Last Hours, Death, Transfer from France, Funeral and Interment

[Mariel]

Diana did not wear her seat belt because she was an emotional thinker and her mind was full of new thoughts. She didn't operate with rational linearity. Probably why she couldn't adjust to Charles, who is a rational linear thinker. Or so it seems to me at the great distance from which I observe them.

If the information comes from relatives of Trevor Rhys-Jones' it is likely to be worth considering just for this reason: Trevor was IN the car which Diana died in. The information should be looked into. It may be too tenuous to prove a case for or against. And then must be dropped. But has to be considered. Too bad, not a good situation for the families, including the Spencers.

 

[cepe]

In their 2007 interview, William & Harry stated that they don't think they will ever know the truth about what really happened that night and they still wonder about it and have questions.

I know the boys probably don't want this stuff to come up again but I do think they privately want answers and I think they deserve to know what really happened that night in Paris. I hope any new info could be of some help.

I thought that the 2007 interview was before the outcome of the 2007/8 Inquest (which used evidence from the Paget Inquiry). In which case we dont know if that statement is still relevant.

Inquest result on 7th April 2008

Verdict from the Inquest (quote from BBC)

At the inquest into their deaths, the jury found the couple had been unlawfully killed and the deaths were the result of "gross negligence" on the part of Mr Paul and the paparazzi.

The paparazzi pursuit, Mr Paul's drink-driving and a lack of seatbelts contributed to the deaths, the jury said.

The inquest lasted more than three months and heard from 250 witnesses.

 

[Dman]

I thought that the 2007 interview was before the outcome of the 2007/8 Inquest (which used evidence from the Paget Inquiry). In which case we dont know if that statement is still relevant.

Inquest result on 7th April 2008

Verdict from the Inquest (quote from BBC)

At the inquest into their deaths, the jury found the couple had been unlawfully killed and the deaths were the result of "gross negligence" on the part of Mr Paul and the paparazzi.

The paparazzi pursuit, Mr Paul's drink-driving and a lack of seatbelts contributed to the deaths, the jury said.

The inquest lasted more than three months and heard from 250 witnesses.

I think despite the inquest, William & Harry and probably both families still have questions about that horrible night. They of course knew about the Inquest and the verdict but I believe the boys when they said that they don't think they will ever know the full truth about those events. I think the samething. I think Dodi's father and even his team did something wrong that night and to cover up their own wrong doing, they pointed fingers to others.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

Oh, good grief.

I was just staring at her face, once again on the cover of People. Now I'm reading this.

Let's face it, it's only a matter of time before she's exhumed.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

I agree, Diana should've worn her seatbelt. She always had a habit of wearing one and used to make sure William & Harry had theirs on when she and Charles took them out and about. Diana also used to wear her seatbelt when she was taken to official engagements as well. On that night in Paris, she didn't have it on for some reason.

That whole night was very fishy to me.

The fact that she usually wore a seatbelt is very strong evidence that it was not a planned assassination. In any case, no real professional would stage an accident with a car that was pursued by another car filled with photographers. Dodi had changed the plans several times that night and virtually no one knew the route they were taking in advance.

There is no mystery about her death: She wasn't wearing a seatbelt and the driver was drunk and driving like an idiot. The only real mystery is how the driver of the Fiat Uno was able to keep control. Thankfully no other car was involved. If Diana and Dodi had lived, they may have been up on criminal charges.

 

[Dman]

Well, Diana did survive the crash for a couple of hours but I think even if she had lived, I don't think she would've been the same. I think her injuries were pretty bad internally.

Although, I would like to see the truth come out. It could be a scary truth and I'm so sure that us humans can handle those very scary truths.

 

[cepe]

Well, Diana did survive the crash for a couple of hours but I think even if she had lived, I don't think she would've been the same. I think her injuries were pretty bad internally.

Although, I would like to see the truth come out. It could be a scary truth and I'm so sure that us humans can handle those very scary truths.

The truth is out there - you just dont agree with IMO

 

[Dman]

The truth is out there - you just dont agree with IMO

Yes, there are some truths out but are they're all out?

 

[GracieGiraffe]

Dman, what truth do you think is out there that we don't know about?

 

[Baroness of Books]

I don't think we need a coven at Althrop to resurrect this poor woman; rumors, rehashed conspiracy theories and "new information" are already succeeding! It was only a matter of time before this subject was brought up again; as someone mentioned upthread, perhaps just in time for some Diana movie publicity?

 

[Dman]

Just the truth about everything surrounding that whole Paris getaway and even that night. Something wasn't right about all of that, IMO.

I think even after the inquest some where saying that some questions and even evidence remained and wasn't entered.

 

[vkrish]

Just went through the DM article's comments page..
And saw..still 1000s of people believe that the "Establishment" has got Diana killed..And they just say that there will never be any evidence for this..
Really dont know what to say about this..
BTW does Scotland Yard announce each and every tip-off they receive day in and day out..

 

[Dman]

I never believed that the "Establishment" had anything to do with Diana's passing. Can only change my mind with actual and factual hard evidence.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

Just the truth about everything surrounding that whole Paris getaway and even that night. Something wasn't right about all of that, IMO.

I think even after the inquest some where saying that some questions and even evidence remained and wasn't entered.

Well, yes, that is the subject, but I was hoping for a little more detail.

What in particular wasn't right about all of it?

 

[Dman]

Well, yes, that is the subject, but I was hoping for a little more detail.

What in particular wasn't right about all of it?

I don't know, just the fact Diana was there in Paris without the proper security detail. The situation between Diana & Dodi, mohamed al fayed's motives and etc. I just think it was a crazy set of events on reflection.

 

[NGalitzine]

Dianas death saga is going to be like JFKs. Every decade or so some new "evidence" will appear, another inquiry will be called for and the result will be the same: drunk driver, high speed, crash, passengers not wearing seat belts, resultant deaths. The conspiracy theorists will go on claiming cover up. It will become a mini industry.

 

[BritishRoyalist]

People's saying that the Royals Murdered Diana is Ridiculous and ludicrous as well one of the most dumbest things said about the death of Diana. The Royal Family is incapable of doing such a thing (this is not the 1600s ) for Obvious Reasons. Some of The members of the Royal Family may not have like some of the things she did or said but they did not hate her, Hate is too harsh of a word some may have have dislike her but I don't think any hated her or dislike her enough to such a thing. Diana and Charles were on good terms when she died, They were becoming friends and were planning a trip when she got back from Paris. Diana exchanged correspondents with Philip after the Separation/Divorce.

Not much is exactly known about Diana relationship with The Queen but I imagine it was like any other typical Mother-In-Law/Daughter-In-Law Relationship especially when there is a Divorce is involve but their relationship was more unique because of who they were and being the most famous women's in the land. I imagine The Queen wasn't happy about everything Diana did or said. How they got along or if they like each other has never been clearly stated and probably never well. I imagine that she like Diana better then Sarah. She has came to accept Camilla and she is close to Sophie.

But anyway back to my point Diana was The Mother of William and Harry and The Royal Family knew that and accepted it, There was nothing they could do about that! By killing Diana they would have been Refusing the Boys a Mother and they would have not done that. They knows how much the Boys loved their mother and how much Diana adored them. They would have also been putting the monarchy in Great Danger and would have been a risky thing to do. They know the boys needed their mother.

None of then are perfect as they ate like the rest of us but they are not evil like some say or want to Believe.

 

[Dman]

People's saying that the Royals Murdered Diana is Ridiculous and ludicrous as well one of the most dumbest things said about the death of Diana. The Royal Family is incapable of doing such a thing (this is not the 1600s ) for Obvious Reasons. Some of The members of the Royal Family may not have like some of the things she did or said but they did not hate her, Hate is too harsh of a word some may have have dislike her but I don't think any hated her or dislike her enough to such a thing. Diana and Charles were on good terms when she died, They were becoming friends and were planning a trip when she got back from Paris. Diana exchanged correspondents with Philip after the Separation/Divorce.

Not much is exactly known about Diana relationship with The Queen but I imagine it was like any other typical Mother-In-Law/Daughter-In-Law Relationship especially when there is a Divorce is involve but their relationship was more unique because of who they were and being the most famous women's in the land. I imagine The Queen wasn't happy about everything Diana did or said. How they got along or if they like each other has never been clearly stated and probably never well. I imagine that she like Diana better then Sarah. She has came to accept Camilla and she is close to Sophie.

But anyway back to my point Diana was The Mother of William and Harry and The Royal Family knew that and accepted it, There was nothing they could do about that! By killing Diana they would have been Refusing the Boys a Mother and they would have not done that. They knows how much the Boys loved their mother and how much Diana adored them. They would have also been putting the monarchy in Great Danger and would have been a risky thing to do. They know the boys needed their mother.

None of then are perfect as they ate like the rest of us but they are not evil like some say or want to Believe.

I think the entire royal family were shocked and saddened just like everyone else over Diana's passing. I think The Queen Mother said that she never thought she would've been going to Diana's funeral but Diana going to hers. It was a very sad and emotional time for the family. They've seen their share of tragedy.

 

[Isabella]

Dianas death saga is going to be like JFKs. Every decade or so some new "evidence" will appear, another inquiry will be called for and the result will be the same: drunk driver, high speed, crash, passengers not wearing seat belts, resultant deaths. The conspiracy theorists will go on claiming cover up. It will become a mini industry.

Hopefully it won't be as intense as all that - JFK was very obviously assassinated, and there are some real questions there, whereas with Diana, I think most people can see that it was just a horrible accident that was a result of a lot of poor judgment. If the police have legitimate evidence to the contrary, then by all means I hope they investigate it, but having it publicly brought forth like this is extremely unfortunate (especially as this is such a happy time with the arrival of Prince George). It just seems like fuel is being added to a fire that isn't really there. I hope that this particular new evidence isn't something that's dragged out for too long.

 

[ghost_night554]

Agreed. That's why it seems strange to me that they released it. Well, no one can accuse them of "cover-up" anyway.

This exactly. But then again does anyone remember back in 2011 when the French court re-opened the case?

ETA: Here's the link

French court reopens Princess Diana's death case: Report - Times Of India

I wonder whatever happened with this. We heard nothing more about it afterwards

 

[Dman]

From what I read a while back, there was questions still to be answered and evidence that wasn't entered into the official inquest. I just hope everything is investigated.

The timing isn't to most of our liking but the authorities have to do what they have to do. I don't think William & Harry will get involved and will let things play out, if there's anything to play out.

New Diana death info alleges SAS involvement:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-08-17/report-new-diana-death-info-alleges-sas-involvement/

Dickie Arbiter calls Diana claims 'another red herring'
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-08-17/dickie-arbiter-calls-diana-claims-another-red-herring/

Ex-Head of Royal Protection 'mystified' by new info-
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-08-17/ex-head-of-royal-protection-mystified-by-announcement/

16 years later, new dark hints in Princess Diana death:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/17/world/europe/england-princess-diana/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[NGalitzine]

Some people will never believe that a young, beautiful now sainted princess could get in a car driven by a man who had had too much to drink and who was driving too fast which resulted in a crash and that because she was not wearing a seat belt she died, like many other mere mortals, as a result of her injuries,
Oh well, I guess it might boost interest in the new Diana movie and it will no doubt sell a few more papers, at least those kind of papers that thrive on scandal and conspiracy theories. Next thing we know Oliver Stone will make his own movie about it all.

 

[Skippyboo]

Why would SAS wanted to kill Diana? The Queen is head of the army forces but isn't in charge of them like the us president is. The prime minister and the defense minister control the military that was Tony Blair then.

 

[royalistbert]

Well done to the police for opening another can of worms and going public with there investigations. Just adding fuel to the fire.

 

[cepe]

Well done to the police for opening another can of worms and going public with there investigations. Just adding fuel to the fire.

I haven't read all of this yet, but my best guess is that the family went to the press (Sunday People) and showed them certain papers (described in another paper as "a letter" after having contacted army officials. I think issuing a statement was to get something concrete and sensible out in the public domain. Otherwise it just would have been sensational headlines tomorrow and the police on the back foot. At least this way, some people (BRF) have been warned in advance.

One of the worse things IMO is that Mohammed al Fayed was not told ahead of the news breaking. That is awful. You don't have to like him, but to have this suddenly appear without warning is not fair on Dodi's family.

 

[Mermaid1962]

The people who could have provided her with the proper security didn't know she was there. I'm sure that one call from Diana or someone in her group to the police department would have provided a secure escort for them: "Hello, we have Diana Princess of Wales in our care and would like a police escort tonight, please." She didn't have her own proper protection because she dismissed her official guard after the separation. I think that what was wrong about that night was that it was totally disorganized. It was pure Keystone Cops without any actual police. Dodi kept changing the plans. The two security men who had been with Diana and Dodi--Trevor Rees-Jones and Kez Wingfield--had to deal with the Fayeds. They didn't know how to make the deals with the paparazzi that official royal protection knew how to do: "Okay, we'll let you take some pictures in exchange for leaving the Royal party alone afterwards." Royal protection officers aren't employed by Royals but are answerable to their superiors in the police force. The Fayed body-guards were only responsible to the Fayeds. They weren't even responsible to Diana. There is no way that an assassination plan would work that night because nobody knew from minute to minute what the plans were. I suspect that Diana wasn't wearing a seat-belt because she and Dodi were cuddling. The post-mortem showed that she had been drinking some wine, and so maybe her guard was down more than normal. Dodi was determined to get Diana back to his place that night rather than stay at the Ritz. Even his father suggested they stay at the Ritz. There were bad decisions made that night by Diana, Dodi, and Henri Paul. That's what caused the deaths.

As far as the princes wondering what happened, no one can know what happened in the Mercedes. We'll never know whether Henri Paul was urged to speed up by Dodi, for example. Had he not been going so fast, and he been sober, he'd not have hit the Fiat Uno and gone into that swerve-and-spin.

It was a crazy set of events, which in my view rules out a murder. Assassinations need down-to-the-minute planning, which would have been impossible in the circumstances.

I don't know, just the fact Diana was there in Paris without the proper security detail. The situation between Diana & Dodi, mohamed al fayed's motives and etc. I just think it was a craezy set of events on reflection.

 

[Baroness of Books]

^^^Exactly, and to this day numerous people find it difficult to accept that a popular, larger-than-life figure could have died so horribly in a car accident that befalls so many due to drunk driving, not wearing a seatbelt and excessive speeding. No one can believe a legend died in such, if I may say it, an unromantic and banal manner and will believe instead elaborate conspiracies over the obvious reasons.

 

[Jacknch]

Oh goodness - how many weeks and months is this going to get coverage? All the theories will be dragged up again on top of new theories and when that's been done, combinations of old and new theories will be debated!

 

[US Royal Watcher]

Why would SAS wanted to kill Diana? The Queen is head of the army forces but isn't in charge of them like the us president is. The prime minister and the defense minister control the military that was Tony Blair then.

Not only is there no motive for the SAS to kill Diana, but if they had a motive, they wouldn't have chosen to kill her via automobile while being pursued by photographers.

Dman admits that Diana almost always wore a seatbelt. If she had, she would have walked away from the accident. Therefore, the attempt would have failed. Not only that, Diana was being pursued by photographers. What if they had gotten whatever conspiracy theorists seem to think happened on film? '

It is a known fact that driving at twice the speed limit increases the chances of an accident. It is also a known fact that having a few drinks before driving increases the chances of an accident. Combining speed and drinking really increases the chance of an accident.

It is also a known fact that not wearing a seatbelt increases your chances of serious injury or death if you are in an accident.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

I myself find it hard to believe anyone would try to murder someone else in full view of the press.