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Old 08-06-2017, 04:10 PM
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Maybe the effect is that once again the relationship of Charles and Camilla is discussed but the effect is also that all distance, reverence and serenity around Diana has gone. It is just a sort of Elvis now. Pfff.
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Old 08-06-2017, 04:38 PM
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What I dont understand is that everyone seems to assume that what she says is 100% true.

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Old 08-06-2017, 05:32 PM
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I notice that the Earl asked for them not to be aired but her sons didn't. Says everything about them really. Had they not wanted them aired then they should also have said so publicly but as they didn't they have given tacit approval to what is in these tapes being made public and being dissected.

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What I dont understand is that everyone seems to assume that what she says is 100% true.

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Of course it is 100% true. A beautiful woman like Diana can't lie while someone like Charles can't ever tell the truth.

Yes I am being facetious.

Many years ago I had a discussion with a couple of Diana fans and that was exactly what they said - beautiful women can't lie - I kid you not.

To the Diana fans and the republicans this year is a godsend - and for Charles and his popularity - a disaster I suspect. Having worked hard to restore his reputation over the past 20 years it has been destroyed again by all the tapes, books and interviews.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:45 PM
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What I dont understand is that everyone seems to assume that what she says is 100% true.

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I noticed that as well.

Granted, I haven't read all the articles, but I from what I did read, I find much that is simply unbelievable.

In any case, I think it's a shame to have all this resurface now, when things are being readied for Charles to take over much of the duties of the monarch.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:49 PM
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All I'll say is that no matter what comes out now on tapes, books or whatever from Diana's mouth, it will not change my opinion of Charles one little bit. If anything, the more Diana tried to discredit him, the more of a human being I see in Charles. In my opinion, stuff like this coming out about Diana now 20 years after her death makes her look like she's not playing with a full deck more than it hurts Charles. People who missed all the drama 20 years ago are now being saturated with it and it doesn't do Diana's memory one bit of good.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:54 PM
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Ach... It will not have a to deep impact. Much of it is a re-chewing of old news: "There we go again!" In this 24/24 news consuming era the news goes so fast: whay has been trending topic today is forgotten next week. The impact of the tabloids is decreasing, as we already saw with the unexpected outcome of the General Elections which showed that the tabloids no longer have the initiative.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:57 PM
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Yes. I feel for her. I think she was between a rock and a hard place. For as much as she had in money or status, I don't think she was ever given what she needed to feel stable or loved, by her parents or by the family she married into. I see why she made a lot of the decisions she made and I don't fault her for them the way some do. But boy, some of the common threads you find in the descriptions of her friendships, even when the information is conveyed by people who thought quite highly of her and enjoyed her very much...tell me that she must have been exhausting to be around.
I also think that she was emotionally damage from her family and that the royal family just saw a cute pretty noble girl who was a virgin and that therefore made her a perfect partner for Charles who was at the same time a very insecure person in his own right.....the two together were bound to blow up some time and they did.........yet it is *their private lives* not something that should be seen, heard and viewed by millions of others, put yourself in her shoes, think about it, what would you do if you were Diana? Sure she made mistakes then we all make mistakes in life, IMHO she never really got the help that was needed, the real deep down psychological help that could have helped her.

Diana needed to be shown love, by her family, to be loved, nurtured, cherish and taught to have self confidence and self-esteem, self-worth and that never happened for her, she was more or less left to grow on her own (even nannies are parents) and that is what IHB happened to her.

These tapes are the most disgusting, abominable, despicable and damaging to her sons that I have ever seen anywhere. Whom ever did this I sure hope it comes back to you 100 times over........for this makes you look like a .........can't say it here and won't!
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:19 PM
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Ach... It will not have a to deep impact. Much of it is a re-chewing of old news: "There we go again!" In this 24/24 news consuming era the news goes so fast: whay has been trending topic today is forgotten next week. The impact of the tabloids is decreasing, as we already saw with the unexpected outcome of the General Elections which showed that the tabloids no longer have the initiative.
I heartily agree with this. The best way I've ever seen it expressed was in a cell phone commercial a while back ago. The slogan was "That's so 12 seconds ago". Kinda fits. Tabloids and the printed media are fading into the sunset.

Hopefully, from here on out, the anniversaries of Diana's death will be remembered quietly and in private by those that wish to remember her and let her rest in peace.
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:21 PM
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I've learned about the tapes airing in the U.K. on CNN a few minutes ago. A statement from the speech coach's lawyer basically said he had the right to release the tapes because the coach wasn't an attorney, a priest or a therapist, professions where conversations are privileged. What a guy.

The royal historian on CNN said Twitter is blowing up on this and Charles and Camilla are getting dragged. Any truth to that?
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:26 PM
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:40 PM
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I notice that the Earl asked for them not to be aired but her sons didn't. Says everything about them really. Had they not wanted them aired then they should also have said so publicly but as they didn't they have given tacit approval to what is in these tapes being made public and being dissected.


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The BRF have never commented on TV programmes of this type.

The only time they did (Charles interview following the Diana "I want to be Queen of People's Hearts) it was a catastrophe. Lesson learnt

I think they are correct in saying nothing. I don't think that they have forgotten that in the mess of all this gossip and debate, their father has never said a bad thing about their Mother.

Which is more than can be said about her. And they have to live with that.
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While it was extremely tacky of Charles and Camilla to have had an affair while married to others, as we discovered Diana had multiple affairs herself.
I did read a little about these new tapes- they make her seem unbalanced and vindictive. It said they were taped in 1997 a few months before she died. I could understand lashing out early on but years later?
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:01 PM
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The BRF have never commented on TV programmes of this type.

The only time they did (Charles interview following the Diana "I want to be Queen of People's Hearts) it was a catastrophe. Lesson learnt

I think they are correct in saying nothing. I don't think that they have forgotten that in the mess of all this gossip and debate, their father has never said a bad thing about their Mother.

Which is more than can be said about her. And they have to live with that.
The princes have said they want to control the memory of their mother this year and have done nothing to stop this sort of thing being aired.

They want it out there and they know it will hurt their father.

They could have simply issued a statement that they supported their uncle's call but they did nothing - that is a tacit agreement and also shows how they are in control of what is being reported about their mother. They can't have it both ways - if they truly want to control her memory then they have to stop these sorts of thing or they have take the consequences of the fall-out for not speaking out.

It should also be noted that these tapes were seen in the US years ago and have been on Youtube for years as well. What is happening now is that they are being shown in the UK and the only reason to do that is to hurt Charles.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:13 PM
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The princes have said they want to control the memory of their mother this year and have done nothing to stop this sort of thing being aired.

They want it out there and they know it will hurt their father.

They could have simply issued a statement that they supported their uncle's call but they did nothing - that is a tacit agreement and also shows how they are in control of what is being reported about their mother. They can't have it both ways - if they truly want to control her memory then they have to stop these sorts of thing or they have take the consequences of the fall-out for not speaking out.

It should also be noted that these tapes were seen in the US years ago and have been on Youtube for years as well. What is happening now is that they are being shown in the UK and the only reason to do that is to hurt Charles.
The new tapes are the issue, not the old ones that have been around for years. The new ones are more likely to hurt Diana's image more than they will hurt Charles. Diana apparently says thiings that are irrational and vengeful. I was surprised. I really thought she had come to terms with the divorce but she apparently was scheming.

And how would William and Harry stop anything? Legal ownership of the old tapes has been established by the courts and they don't belong to the Spencer family or anyone in the royal family.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:14 PM
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:16 PM
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The new tapes are the issue, not the old ones that have been around for years. The new ones are more likely to hurt Diana's image more than they will hurt Charles. Diana apparently says thiings that are irrational and vengeful. I was surprised. I really thought she had come to terms with the divorce but she apparently was scheming.
I'm confused. I don't want the detail, but what are the timings of the "old" and "new" tapes ( when said, when released)
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The princes have said they want to control the memory of their mother this year and have done nothing to stop this sort of thing being aired.

They want it out there and they know it will hurt their father.

They could have simply issued a statement that they supported their uncle's call but they did nothing - that is a tacit agreement and also shows how they are in control of what is being reported about their mother. They can't have it both ways - if they truly want to control her memory then they have to stop these sorts of thing or they have take the consequences of the fall-out for not speaking out.

It should also be noted that these tapes were seen in the US years ago and have been on Youtube for years as well. What is happening now is that they are being shown in the UK and the only reason to do that is to hurt Charles.
No, the reason to do that is that it will make Channel 4 money. Full stop. If Channel 4 was in possession of tapes in which Diana said interesting and compelling things that made Charles look good, they'd show those.

As for William and Harry and what this supposedly says about them,
they have spent the last several months being knocked about in the press and online for saying too much, or the wrong thing, or in the wrong way. If they did try to "stop it", as you say, first they'd be accused of trying to use the power of the monarchy to censor Channel 4. And it would ultimately be futile. They don't have a good option at this point.

At least silence is dignified. Charles Spencer can condemn all he wants; he's not a future head of state and he has precious little dignity left.

Every time a member of the royal family has dared to voice an opinion, people line up to complain. "Never complain, never explain" has become a stick with which to beat them if they step out of the never-explicitly-delineated lines that are, somehow, different depending on who's drawing them.

They're human beings, and these matters touch them intimately; I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt, as they're more privy to the personalities and events involved than any of us are.
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All I'll say is that no matter what comes out now on tapes, books or whatever from Diana's mouth, it will not change my opinion of Charles one little bit. If anything, the more Diana tried to discredit him, the more of a human being I see in Charles. In my opinion, stuff like this coming out about Diana now 20 years after her death makes her look like she's not playing with a full deck more than it hurts Charles. People who missed all the drama 20 years ago are now being saturated with it and it doesn't do Diana's memory one bit of good.
Which tapes are these? Are these new ones that have never been heard? I have been reading this thread but I still cannot figure it out.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:55 PM
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These are the Settelen tapes that have been around for years - but never shown in the UK before.
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I'm confused. I don't want the detail, but what are the timings of the "old" and "new" tapes ( when said, when released)
The old tapes were the ones she did with her speech coach Peter Settleton in the early 90s. Much of them were aired in the US and YouTube years ago. But they are being broadcast for the first time in Great Britain. Settleton won the rights of ownership in court. They had been found at Paul Burrell's home where he had taken them after Diana's death.
The new tapes she recorded with a cameraman from the BBC a few months before she died. They just recently resurfaced. Apparently their existence became known a few years ago.
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