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Old 07-28-2017, 09:25 AM
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Diana was always in a bad place, she had horrible relationships with various people throughout her life and was known to be vindictive even as a child. That horrible place she was in lasted for a few decades.


This is the type of post I hate. You speak as if you were there part of the family or in the circle of friends
All you know is what you have chosen to know. I could say things about you as I know you as much as you knew Diana.
I think we are supposed to say in my opinion etc and be able to back up our opinion
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:31 PM
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You can hate my post all I want doesn't change that the people who knew Diana during her 36 years talked and discussed her moods, her shutting people out for not doing what she wanted them to do, Diana herself mentioned that she threw her step mother down a flight of stairs; but I guess you need her to preface her own memory with "in my opinion" so it doesn't put a damper on your opinion of her.

Now back to Charles Spencer I have personally not come across any information of him not treating his sister well during her life; the house story IMO isn't a negative for him. But just seeing how he treated Victoria and how he conducts his personal life causes me to feel he is not the nicest person.
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Old 07-29-2017, 04:08 AM
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She didn't "throw her down a flight of steps". She did push her and it was very wrong. but I know you're prejudiced against Diana and I'm nto really going to bother arguing. Of course she did wrong things. She also did a lot of very good things.
yes se did have "horrible relationships " with many people and good relationhips with others. I have horrible relationships with many people.. often becuae they are horrible people.
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:36 AM
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I am not prejudiced against Diana, I am prejudiced against making excuses for her bad behavior and blaming others for it. You said Diana was unreasonable in the last year of her life and I simply pointed out her unreasonable and bad behavior and cruelty towards others was a habit since her childhood.
The other poster implied that somehow my response to you was not personal testament from Diana and those who experienced it but something I made up.

I'd be happy to talk about the good Diana did but I can't stand by when I feel her bad qualities are being excused or ignored.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:54 AM
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Then her good behaviour was alsos "a habit since her childhood", sicne she did charity work as a girl, was helpful and good natured and friendly with staff, at Althorp etc
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William and Harry final goodbye the night before Diana's funeral!

So according to a documentary I saw recently Diana's sons paid there final 'private' farewell beside her coffin at Kensington palace the night before her funeral.

Do you think that's a bit inappropriate given the extent of her injuries since she died in a horrific card accident? Not too mention her body was already deteriorating in Paris since it was in the hospital. A bit unfair for her sons too see her in that physical state and surely they would want to remember her as she was when alive
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:55 PM
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Presumably the coffin was closed? And a last farewell at a coffin is perhaps better than no farewell at all?
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:06 PM
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I don't think so because they paid there respects by her coffin St the chapel royal before going to Kensington palace
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:49 PM
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I don't think so because they paid there respects by her coffin St the chapel royal before going to Kensington palace
It's not traditional in the UK for coffins to be open - at least it never has been in my family or the families of any of my friends and acquaintances.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:19 PM
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Paul Burrell put every single last detail of Diana's coming back to Britain, pre funeral arrangements and the visits to the coffin at the Chapel in St James's Palace by family and friends, into his book. I've just read it again to check. At no time does he say that the coffin was left open and I am absolutely sure that he would have done so if it had been.

Decades ago both my paternal grandparents died at home, of old age. On both occasions, in a very old fashioned custom, they were left with the coffin open in the front room of their house for the first day and evening after their deaths, while extended family and friends visited. Then the coffin was closed. That was in England, and I have never seen that repeated before or since, either in Britain or Australia, and have been to quite a few funerals in my lifetime.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:07 PM
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When my father died, in Australia, I was given the option of seeing him in his coffin. This wasn't a public viewing but a private one. My brother chose not to come with me but that offer was certainly there. We were given the same option with out mother but as we saw her while still in her hospital bed none of us wished to do so.

As far as I am aware the idea of a private viewing, once in their coffin, is very much part of the Australian funeral offerings - but at the funeral directors, not in a private home anymore.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:54 PM
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No close relatives of mine have died in Australia in the past couple of decades bar my very elderly mother in law, just work colleagues, close aquaintances etc, so that might very well be so, iluvbertie.

However, Jamesy's original post spoke of it being perhaps inappropriate that the young Princes' saw their mother's 'deteriorating' face and body while they were mourning beside her coffin as it lay at St James's Chapel. My view is that the coffin was almost certainly closed so that they wouldn't see anything.

I believe Diana was placed in a coffin in Paris that did have a small inlaid glass square so that the face of the dead person could be seen. It's not clear as to whether that small section was viewable by the day before the funeral or not. Perhaps flowers covered it, but I think the lid was on and the whole body wasn't visible.
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:57 AM
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As I recall the body was partially embalmed to prevent it from deteriorariting. I don't believe that the coffin was open, but it was surely up to the boys and their father whether they saw her. THey certainly had the right to go nad pay their respects and say goodbye, before the funeral.
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I will never forget!

It was late and I was just getting ready for bed when my sister called me. She said her friend called her and told her to turn on the news. She said to me to turn on my tv to the news. The first reports coming through here in America were that Diana was in a car accident and only had a broken arm. Two others in her vehicle were seriously injured and one had died at the scene of the crash. My sister Paula and I stayed up all night on the phone watching the news to get reports on Diana when later in the early morning it was announced that Diana had died. We were both in disbelief. You see 2 yrs before Diana's death my only child, my 19 yr old daughter Lynne was killed by a drunk driver and my mind was still fresh with grief. Diana's death hit me like a ton of bricks and just when my grief for my daughter was becoming a bit lighter memories came rushing back in with the news of the loss of Diana. My sister and I didn't get a wink of sleep and we were both glued to the tv to grab any news that Diana was still alive but it wasn't meant to be. My sister had planned a garage sale that day and I planned to help her. Little did I know that she had also planned a surprise Birthday Party for me as my birthday is August 31. No one felt like celebrating and we continued to watch the news as the day went on. My daughter was killed on August 8th and Diana was killed on my birthday, Aug. 31 so as the years go by my husband always plans activities to keep me busy to take my mind off of things. There is no getting over the fact that our daughter was killed August 8th and Princess Diana a woman I highly respected was killed on my Birthday. Both young, both killed by drunk drivers. Somehow the world doesn't seem the same anymore. Diana's children William and Harry are now grown men one with a family of his own the other a world representative of matters that touched their mothers heart when she was alive. Many people are criticizing these young men for going public talking about their grief and how they have lived with it all these years but I say let them talk. They have lived the dark days and are just coming into the light which will make them stronger. Tomorrow, another August 8th comes around and this year we are in town instead of away. I will pop up to the cemetery, leave some balloons and carnations on my daughters grave and celebrate that I had her for 19 yrs. I may play a couple of her favorite songs on a boombox at her grave- I know, quirky but I am sure that's what Lynne would have wanted. Rest assured I won't forget Princess Diana's heaven birthday either. I will celebrate her life too and I will pray that her sons and all those who have been touched by her spirit have fond memories of her and share them with each other.
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Old 08-08-2017, 12:27 PM
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What a beautiful testimony to becoming a mother of an angel and how as the years pass, no matter what, we still hold our loved ones close to us and know that in some ways, they are still very much with us. Its never goodbye but just until we meet again.
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I am sure they do, abbra, and thank you for sharing your heartbreaking story with us. When relatives die at any time it is a grevious blow (especially when they are very young like your beloved daughter) but when it happens near to an important anniversary like a birthday it somehow makes it all worse.

So many people all over the world were shocked and saddened by Diana's death and the fact that it was a drunk driver at the wheel makes it ten times sadder somehow. I loved, admired and respected Diana. The fact is, she is now where there is no more pain, no more hurt. That won't stop her family or strangers like me and you thinking about her on the twentieth anniversary of her death. Thankyou for posting your memories of that day.
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Lovely words Curryong my thoughts too
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Old 08-15-2017, 01:56 AM
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It's customary in my area (Atlantic Canada) to have the coffin open during the visitation for people to view when they pay their respects to the mourners. I heard a story about a man from Scotland, who went to one of these open-coffin visitations, looked at the deceased (embalmed and dressed in a suit) and thought to himself, "All dressed up and no place to go."


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It's not traditional in the UK for coffins to be open - at least it never has been in my family or the families of any of my friends and acquaintances.
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:07 AM
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I'm old enough to remember stories my grandmother told me about a true Irish wake where the body was laid out in the living room and mourners would keep vigil and should the menfolk decided to go off to the local pub for a drink or five, they'd take the dearly departed with them and prop him up at the bar with a stiff drink.

Now how true all this was is anyone's guess but my dear grandmother sure had a twinkle in her eye telling these stories.
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Bodies were laid out in the bedroom or living room and vistiors could go in and see the body and say a prayer. I have never heard of anything like "taking him to the pub"....
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