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Old 06-08-2017, 12:22 AM
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As we come up to the anniversary of her death and her legacy is being written about, there seems to be a lot of ...shall I say coincidentally competing?.. news articles coming to the fore about other Royals' distress and unhappiness during that time.

Camilla has been in the papers recently addressing the vilification she went through before and after Diana's death. She's described how she had to hunker down in her house as her children counted the photographers outside, and how awful it all was.

Now, Charles's private letters to Nancy Reagan are just now being made public. In one letter, he describes his marriage to Diana as a Greek Tragedy.

The timing is so suspect.

Even Sarah Ferguson is getting in on the act, bringing up Diana's eating disorder in relation to her own weight problems.

It has been my understanding that Diana's sons want to honor the memory of their mother this year in a variety of different ways. Discussing their grief publicly was a big thing for them, and it really does dovetail nicely with the Heads Together initiative. Having the other family members' memories of 1990's anguish popping up now seems cheesy, like they're competing for the public's sympathy during this anniversary period.

To me, it seems as though a few different royal households are in conflict with each other and muddying each others' messaging.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:31 AM
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As far as I remember, in all the various accounts I've read about Diana taking a tumble down the stairs (intentionally or not), it happened while she was pregnant with William. Most definitely a doctor was called and Diana and baby were pronounced as being just fine and none the worse for wear.

The details of who was there at the time and just how she came about to tumble down those stairs have been reported differently and in different sources.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:31 AM
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I have some memory of having read about this being described by someone. Who? Was the Queen Mother present? There was a trip at the top of the stairs but it wasn't as extreme as Diana represented? Though scary given her condition (pregnant with William). I remember that from some where. Anyone? Maybe I am recalling a rumor rather than a fact. So many of the former.
This came out in 2013. Suggested Charles wasn't even home. That the queen was at the bottom of the stairs when it happrned. Sure makes it sound much less then many lead it on as.

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Old 06-08-2017, 12:56 AM
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As we come up to the anniversary of her death and her legacy is being written about, there seems to be a lot of ...shall I say coincidentally competing?.. news articles coming to the fore about other Royals' distress and unhappiness during that time.

Camilla has been in the papers recently addressing the vilification she went through before and after Diana's death. She's described how she had to hunker down in her house as her children counted the photographers outside, and how awful it all was.

Now, Charles's private letters to Nancy Reagan are just now being made public. In one letter, he describes his marriage to Diana as a Greek Tragedy.

The timing is so suspect.

Even Sarah Ferguson is getting in on the act, bringing up Diana's eating disorder in relation to her own weight problems.

It has been my understanding that Diana's sons want to honor the memory of their mother this year in a variety of different ways. Discussing their grief publicly was a big thing for them, and it really does dovetail nicely with the Heads Together initiative. Having the other family members' memories of 1990's anguish popping up now seems cheesy, like they're competing for the public's sympathy during this anniversary period.

To me, it seems as though a few different royal households are in conflict with each other and muddying each others' messaging.
Yes, it is VERY coincidental, and I agree 100% with your conclusions, Leopoldine.
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:20 AM
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This came out in 2013. Suggested Charles wasn't even home. That the queen was at the bottom of the stairs when it happrned. Sure makes it sound much less then many lead it on as.

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It came out long before 2013. the fall was reported at the time it happened. Diana said it was a semi suicide attempt, in her tapes to Morton in 1991...
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:25 AM
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I think there's no evidence from any independent witness, (member of staff etc) at least no-one who's willing to talk, that this incident happened at all. It may have happened and Diana later blew it up into something big because she was depressed and angry, it may not. We're never likely to know, IMO.
Of course it happened. it was reported in the press at the time it happened. Clearly she had a fall and bumped herself and as she was pregnant, it was scary and might have had consequences.
According to Diana later, however, she said that she had thrown herself down stairs, because Charles wasn't listening ot her, and that she had been aware that she was pregnant, and clealry that meant she didn't care if she killed herself or injured/ended the pregnancy. Pretty nasty or bizarre behaviour If you believe the Diana version. She also stated initially that the queen was there, but later said it was the QM.
if you go by what Diana said, she was either so "out of it" that she deliberately risked her own life and her babys, because she was so depressed. Or she just callously risked the baby's life to get charles' attention.
However I believe the early version, which was IMO the truth, that she fell a few steps, that the queen was there and that Charles far from being indifferent, called a doctor and stayed iwht her all day.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:47 AM
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As far as I know the source for the story was the Morton book (ergo Diana) ...and other books have used that as a source for their own info.

IIRC, the Queen was supposedly witness to the event. Not sure about the Queen Mother.


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Old 06-08-2017, 05:00 PM
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it was the queen. Diana said she landed " at the feet of the queen" who was scared.. but later she got Morton to put it that it was the QM who had been there...
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Old 06-09-2017, 10:36 PM
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Yes, I remember it clearly. I was in college at the time, and I remember it being talked about. Someone made a joke that "maybe Charles pushed her."

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Of course it happened. it was reported in the press at the time it happened. Clearly she had a fall and bumped herself and as she was pregnant, it was scary and might have had consequences.

However I believe the early version, which was IMO the truth, that she fell a few steps, that the queen was there and that Charles far from being indifferent, called a doctor and stayed iwht her all day.
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Old 06-10-2017, 04:47 AM
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God what a thing to say!
Anyway I think that it is clear that there was a fall, it was In the news, so some servant problably tattled and they thought it was best to make some kind of announcement that Di had had a fall and that she and the baby were Ok.. as Di was so mega popular.
Di said to Morton that she landed at the feet of the queen..and she later told Morton to change that to the queen mother.
I don't know if the fall happened perhaps when she and Chalres were arguing about something..
It is posislbe they had a tiff, she was on the stairs and tripped being in an emotional state and fell down a few steps. She was shaken up and Charles called a doctor and he stayed iwht her all day.
However years later, Diana glossed it as her making a dramatic "I'll kill myself if you don't stay home with me,," and his sayng "Oh stop being so dramaitic" and she threw herself down the stairs. I'm sure it didn't happen that way - that Charles didn't care about her, or the baby or that she was wiling to hurt or kill herself or her baby, just to score a point with him..
But in 1991 or so, she was clearly very depressed and angry about the end of her marriage and put out this story as a way of making it seem that Charles was a heartless so and so.. who didn't care about her or their baby.
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Old 06-11-2017, 01:32 AM
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But in 1991 or so, she was clearly very depressed and angry about the end of her marriage and put out this story as a way of making it seem that Charles was a heartless so and so.. who didn't care about her or their baby.
Why do you think that? What evidence is there to think that in 1991 Diana was 'very depressed and angry about the end of her marriage'? Her marriage had ended 6 years (or there-abouts) prior. Why suddenly anger and depression? (I have my own hunches, based on the evidence, as to why Diana did the Morton book, and anger and depression about her marriage ending is not on my list).
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:17 AM
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The title of this thread is 'Has Lady Diana always been appreciated by the BRITISH?'.

This is a little story from 1991. A father (in England) whose adult son was dying of AIDS wrote to Diana and his plea touched her heart. The young man's dying wish was to meet the Princess of Wales. In an effort to fulfil this his father wrote to Diana with little hope of success. Diana then arranged for the son to attend an AIDS hostel run by the Lighthouse Trust, one of her patronages, which she was scheduled to visit. That gesture made his dying wish come true.

Was Diana appreciated by that man and his family? Absolutely!
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:33 AM
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Another story. I work at a community centre near my home. Recently work colleagues and I just mentioned in passing that the 20th anniversary of Diana's death was coming up (in August.) Sitting nearby was a retired policeman called Tony who is Welsh.

He listened to us for a while and then stated that he had been assigned to guard Diana on the Wales's first visit to Melbourne, which I too can remember. (I saw her, among huge crowds, on an evening engagement.)

On the first evening, after a full day, Diana heard Tony's distinctive Welsh accent. She went over to have a chat, and asked whereabouts in Wales he was from. He told her and they talked about his hometown which she remembered from her first tour. She asked his name.

The next morning when she and Charles were getting ready to get into their car, she said, with a cheeky glint in her eye 'Good morning Tony!' The police Inspector next to him couldn't believe it. 'How does she know your name?' and Tony joked 'We were at school together!'

That was a very brief encounter with Diana, and yet this man, over thirty years later can recall every detail of their short conversation and how friendly and beautiful she was. He was British, and yes, he appreciated her!
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:05 AM
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Both are heartwarming stories and thanks for relating them Curryong.

I would imagine that there are thousands and thousands of stories that the British people could relate in remembering Diana. That's where Diana had the most impact I think. One on one with the people that she met over the years.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:29 AM
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Why do you think that? What evidence is there to think that in 1991 Diana was 'very depressed and angry about the end of her marriage'? Her marriage had ended 6 years (or there-abouts) prior. Why suddenly anger and depression? (I have my own hunches, based on the evidence, as to why Diana did the Morton book, and anger and depression about her marriage ending is not on my list).
yes well this has gone off topic, and I thought that it was very obvious that I had said 1991 or so because that was when she did the Morton book.
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Indeed the discussion has gone way off topic from it's original purpose, which is to discuss how the British public saw Diana before and how they see her now. Let's get back on topic please.
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Old 06-11-2017, 07:53 AM
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Its very hard to say, isn't it? Because the public is hardly a monolith. ALl one can say is that she was very very popular as a royal wife, and only began to lose that MASSIVE popularity a few years before her death.
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