true; for my words are my own, but my actions are those of my ministers.")
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I am reading a book about Harriet Spencer. I have not finished it so I dont know how the realtion is but she is the sister of Georgiana. I also read a book about the duchess of bedford which has Georgiana in it and these are some very intresting women. It was said that these women were rivals being one tory and one wig.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:13 PM
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Diana descended from several different lines from illegitimate children of Charles II. Henry Fitroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, son of Barbara Villiers Palmer (Countess Castlemaine, Duchess of Cleveland) has two lines of descent to Diana.
The book that I read, about King Charles II, mentioned that the Countess Castlemaine was very sexual, beautiful, selfish and headstrong redhead. She used her charms to keep the King's attention from his Queen for a very long time till Charles got tired of her whining.
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:30 AM
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There are individual biographies of the various important mistresses of Charles. For Castlemaine I read a book called "The King's Whore" which was a real revelation, and if you also read ones about "pretty witty Nell" (Gwynne) and Louise de K (never can spell it right!) you get a really good all around picture of how the menage worked.
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I'm looking forward to the movie starring Keira Knightly as Georgiana! I've met the late Duke of Devonshire(he was a guest at a private art exhibit of the Bloomsbury Group here in Dallas at Southern Methodist University in 1984) and the current Duke of Devonshire (he brought the treasures of Chatsworth a small museum neraby) and some local horticulturists developed a "Duchess of Devonshire" rose. Too bad they are a bit scary in their proximity of Hitler (Debo's sisters) and to the Fascist movement. When the current Duke was a guest speaker at a lecture, the audience members were forbidden to ask questions regarding Diana (the inquest was pending) but were encouraged to ask about Prince William as he was then "working" the farms at Chatsworth.
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I'm looking forward to the movie starring Keira Knightly as Georgiana! I've met the late Duke of Devonshire.
How exciting pinkie to meet the Duke. I can not wait to see the movie too!
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:47 PM
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Yes, it was exciting both times to rub elbows with the aristocracy!

Also, Georgiana's famous portrait was used on several invitations to events of the current Duke. Later, the exhibit went to New York City where it was met with much more sophistication, imo. The reason the exhibit was held at such a small venue was because of an introduction of some local people thru Sophie, Countess of Wessex to the late Duke at the wedding festivities of she and Prince Edward. One of her former flatmates who is now a godmother to James is from my hometown.



I believe at the time the current Duke was here another movie was also filming at Chatsworth.
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I heard on TV the other day that Sarah Palin is related to Diana now which tree did she come from. President Roosevelt is old news but Palin is new. Just Curious.
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Sasha3 about presidents try here Worldroots.com

I found an article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...Roosevelt.html

Here you go link to John Strong's descendants http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...t=L&bd=0&color=
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Diana descended from several different lines from illegitimate children of Charles II. Henry Fitroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, son of Barbara Villiers Palmer (Countess Castlemaine, Duchess of Cleveland) has two lines of descent to Diana. Charles Lennox son of Louise de Keroualle (also ancestor to Sarah Duchess of York and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall). Lucy Walter's son James Crofts was also an ancestor of Sarah Duchess of York.
She was also descended from Henrietta an illegitimate daughter of King James II, (brother of Charles II )by Arabella Churchill.
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Daily Express | Express Yourself :: The illegitimate royals

Interesting article about illegitimate royals
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I agree that Stuart blood has never left the royal family. Indeed, the present royal family, as well as Sarah Ferguson, Diana Spencer AND Camilla Parker-Bowles are all descendants of Charles the Second. (The Queen Mother might have been as well, but I'll need to check up on that!) All of the mentioned people are about fifth and sixth cousins.

Oh wow! Sorry for eavesdropping! I just joined & am from an Pacific Island Nation that was ceeded to Queen Victoria and was always interested in learing more of the Royal Family of Great Britian ever since I can remeber.
In your post you mentioned that Camilla Parker Bowles & Sarah Ferguson together with Diana were all descendants of a royal being - Charles II. Do you mean that are also of royal bloods too??
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Sengreal, they would not be not considered to be of royal blood, since they are descendants of a person who was not married to a royal. Camilla, Sarah and Diana are all descendants of children "born on the wrong side of the blanket", to put it politely.

Most of their ancestors would have been given titles but would have been considered noble/aristocratic, versus royal
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Is Diana a Tudor?

Hi all,

I've just signed up and this is my first posting so go easy please. I've traced Diana back to the great Princess Mary Tudor through her paternal grandmothers side, Cynthia Elanor Hamilton. I see there is quite a bit of talk about whether or not Diana is a Stuart via Charles II progeny but I am correct in that she is in fact a legitimate Tudor descendant but mostly down female lines? Does a legitimate Tudor connection top a illegitimate Stuart claim?
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