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Old 04-26-2011, 04:09 PM
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Frankly, while I understand that many will be thinking of Diana on Friday and wishing that she was alive to see her son marry. I will be doing the same.

I, for one do not need William to prove or show anything that indicates that he misses his mother. I say this in the most respectful way, but who are we ask for affirmation on how much he loves and misses his mother? And will we know it when we see/hear it? Maybe he will have a song played that he knew Diana loved (and those who knew Diana). And as Nico suggested, he whispers to Kate (who might already know it)....my mother loved that song?

While such a gesture will be nice, its important to remember that its William and Catherine's wedding day. Diana wouldn't want the day to be about her.
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:58 PM
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No, Diana, Princess of Wales would probably be the way Queen Elizabeth II was when Prince Charles married, ecstatic. Old video clips showed the Queen very animated before the ceremony.

I will think of Diana, but be happy for the couple. You have to move on.

Being a Diana fan I always felt she got a raw deal from the royals and needed protection and love. That is way I felt she got snub in death with the Spencers on the bride's side. I made peace with the seating arrangement as something cultural and not American etiquette. I have read a few etiquette books.

I am going to Amazon to see if there is a book a royal etiquette.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:49 PM
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At a Catholic wedding (with a full mass, similar in length to the anticipated CoE ceremony on Friday), my late uncle was honored at the end of the service by a special prayer regarding people in heaven, their presence with God and with us, and God's presence with us. I felt as if a spiritual window opened up and my dear uncle could look down and see his daughter at this very happy moment. It was quite moving. The churches I'd been raised him had never done anything like that.

Since none of us knows to what degree the Windsors, Middletons and Spencers were consulted about these plans, it's impossible to say whether there's been a snub. Had Diana remarried (let's say, to Dodi), I have a hard time visualizing Dodi sitting with the Royal Family - these are problems all blended families face. But, it could have been done and they could have laid the footwork for it from the beginning of Diana's own wedding (hypothetically, to Dodi).

Then, where would the rest of the Spencers have sat? If Diana had sat on the groom's side, with the Royal Family, might'nt the Spencers have been on the same side? Gah. I'm so glad I'm not a wedding planner - but if I were, I'd just hope that everyone can see that there's only so many ways to work it out, and that the Spencers are quite happy with their seating arrangements, instead of feeling snubbed.

I am a divorced mom, and I am always happy with whatever the daughters tell me works best for them. It's not always easy for me - but I truly want them to be happy, I don't care where I sit.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:59 PM
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No, Diana, Princess of Wales would probably be the way Queen Elizabeth II was when Prince Charles married, ecstatic...
I understand your thoughts but don't you think William loves, honors and miss his mother everyday? Don't you think if he really thought it was a snub to his mother or her memory he NEVER would have been ok with that seating? I think of everyone involved William and Harry do the most to protect the memory of their mother and honor her
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:44 PM
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I understand your thoughts but don't you think William loves, honors and miss his mother everyday? Don't you think if he really thought it was a snub to his mother or her memory he NEVER would have been ok with that seating? I think of everyone involved William and Harry do the most to protect the memory of their mother and honor her
MRSJ yes they honor her memory, but they have to honor their father too. From what I have read, Prince Charles does not like Earl Spencer. For all the problems the Earl has the day of Princess Diana's funeral he was protective of Diana as a father figure would be. At the time of burial at Althrop the Earl was very rude to Prince Charles. Charles just wanted to get away.

BTW(My family would do the same for me if necessary.) That is what family does.

So we might never know about the seating arrangement of the Spencers.
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:02 PM
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Then, where would the rest of the Spencers have sat? If Diana had sat on the groom's side, with the Royal Family, might'nt the Spencers have been on the same side? Gah. I'm so glad I'm not a wedding planner - but if I were, I'd just hope that everyone can see that there's only so many ways to work it out, and that the Spencers are quite happy with their seating arrangements, instead of feeling snubbed.

I am a divorced mom, and I am always happy with whatever the daughters tell me works best for them. It's not always easy for me - but I truly want them to be happy, I don't care where I sit.
PricessKaimi you are trying to be practical. Go for you. I feel if Diana, Princess of Wales was alive today she would be sitting with Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall and the rest of the Spencers where their going to sit. I just think that Earl Spencer and his sisters should be on the groom's side like Prince William's other aunts and uncles.

My question is how is from the above bolded words. How do you know the Spencers are quite happy with their seating arrangements and not feel snubbed? Princess Diana supposedly said to Prince Philip that the Spencers
family has more royal blood then the Windsors.
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:28 PM
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I think that both William and Kate took everything very much into consideration planning this wedding. As much as they wanted it to be memorable for themselves, I'm sure they also wanted each and everyone close to them to feel a very important part of their day too and would very much have noticed and "nixed" any snub that could possibly be imagined. It was blatantly obvious from the moment of engagement that both William and Kate wanted the memory of Diana to be a big part of their lives and their day, yet people get annoyed as if any mention of her is going to distract from Kate's day. I think they're taking special care to make sure everyone important to them is going to be not only attending the wedding, but feel they have a special role to play in it also. Camilla's family is being involved just as much as the Spencer family is and to me that sounds wonderful. Camilla's granddaughter is in the bridal party and its my understanding that Charles Spencer's son Louis is to be a usher.

Kaimi, I loved your recollection of the wedding remembrance of your uncle as it is beautiful. When my son married last summer, as the bride's father was deceased, her mother walked her up the aisle but before reaching the officiant (it was outdoors and a non-denominational ceremony), they both paused and lit a remembrance candle in his memory. As the ceremony started, it started to rain and all of us quickly had to crowd around the bride and groom under a gazebo as to not get drenched. Funny though, by the time of the recessional, it was sunny again. My DIL swears it was her father there making sure we were all close. Of course, on a humorous note... when asked if he does take this woman etc... my Brian says "hold on".. gets his "posse" in a huddle and debates the issue. It was uniquely them and it made the wedding not only special for them but for all of us attending. I am also a divorced mother and not on overly friendly terms with my ex. The seating was arranged that I sat with my spouse with the mother of the bride and her spouse and my ex on the other side of of the circle with his spouse and his family. It worked well for all of us that way.

This is essentially what I think William and Kate are doing. They are doing things to remember everyone that is near and dear to them. If they didn't incorporate the memory of Diana into their day, I'd think it would be awfully strange and very much out of character for the both of them. They would also be very hurt I think with any suggestion that any family member in any way or form has been snubbed. They've put a lot of time and thought and planning into this day and for one, I think it is going to be not only historic but memorable from however you want to look at it.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:24 PM
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I remember her saying that her title--as a daughter of Earl Spencer--was older than Philip's, who was made Duke of Edinburgh on his wedding day. I can't see how the Windsors could possibly have less Royal blood than the Windsors, given that non-royals didn't marry into the Royal Family until George V gave the o.k. for his children to marry British aristocrats. Whereas the Spencer's Royal connections go back to mistresses of the Stuarts.

I think that Diana will be very well represented at this wedding. For one thing, there'll be William and Harry, who remind us of her with almost every facial expression. Plus there's Kate's sapphire engagement ring, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she gives another nod to Diana incorporated in her dress, other jewelery, or her bouquet. She's honoured Diana already by mentioning her in the engagement interview. I think that if Earl Spencer felt at all "snubbed", he'd have let us know by now. He's not afraid of speaking his mind, particularly where his late sister is involved.

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Old 04-26-2011, 11:37 PM
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...How do you know the Spencers are quite happy with their seating arrangements and not feel snubbed?
I said I hoped that the Spencers will be happy and not feel snubbed. Not that I knew that they were. That's my wish for them.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:39 PM
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Osipi, thank you for that wonderful story. I love the huddle (I can see my daughter's husband attempting something like that - except that they wanted to save money and so they eloped; they are the most frugal, saving-for-a-house couple I've ever seen).

And with that, it seems we are officially very off topic, so I'll stop.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:53 AM
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Osipi, thank you for that wonderful story. I love the huddle (I can see my daughter's husband attempting something like that - except that they wanted to save money and so they eloped; they are the most frugal, saving-for-a-house couple I've ever seen).

And with that, it seems we are officially very off topic, so I'll stop.
Actually I think the both of us with stories were illuminating how a couple can and do things that mean something to them. Its the same with Will and Kate although their wedding is on a much grander scale and every little detail will be noticed. I'm sure that they thought as much about the Spencers as they did about Camilla's granddaughter and just about anyone that is invited to this wedding. I just don't think its in their intention to actually "snub" anyone or make any one of their guests feel less important than another. It just doesn't seem like Will and Kate's style at all IMO.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:08 AM
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I agree, Osipi, that no snub could possibly be intended. The two of them seem to have gone out of their way to be pleasant to everyone. However, some people like to nitpick. I think snubbing is usually in the eye of beholder, anyway.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:12 AM
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Actually I think the both of us with stories were illuminating how a couple can and do things that mean something to them. Its the same with Will and Kate although their wedding is on a much grander scale and every little detail will be noticed. I'm sure that they thought as much about the Spencers as they did about Camilla's granddaughter and just about anyone that is invited to this wedding. I just don't think its in their intention to actually "snub" anyone or make any one of their guests feel less important than another. It just doesn't seem like Will and Kate's style at all IMO.
It is nice to have beautiful wedding stories. I am very happy for you both

It isn't Prince William's style to snub. Prince William is a Windsor first and what the Windsor's want happens at a this royal wedding happens. I think Prince William seating arrangement was influence by his love for Charles and his grandparents who are alive.


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I remember her saying that her title--as a daughter of Earl Spencer--was older than Philip's, who was made Duke of Edinburgh on his wedding day. I can't see how the Windsors could possibly have less Royal blood than the Windsors, given that non-royals didn't marry into the Royal Family until George V gave the o.k. for his children to marry British aristocrats. Whereas the Spencer's Royal connections go back to mistresses of the Stuarts.
I guess Mermaid your memory is better than mine. You are right. The Princess told Prince Philip this when he threaten to take her HRH away I believe.
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:52 PM
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There sure is a resemblence between father's and son's appearance.
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I agree with the commentator. Earl Spencer's speech was an arrogant one indeed. When I heard the speech, I understood that the "your" in "your blood family" referred to Diana. He seemed to be speaking directly to Diana at that point, as though she could hear him.

Who was the last member of the BRF born in Germany? The Prince Consort?

I look at it this way: I'm descended from people from Western Scotland. My ancestors were Gaelic-speaking Celts. However, I'm Canadian in every possible way. I speak with a Canadian accent. My education is Canadian. I have Canadian "values"; i.e. I believe in democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, public funding for health care and education, etc. Yet, my DNA is almost entirely that of a Scot. To me, it's the same with the BRF. They have an ethnic background from all over Europe, but they're British in culture. And in the last century, there's been a lot of British "blood" brought in through marriage.



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The commentator pointed out that the tone of the Earl's speech seemed to suggests that the Windsor were German intruders on the British throne (even though the Queen Mum was very British). His use of the term "your [William and Harry's] blood family" was a like big jab at the Windsors: "Not only did Diana have the British people's hearts but we Spencers have British ancestry that you Windsors lack."
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Posing with arms wrapped around one another at an event in London last night, Earl Spencer and his new fiancée Karen Gordon looked the picture of togetherness.

But for all the intimate looks and hand-holding, those close to the 46-year-old Earl would be forgiven for wondering just how long this particular dalliance might last.
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Read more: Princess Diana's brother Earl Spencer with new fiancée Karen Gordon | Mail Online

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Maybe I am being totally negative, and if I am please forgive me. But somehow I am not sure this last long? Maybe the Earl hasn't met his match?
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Earl Spencer's Girls Diana's Nieces Very Racy Streak

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I've seen the Diana exhibit which has been traveling across the United States. There are family movies taken of the family starting out shortly after Princess Diana was born. When her parents walked out of the church, I noticed that Princess Diana father had a very strong resemblance to her brother. Never really noticed this until I saw the family movies.

Many of those in the British nobility can trace their royal ancestry to women (primarily those who were royal mistresses). Since many of these children later married others who had similiar backgrounds (they often married other nobles rather than royals), it's not really surprising that people like Princess Diana had more royal blood than the royals. The royal blood line was kept in the family by these marriages. I would also bet that this is true in other countries as well.
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It does seem to be true - and even in America, the descendants of nobility at Jamestown tended to marry within their social class, so that both Lady Diana and I are descended from more than one common ancestor and related to several U.S. Presidents (two are my great-great-great-great-grand uncles).
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