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Old 08-17-2013, 05:31 PM
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From what I read a while back, there was questions still to be answered and evidence that wasn't entered into the official inquest. I just hope everything is investigated.

The timing isn't to most of our liking but the authorities have to do what they have to do. I don't think William & Harry will get involved and will let things play out, if there's anything to play out.

New Diana death info alleges SAS involvement:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...s-involvement/

Dickie Arbiter calls Diana claims 'another red herring'
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...r-red-herring/

Ex-Head of Royal Protection 'mystified' by new info-
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...-announcement/

16 years later, new dark hints in Princess Diana death:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/17/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:49 PM
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Some people will never believe that a young, beautiful now sainted princess could get in a car driven by a man who had had too much to drink and who was driving too fast which resulted in a crash and that because she was not wearing a seat belt she died, like many other mere mortals, as a result of her injuries,
Oh well, I guess it might boost interest in the new Diana movie and it will no doubt sell a few more papers, at least those kind of papers that thrive on scandal and conspiracy theories. Next thing we know Oliver Stone will make his own movie about it all.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:58 PM
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Why would SAS wanted to kill Diana? The Queen is head of the army forces but isn't in charge of them like the us president is. The prime minister and the defense minister control the military that was Tony Blair then.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:00 PM
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Well done to the police for opening another can of worms and going public with there investigations. Just adding fuel to the fire.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:18 PM
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Well done to the police for opening another can of worms and going public with there investigations. Just adding fuel to the fire.
I haven't read all of this yet, but my best guess is that the family went to the press (Sunday People) and showed them certain papers (described in another paper as "a letter" after having contacted army officials. I think issuing a statement was to get something concrete and sensible out in the public domain. Otherwise it just would have been sensational headlines tomorrow and the police on the back foot. At least this way, some people (BRF) have been warned in advance.

One of the worse things IMO is that Mohammed al Fayed was not told ahead of the news breaking. That is awful. You don't have to like him, but to have this suddenly appear without warning is not fair on Dodi's family.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:23 PM
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The people who could have provided her with the proper security didn't know she was there. I'm sure that one call from Diana or someone in her group to the police department would have provided a secure escort for them: "Hello, we have Diana Princess of Wales in our care and would like a police escort tonight, please." She didn't have her own proper protection because she dismissed her official guard after the separation. I think that what was wrong about that night was that it was totally disorganized. It was pure Keystone Cops without any actual police. Dodi kept changing the plans. The two security men who had been with Diana and Dodi--Trevor Rees-Jones and Kez Wingfield--had to deal with the Fayeds. They didn't know how to make the deals with the paparazzi that official royal protection knew how to do: "Okay, we'll let you take some pictures in exchange for leaving the Royal party alone afterwards." Royal protection officers aren't employed by Royals but are answerable to their superiors in the police force. The Fayed body-guards were only responsible to the Fayeds. They weren't even responsible to Diana. There is no way that an assassination plan would work that night because nobody knew from minute to minute what the plans were. I suspect that Diana wasn't wearing a seat-belt because she and Dodi were cuddling. The post-mortem showed that she had been drinking some wine, and so maybe her guard was down more than normal. Dodi was determined to get Diana back to his place that night rather than stay at the Ritz. Even his father suggested they stay at the Ritz. There were bad decisions made that night by Diana, Dodi, and Henri Paul. That's what caused the deaths.

As far as the princes wondering what happened, no one can know what happened in the Mercedes. We'll never know whether Henri Paul was urged to speed up by Dodi, for example. Had he not been going so fast, and he been sober, he'd not have hit the Fiat Uno and gone into that swerve-and-spin.

It was a crazy set of events, which in my view rules out a murder. Assassinations need down-to-the-minute planning, which would have been impossible in the circumstances.




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I don't know, just the fact Diana was there in Paris without the proper security detail. The situation between Diana & Dodi, mohamed al fayed's motives and etc. I just think it was a craezy set of events on reflection.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:27 PM
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^^^Exactly, and to this day numerous people find it difficult to accept that a popular, larger-than-life figure could have died so horribly in a car accident that befalls so many due to drunk driving, not wearing a seatbelt and excessive speeding. No one can believe a legend died in such, if I may say it, an unromantic and banal manner and will believe instead elaborate conspiracies over the obvious reasons.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:35 PM
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Oh goodness - how many weeks and months is this going to get coverage? All the theories will be dragged up again on top of new theories and when that's been done, combinations of old and new theories will be debated!
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:27 PM
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Why would SAS wanted to kill Diana? The Queen is head of the army forces but isn't in charge of them like the us president is. The prime minister and the defense minister control the military that was Tony Blair then.
Not only is there no motive for the SAS to kill Diana, but if they had a motive, they wouldn't have chosen to kill her via automobile while being pursued by photographers.

Dman admits that Diana almost always wore a seatbelt. If she had, she would have walked away from the accident. Therefore, the attempt would have failed. Not only that, Diana was being pursued by photographers. What if they had gotten whatever conspiracy theorists seem to think happened on film? '

It is a known fact that driving at twice the speed limit increases the chances of an accident. It is also a known fact that having a few drinks before driving increases the chances of an accident. Combining speed and drinking really increases the chance of an accident.

It is also a known fact that not wearing a seatbelt increases your chances of serious injury or death if you are in an accident.
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Old 08-17-2013, 08:11 PM
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I myself find it hard to believe anyone would try to murder someone else in full view of the press.
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Old 08-17-2013, 08:19 PM
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if you are interested in current news - Hary's thread has it
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Old 08-17-2013, 08:33 PM
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The people who could have provided her with the proper security didn't know she was there. I'm sure that one call from Diana or someone in her group to the police department would have provided a secure escort for them: "Hello, we have Diana Princess of Wales in our care and would like a police escort tonight, please." She didn't have her own proper protection because she dismissed her official guard after the separation. I think that what was wrong about that night was that it was totally disorganized. It was pure Keystone Cops without any actual police. Dodi kept changing the plans. The two security men who had been with Diana and Dodi--Trevor Rees-Jones and Kez Wingfield--had to deal with the Fayeds. They didn't know how to make the deals with the paparazzi that official royal protection knew how to do: "Okay, we'll let you take some pictures in exchange for leaving the Royal party alone afterwards." Royal protection officers aren't employed by Royals but are answerable to their superiors in the police force. The Fayed body-guards were only responsible to the Fayeds. They weren't even responsible to Diana. There is no way that an assassination plan would work that night because nobody knew from minute to minute what the plans were. I suspect that Diana wasn't wearing a seat-belt because she and Dodi were cuddling. The post-mortem showed that she had been drinking some wine, and so maybe her guard was down more than normal. Dodi was determined to get Diana back to his place that night rather than stay at the Ritz. Even his father suggested they stay at the Ritz. There were bad decisions made that night by Diana, Dodi, and Henri Paul. That's what caused the deaths.

As far as the princes wondering what happened, no one can know what happened in the Mercedes. We'll never know whether Henri Paul was urged to speed up by Dodi, for example. Had he not been going so fast, and he been sober, he'd not have hit the Fiat Uno and gone into that swerve-and-spin.

It was a crazy set of events, which in my view rules out a murder. Assassinations need down-to-the-minute planning, which would have been impossible in the circumstances.
Mermaid1962, can I say you almost made me cry at how beautifully you explained it all. Just honestly this is exactly what I have been trying to say to my friends and family for years whenever they bring it up. Bad decisions just led to an unfortunate and tragic end. Personally I don't get the whole SAS wanted to kill Diana but I do hope we get some sort of explanation about this because if we don't conspiracy theorists will just go on about this claim forever just as they have with all the other ones. The only thing that interests me is to read John Morgan's books. I wanna see is he plain mad in the head or does he bring up anything new that we haven't already heard.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:56 PM
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Some people will never believe that a young, beautiful now sainted princess could get in a car driven by a man who had had too much to drink and who was driving too fast which resulted in a crash and that because she was not wearing a seat belt she died, like many other mere mortals, as a result of her injuries
This is exactly it. Diana lived a big, exciting life, but she died in one of the most prosaic, (and preventable), ways possible. Too much alcohol, too much speed, no seat belts. Bad choices and bad luck - that's all there is to this story.

This new investigation seems like a waste of time and resources for everyone involved. And it seems unnecessarily cruel to Diana's family, especially her sons, to dredge this up yet again.
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:19 PM
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The people who could have provided her with the proper security didn't know she was there. I'm sure that one call from Diana or someone in her group to the police department would have provided a secure escort for them: "Hello, we have Diana Princess of Wales in our care and would like a police escort tonight, please." She didn't have her own proper protection because she dismissed her official guard after the separation. I think that what was wrong about that night was that it was totally disorganized. It was pure Keystone Cops without any actual police. Dodi kept changing the plans. The two security men who had been with Diana and Dodi--Trevor Rees-Jones and Kez Wingfield--had to deal with the Fayeds. They didn't know how to make the deals with the paparazzi that official royal protection knew how to do: "Okay, we'll let you take some pictures in exchange for leaving the Royal party alone afterwards." Royal protection officers aren't employed by Royals but are answerable to their superiors in the police force. The Fayed body-guards were only responsible to the Fayeds. They weren't even responsible to Diana. There is no way that an assassination plan would work that night because nobody knew from minute to minute what the plans were. I suspect that Diana wasn't wearing a seat-belt because she and Dodi were cuddling. The post-mortem showed that she had been drinking some wine, and so maybe her guard was down more than normal. Dodi was determined to get Diana back to his place that night rather than stay at the Ritz. Even his father suggested they stay at the Ritz. There were bad decisions made that night by Diana, Dodi, and Henri Paul. That's what caused the deaths.

As far as the princes wondering what happened, no one can know what happened in the Mercedes. We'll never know whether Henri Paul was urged to speed up by Dodi, for example. Had he not been going so fast, and he been sober, he'd not have hit the Fiat Uno and gone into that swerve-and-spin.

It was a crazy set of events, which in my view rules out a murder. Assassinations need down-to-the-minute planning, which would have been impossible in the circumstances.
Yeah, Diana should've been wearing a seatbelt. I don't know if they were hugging in the backseat with that car going so fast and them being thrown around while speeding. She should've had protection though. It was just a stupid set of events that ended so horribly.
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:20 AM
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Do we kno wut happened with the French court case Al Fayed started in 2011 about British police with holding evidence apparently another letter this one to her lawyer claiming people were planning an accident that would kill her(aka the Lord Mishcon note). Wait I thought they discussed that in the inquest. Oh no wait they mean British police withheld the info from the original french dossier.

Link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nce-death.html
This is the follow up article to the one I posted a few hours ago


What I don't get is this why would someone write a letter claiming to have killed Princess Diana if really no such thing happened. At first I think I read someone here claimed it may have been from Trevor's former in laws but after reading the whole explanation online I don't think it was them.
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:11 AM
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What I don't get is this why would someone write a letter claiming to have killed Princess Diana if really no such thing happened.
There could be a whole lot of explanations for that, but let's just wait what the investigation comes up with before starting a conspiracy theory of our own
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:27 AM
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In the light of the new 'probe', this is worth a look...

http://youtu.be/b4meFC1ee7Q
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Old 08-18-2013, 06:38 AM
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There could be a whole lot of explanations for that, but let's just wait what the investigation comes up with before starting a conspiracy theory of our own
No matter what happens, it will not and cannot bring Diana back. I really hope this doesn't get blown up way out of porportion by the media.
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Old 08-18-2013, 08:07 AM
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I have always found it hard to believe that one of the most exclusive Hotels in the world would employ as Head of their Security a man who would drink to excess on the day he knew his bosses son and the most photographed woman in the world were going to be in town. Surely Henri Paul as head of security knew the risks involved with the paps and wanted/needed a clear head to deal with any demand/situation this high profile couple might ask of him. I don't believe for a minute this man was drunk. Otherwise the Ritz was operating as a Fawlty Towers operation. I just hope that one day we will get to the truth of the matter.
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I still ask myself, why in the world they would get a person like that to drive the car, when they knew he was drinking heavily?
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