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Old 04-04-2015, 07:29 PM
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I have to say that though I think he is a rogue and did not treat his sister well, I think he has a certain charm and I do think he speaks beautifully.
Give an example. How did he 'not treat his sister well'?
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:34 PM
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Aside from the rather messy details of his personal life the 9th Earl is a wonderful and skilled writer. I have read several of his books. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of not only his own Spencer-Churchill family, but of English history in general. I've also watched him conduct tours of Althorp. No detail of the impressive history behind the family seat ever escapes him. He is charming and scholarly at once.

And his children are straight out of central casting...gorgeous.


ETA: I hated the funeral eulogy, I thought it was awful. I am not sure what I found more cringe inducing...the shrill, accusatory "eulogy" or Elton John's
Candle In the Wind song....
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:56 PM
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Aside from the rather messy details of his personal life the 9th Earl is a wonderful and skilled writer. I have read several of his books. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of not only his own Spencer-Churchill family, but of English history in general. I've also watched him conduct tours of Althorp. No detail of the impressive history behind the family seat ever escapes him. He is charming and scholarly at once.

And his children are straight out of central casting...gorgeous.


ETA: I hated the funeral eulogy, I thought it was awful. I am not sure what I found more cringe inducing...the shrill, accusatory "eulogy" or Elton John's
Candle In the Wind song....
Lol, you didn't like 'Candle In the Wind'? Everytime I heard it, I got a lump on my throat. I think Lord Spencer's speech and Elton's song just summed up Diana's tragic death and the sadness that followed.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:03 PM
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Maybe the word is 'hypocrite'.
I think hypocrite was very descriptive for him--at least as he was in 1997--I hope he has evolved since then. A eulogy should celebrate the deceased life and comfort those left behind. His eulogy did neither. It's inappropriate to attack another person at a funeral, especially if there are children involved.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:18 PM
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I think hypocrite was very descriptive for him--at least as he was in 1997--I hope he has evolved since then. A eulogy should celebrate the deceased life and comfort those left behind. His eulogy did neither. It's inappropriate to attack another person at a funeral, especially if there are children involved.
I really don't think Lord Spencer attacked the royals in his speech.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:41 PM
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Lol, you didn't like 'Candle In the Wind'? Everytime I heard it, I got a lump on my throat. I think Lord Spencer's speech and Elton's song just summed up Diana's tragic death and the sadness that followed.

I certainly understood the Earl's grief and anger and raw emotion. But I felt-still feel-that the tone of the eulogy was bombastic and accusatory, not suited to the solemnity of the occasion. The worst thing about it was the possibility that it might have embarrassed his sister's grieving children and put them on the spot.

But nothing, nothing beat the awfulness of that silly dirge "Candle In The Wind". Come on! A song written for and about a loopy drug addled sex symbol movie starlet, adapted for the solemn Requiem for a Princess of Wales?? At Westminster Abbey?? I. Hated. It.

And I know I'm in the minority but I usually am anyway.

I have the entire Funeral Service on DVD. It was a haunting, beautiful liturgy especially the Entrance and Recessional. But the eulogy and Elton John were the definite low points for me.
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I certainly understood the Earl's grief and anger and raw emotion. But I felt-still feel-that the tone of the eulogy was bombastic and accusatory, not suited to the solemnity of the occasion. The worst thing about it was the possibility that it might have embarrassed his sister's grieving children and put them on the spot.

But nothing, nothing beat the awfulness of that silly dirge "Candle In The Wind"! Come on. A song written for and about a loopy drug addled sex symbol movie star, adapted for the solemn Requiem for a Princess of Wales?? At Westminster Abbey?? I. Hated. It.

And I know I'm in the minority but I usually am anyway.

I have the entire Funeral Service on DVD. It was a haunting, beautiful liturgy especially the Entrance and Recessional. But the eulogy and Elton John were the definite low points for me.
I must be in the minority too because I also didn't like the Candle in the Wind song. To be fair, it must have been difficult for Elton John. He had little time to write it and he was grief stricken himself
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So true, he was obviously, visibly shaken. I like Sir Elton and I felt sad for him.
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Old 04-04-2015, 11:01 PM
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I certainly understood the Earl's grief and anger and raw emotion. But I felt-still feel-that the tone of the eulogy was bombastic and accusatory, not suited to the solemnity of the occasion. The worst thing about it was the possibility that it might have embarrassed his sister's grieving children and put them on the spot.

But nothing, nothing beat the awfulness of that silly dirge "Candle In The Wind". Come on! A song written for and about a loopy drug addled sex symbol movie star, adapted for the solemn Requiem for a Princess of Wales?? At Westminster Abbey?? I. Hated. It.

And I know I'm in the minority but I usually am anyway.

I have the entire Funeral Service on DVD. It was a haunting, beautiful liturgy especially the Entrance and Recessional. But the eulogy and Elton John were the definite low points for me.
The entire week of her death was hard for me, and I didn't even know Diana personally. My heart went out to the Spencer's and Windsor's. None of it was easy for them. Raw emotions all around.
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I was shocked and saddened. I "grew up" with Diana and as disappointing as I sometimes found her behavior I was really rooting for her. I miss her presence in the Royal world.

What I was really put off by was the media coverage of the event and the behavior of the people in the street toward QEII. I thought it was bullying and bordering on irrational("Show us you CARE"!!!!) I found it revolting and waaay over the top.
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Quite right. It was what he implied--that Prince Charles and the rest of the Royal Family weren't able to bring up William and Harry properly. He also slammed the loss of her royal title, making the Queen look miserly. It was an aristocratic denunciation of the same Royal Family that the Spencers helped to put on the throne.

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I certainly understood the Earl's grief and anger and raw emotion. But I felt-still feel-that the tone of the eulogy was bombastic and accusatory, not suited to the solemnity of the occasion. The worst thing about it was the possibility that it might have embarrassed his sister's grieving children and put them on the spot.
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Old 04-04-2015, 11:20 PM
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QEII is Lord Spencer's godmother. The Spencers have been close to the Throne for many, many years. Charles's grandfather the 7th Earl was a member of George VI's last shooting party.

I wonder if the queen has anything at all to say to the Earl anymore? It's all very sad.


The Spencers owe their power and prestige to the Glorious Revolution of 1688, same as all the great Whig dynasties. I agree that it was bad form for Charles Spencer to stand in the Abbey and berate his queen, to whom he swore an oath of loyalty as a member of the House of Lords.
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I thought it was telling that William on his wedding day when straight to Sarah and kissed her totally ignoring Earl Spencer leaving Harry to deal with him. It was also Aunt Sarah that W&K brought baby George to see when he was only weeks old.


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QEII is Lord Spencer's godmother. The Spencers have been close to the Throne for many, many years. Charles's grandfather the 7th Earl was a member of George VI's last shooting party.

I wonder if the queen has anything at all to say to the Earl anymore? It's all very sad.


The Spencers owe their power and prestige to the Glorious Revolution of 1688, same as all the great Whig dynasties. I agree that it was bad form for Charles Spencer to stand in the Abbey and berate his queen, to whom he swore an oath of loyalty as a member of the House of Lords.
There's no rift between the Spencer's and Windsor's. I think several years ago Charles met up with Lady Jane fellowes on an official engagement and they met with each a great deal of warmth. I think the Queen and Earl Spencer relationship is fine, they don't met often though. I think the last they say each other was for William and Catherine's wedding.
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I loved Candle in the Wind.
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Give an example. How did he 'not treat his sister well'?
When she requested to live on the Althorpe estate (in a cottage)when she separated from Charles he refused. At least that was published in some magazines and newspapers.
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Yes, I think it was about a year or so before she died. Because both her boys were growing up and William in particular was into country pursuits, Diana felt she wanted a refuge in the country apart from Highgrove and the royal estates, somewhere she could take her sons and they could just relax.

Diana asked her brother for the use of one particular property (can't remember which one now) but Charles was himself at Althorp a fair bit in those days reorganising the estate. I think he had a vision of Althorp being besieged by royal protection officers, police, paps, Fleet St reporters and just the curious tramping about. So he apparently refused, and Diana became upset and annoyed as a result. I think he later offered her some place on the estate that was more secluded but by that time she'd lost interest.
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No it was in 1993. The Garden House.
The year before she died she looked at property in Australia, South Africa, and the West Coast of the USA.
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Any Oz posters interested in Althorp - this is the property being covered in this coming week's episode of "Secrets of the Manor House".

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Any Oz posters interested in Althorp - this is the property being covered in this coming week's episode of "Secrets of the Manor House".

SBS ONE and SBS HD this Saturday 4th July at 7.30pm.
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