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I like this reading done by Lady Jane Fellowes.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:03 PM
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What it really all boils down to is one word. Family. At the time of her death, Diana, Princess of Wales was a private citizen and although she had ties through her sons to the British Royal Family, she was no longer a member of that family and the BRF no longer had ties to her except through her sons.

All in all, I think her burial on the island at Althorp was the best move the Spencer family made as by observing the reaction of the people to her death, the outlying cause of her death (paparazzi) and the frenzy of the days following her death, they wanted some modicum of privacy for a very public person. I do think that Charles acted admirably in doing what he could for his sons by showing deep respect for his ex-wife by doing what he could to honor the mother of his boys by escorting her body back to the UK and walking with his sons in the funeral procession. At Balmoral, away from the public eye, Will and Harry were able to have their space to take in, process and come to grips with what perhaps was the most horrific moments of their young lives before having to be gawked at and photographed and such by people all over the world. HM made the right move at this time. She was a grandmother before a Queen. Her family rightly mattered more at that time than the multitudes of people clamoring for her to express what they were all feeling.

I feel that most of the blame for any problems that arose during that time did not point to the Spencers or to the Windsors but to the Prime Minister of the day, Tony Blair, and the media itself. It was his office that coined the phrase "people's princess" and it was the media that jumped on this adding fuel to the fire creating a frenzy where it became next to impossible for either the Spencers or the Windsors to handle this tragedy within their families.
I do agree with much of what you've stated, except that I've always believed that the "grey suits" at BP were the ones who got it wrong. Blair was batting clean up and took advantage.

As I recall, the first "people's princess" reference actually was in Andrew Morton's 1990 book Diana's Diary: An Intimate Portrait of the Princess of Wales.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:11 PM
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As I recall, the first "people's princess" reference actually was in Andrew Morton's 1990 book Diana's Diary: An Intimate Portrait of the Princess of Wales.
IF I'm not mistaken, that what Diana stated that she wanted to be was "Queen of people's hearts". Not exactly sure when that was. Panorama interview maybe?
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:47 PM
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IF I'm not mistaken, that what Diana stated that she wanted to be was "Queen of people's hearts". Not exactly sure when that was. Panorama interview maybe?

I was watching some Youtube program that focused on the background/publication of Diana: Her True Story by Andrew Morton. I had always thought poorly of Morton when he re-released the book after her death. Well, this show clarified that Morton's publishers wanted the book re-released (with additional material? not sure if I remember it all), but that Morton himself opposed it. I had a change of heart about him as I watched the show (for the better). I think this is when I learned about the light-weight book Diana's Diary that he had published in 1990 prior to working with her on Her True Story. I hadn't read the Diary book, so checked it out at the library. It was sort of interesting, considering when it was published...but I remember being shocked when I came across his reference to her as "the people's princess." I had always thought that Blair had created that reference.

Diana did say she wanted to be queen of people's hearts in the Panorama interview.

I highly recommend watching the show about how Her True Story was developed, written and published. It's a well-written, well-produced behind-the-scenes view of the collaboration between Diana and Morton. Good stuff.

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Old 10-28-2016, 12:07 AM
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The person first referred to in Britain as 'the People's Princess' was Queen Mary's mother, the Duchess of Teck. In spite of her size she was very vivacious, philanthropic and unostentatious, and the public absolutely loved her.

By coincidence KW Jackman's biography of this forgotten royal, titled 'Mary, the People's Princess,' was published in 1984 at the height of Di-mania. The book was reviewed in several magazines, newspapers etc and I wouldn't be surprised if it stuck in the minds of Morton and then Blair and others, and they borrowed the phrase for Diana. I can remember it being used long before Diana's death, so it may have been Morton who first resurrected it.
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Night before Dianas funeral

The night before Diana's funeral her body was moved too Kensington palace accompanied by Charles and her 2 sons


https://youtu.be/mRueXVaHnSk

If you could guess what do you think happened that night when they all arrived at Kensington palace? Prior to them going to Kensington palace Charles and his sons visited the chapel royal where there mothers coffin was.
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Old 02-26-2017, 07:41 AM
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I wouldn't dream of speculating
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:28 AM
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If you could guess what do you think happened that night when they all arrived at Kensington palace? Prior to them going to Kensington palace Charles and his sons visited the chapel royal where there mothers coffin was.
the only guess i'm willing to make is that whatever they did they want to remain private
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:34 AM
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Only thing I have heard about that night that I remember is that in Paul Burrell's book "A Royal Duty", he wrote about spending the night when Diana's coffin was at KP in kind of a vigil. He may have mentioned what Charles and the boys did earlier when the coffin was moved there but I don't remember specifics.
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Only thing I have heard about that night that I remember is that in Paul Burrell's book "A Royal Duty", he wrote about spending the night when Diana's coffin was at KP in kind of a vigil. He may have mentioned what Charles and the boys did earlier when the coffin was moved there but I don't remember specifics.
I hope not. that's private. I read in a book that one of the staff went to pay his tribute and when he said that the casket was placed lower than it had been, he was told "that's for the boys, they're waiting till you finish, to say goodbye"..and that made the man cry, when it hit him..
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I would think that, at the time, all measures to totally shield the boys in the private minutes they did have with family and even seeing Diana's coffin for the first time as getting the news of their mother's death was very traumatic to begin with but also, at that time, was intangible. Viewing the coffin for the first time presented the stark physical reality that she was really dead.

I still cannot begin to imagine what those two boys went through at such a young age with losing a beloved parent.
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Well it is something that I certainly would nt want to know about...
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The two brothers were incredibly brave IMO in deciding to follow their mother's coffin with the public eye and TV cameras on them all the time. That's a pretty extraordinary thing to do at just twelve and fifteen. It was so quiet, really. I remember, just every now and again someone wailing Diana's name from the crowd, though for the boys I expect much of it was a blur.
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Harry was very young but I think William was at an age where he could show his love and repsect for his mother by walking with her on her last journey. and Philip is said to have said that if he didn't do it, he would probably regret it later, and that he'd walk iwht him,...

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I Viewing the coffin for the first time presented the stark physical reality that she was really dead.

I still cannot begin to imagine what those two boys went through at such a young age with losing a beloved parent.
I think that they had seen her before that event described I Tina Brown's book but at that day they were waiting to say their last goodbyes before the funeral
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They may not have breathed a sigh of relief, but it is IMO manifestly obvious that they weren't deeply grieved.
Charles was, I tink and of course so were Will and harry but the rest of the RF, had long since written Diana off and just hoped that she would gradually disappear off the public stage and bore the public so much that she would not be in the papers ny more.
They don't "wipe her out of royal history" because she is still very popular and she draws tourists to the royal palaces etc. But I think it is quite obvious that they think she was a dreadful mistake to have had as a princess and wish that she hadn't been Charles' wife.
Yes, the royal family were shocked and saddened over her passing. No matter of the past, she was they're family who passed tragically.
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She wasn't their family.. she was familyto Will and harry, not to the rest of the RF.
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While as it is true that after the divorce, she was no longer legally considered as part of the British Royal Family, as Charles' ex-wife, she still reflected on the family by her actions. in her divorce decree it even stated that:

But the palace said, rather cryptically, that Princess Diana will continue to be "regarded as a member of the royal family" and "will from time to time receive invitations to state and national public occasions" at the invitation "of the sovereign or the Government.

Charles and Diana Agree on Divorce Terms - The New York Times

On a personal level, we have no idea really what the family's reaction was or what they felt or how deeply it was felt as that is a private matter. They weren't exactly giving interviews to Richard Kay or anyone else.
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She wasn't their family.. she was familyto Will and harry, not to the rest of the RF.
She was the former wife and future Queen. She was the mother of the future King and Prince Harry. She was their family and she passed on under very tragic circumstances.

We must understand the the royal family are human beings just like the rest of us. They've been through tragic events before in their family and it's always devastating when family members die. It's a big loss and she left behind two kids. Let's not allow past human mistakes cloud the real feelings of loss within a family.
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On a personal level, we have no idea really what the family's reaction was or what they felt or how deeply it was felt as that is a private matter. They weren't exactly giving interviews to Richard Kay or anyone else.
They didn't have ot. I think it is very obvious. Look at the book by Pamela Hicks a few years ago..
I think they felt sorry in a general way and of course they must have felt forW and harry, but I think that of the adults, it was only Chalres who was really greived
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In my experience everyone experiences and handles grief in different ways and the Windsors are no different. None of us know how they dealt with her sudden death in private. We only saw the public face immediately afterwards and occasionally in later years. I believe it is possible that at times they would have been reminded of happier times with her and that it was not all strife and turmoil.
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