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That says a lot about the members of the BRF, I think, especially at that time. There were get-togethers at specific times of the year. However they seem, from biographies I've read, to have often communicated by notes, not face to face or by phone.

The different members led/lead separate lives and get together by arrangement because of their scheduling. During Diana's time anyway (and things may have changed though I doubt it for the older members of the BRF) they don't seem to have been a family who were used to popping into each other's homes unannounced.
This scenario is contradicted by the memoir of Charles' and Diana's housekeeper, Wendy Barry, in her book "The Housekeeper's Diary: Charles and Diana Before the Breakup". She describes visits to Highgrove by Anne and even The Queen 'dropping in' for tea and long talks with Charles. She describes Anne's children showing up to play with William and Harry. Given the obvious ease that Anne's children as grown adults evidence with William and Harry it has to be a given that they knew each other growing up, at least through Charles when they were with him.

The private lives of the royals are actually virtually unknown. When they are ensconced at Balmoral and Sandringham it's a private world. When in London they live within steps of each other.

Diana was part of all that until she began to pull away. Wendy Barry indicates that there were weekend parties and visits (she mentions Edward, who she had a special relationship with through her son who had valeted for him, and Andrew), but as the couple drew apart, they each began staying at Highgrove when the other wasn't present, so that would mean Diana would not see Charles' siblings, and that was as early as 1985/86. (I really need to read that memoir again, it's an important primary source, and I think I am losing details).
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Evidence seems to be contradictory then. I had the impression that at lest in Buck P, the royals, perhaps its more the older ones like the queen Pss Margaret etc. were very formal and didn't drop in.
but possibly in the country, and for the younger generation of charles' age or his children, they were more informal.
I confess I can't imagine Diana being very friendly with C's siblings, even Andy and Edward who were her age. There was little common interests, but possibly she had to socialise with them as family..
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Evidence seems to be contradictory then. I had the impression that at lest in Buck P, the royals, perhaps its more the older ones like the queen Pss Margaret etc. were very formal and didn't drop in, but possibly in the country, and for the younger generation of charles' age or his children, they were more informal. I confess I can't imagine Diana being very friendly with C's siblings, even Andy and Edward who were her age. There was little common interests, but possibly she had to socialise with them as family.
Diana played with Andrew (and Edward, I believe) as a child. She was apparently a regular visitor and it was often supposed she was a possible wife for Andrew. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
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no, she joked about marrying Andrew because she was almost the same age as him and played with him.. during her childhood. but that was when she was a kid.. I don't believe she was thought of as a wife for Andrew because he was much to young to marry, when she was going out with Charles.
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Old 06-24-2017, 02:21 PM
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Interesting to think about...Diana married to Andrew.


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Old 06-24-2017, 02:25 PM
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All I can say is that after Diana's separation and subsequent divorce from Charles, her relationship with his side of the family probably was much like mine was. Civil but virtually non-existent. The couple were leading separate lives and unless a very strong bond had developed before the breakup with a member of a spouse's family, it rarely continues.
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but the thing being Osipi that the RF are a bit different to most of us. Diana HAD to maintain some kind of relationship, however distant and "not very friendly" with the RF -because of their position and her sons being part of the country's premier family. She had to let her boys spend time with the queen, because they are princes and future king.. even fi she didn't really like the idea.
I think the queen did try to keep up a bit of friendly feeling both for public consumption (Di being so popular with the people) and for the kids sake but Diana was increasingly reluctant, and did not want to do things like spend Xmas with the RF, even if it meant leaving the boys there without her..
I think that while she was friendly with Andy and Ed as a child, there was not much of a bond once she grew up and as charles' wife, she problaby was more "polite friendly " with them.. than really close.
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Interesting to think about...Diana married to Andrew.


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Diana would not have liked her husband to be home less than 7 weeks a year, that much is certain. Andrew signed up for that long RN hitch quite early on. On the positive side, there would be no lectures on Laurens van der Post on the honeymoon.
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Old 06-24-2017, 02:56 PM
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Diana would not have liked her husband to be home less than 7 weeks a year, that much is certain. Andrew signed up for that long RN hitch quite early on. On the positive side, there would be no lectures on Laurens van der Post on the honeymoon.
No she wouldn't of, however other than this...they might of actually suited one another better.


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Old 06-24-2017, 03:03 PM
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Diana would not have liked her husband to be home less than 7 weeks a year, that much is certain. Andrew signed up for that long RN hitch quite early on. On the positive side, there would be no lectures on Laurens van der Post on the honeymoon.
What's wrong with Laurens van der Post ?
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I can't see how. Andrew was a boisterous vulgar overly jolly guy in his youth, and Diana was quiet and essentially shy.. and she and he had as little in comon as she had with Charles. I think she problaby liked him but found him rather crude.. and would have found his bouncy excessive jollity off putting. so with no interests in common, and his being in a profession which meant he was away most of the time, I'm sure he was NOT a royal she would have chosen to marry. she wanted a full time husband, and hoped or believed that Charles being the "top royal" apart from the Q would have more control over how he spent his time..and would be there with her most of it.. I don't think she appreciated how busy he was.

Also, Andy was too young to get married, at the time she was attracting C's notice. I Don't know how friendly she was with Edward, who is about 3 yrs her junior.
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I can't see how. Andrew was a boisterous vulgar overly jolly guy in his youth, and Diana was quiet and essentially shy.. and she and he had as little in comon as she had with Charles. I think she problaby liked him but found him rather crude.. and would have found his bouncy excessive jollity off putting. so with no interests in common, and his being in a profession which meant he was away most of the time, I'm sure he was NOT a royal she would have chosen to marry. she wanted a full time husband, and hoped or believed that Charles being the "top royal" apart from the Q would have more control over how he spent his time..and would be there with her most of it.. I don't think she appreciated how busy he was.

Also, Andy was too young to get married, at the time she was attracting C's notice. I Don't know how friendly she was with Edward, who is about 3 yrs her junior.

Much has been made about Diana's sense of humor and love of jokes/laughter. She could be rather 'off color' herself as I understand it.

I don't think his rowdy/bounciness would of been off putting to her. His job, yes.


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There are degrees of "vulgarity" and I get the feeling that Andy was rather too much so at times. And given Di's tendency toward depression, I think that Andy bonging around and being jolly, would be irritating.. and he would find her too quiet and sad. He did love Fergie, who was much jollier and bouncier.
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There are degrees of "vulgarity" and I get the feeling that Andy was rather too much so at times. And given Di's tendency toward depression, I think that Andy bonging around and being jolly, would be irritating.. and he would find her too quiet and sad. He did love Fergie, who was much jollier and bouncier.
Diana supposedly enjoyed the jolly bouncy Fergie so ...and it wasn't like Andrew was that way 24/7, nor Fergie.

I think in a different type of marriage Diana wouldn't of tended toward depression.

As far as vulgarity goes...IME most men can run to the vulgar side of things (and a good number of women) ...Charles has proven he was very capable of it. I'm quite sure most of the men Diana was involved with would of had a streak of it. Plus she had male friends prior to marriage so she was not that sheltered as to how they could behave.


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but the thing being Osipi that the RF are a bit different to most of us. Diana HAD to maintain some kind of relationship, however distant and "not very friendly" with the RF -because of their position and her sons being part of the country's premier family. She had to let her boys spend time with the queen, because they are princes and future king.. even fi she didn't really like the idea.
I think the queen did try to keep up a bit of friendly feeling both for public consumption (Di being so popular with the people) and for the kids sake but Diana was increasingly reluctant, and did not want to do things like spend Xmas with the RF, even if it meant leaving the boys there without her..
I think that while she was friendly with Andy and Ed as a child, there was not much of a bond once she grew up and as charles' wife, she problaby was more "polite friendly " with them.. than really close.
Being with the RF at events such as Trooping the Color and whatnot after the separation and divorce would just be an occasion where Diana followed protocol and acted civilly towards those in attendance. In other words. put on a "game face". There would no semblance of an actual relationship between these people.

I've found myself in situations where both my ex husband and I would be in attendance at the same functions (Kid's wedding etc) and that was the modus operandi then. Hello. How are you. As one would do with any other human being there. No relationship whatsoever between the ex and I. We've moved on.

Sure they had to interact with each other but that doesn't mean they had any kind of a relationship to speak of.
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There are degrees of "vulgarity" and I get the feeling that Andy was rather too much so at times. And given Di's tendency toward depression, I think that Andy bonging around and being jolly, would be irritating.. and he would find her too quiet and sad. He did love Fergie, who was much jollier and bouncier.
On those recently re-hashed Morton book tapes, Diana spoke of how Koo Stark was such a nice match for Andrew, saying that she was "quiet and utterly devoted" to him, so he would have responded to that aspect of her own character.

Diana and Andrew would have had some very solid things in common as a couple -- friends the same age to start with, no chance of one making the other feel intellectually inferior, they would also probably enjoy the same sort of entertainment -- ie. popular music and television.

Neither were avid horse people or fox hunters as well, a somewhat rare commonality in those circles.
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Andrew wouldn't have worked out. At the beginning, he would have been gone the majority of the time with the Navy and when he was home, he was rumored to be a couch potato. Then again, Diana would always know where he was eh?

Diana sometimes reminds me of Eliza Doolittle. A woman that totally transformed herself. Maybe what she needed was a Professor Higgins willing to devote all his time and energies to her. I don't think anyone dedicated to the working "Firm" would have suited Diana at all. She was more suited to a home life where the guy did his thing from 9-5 and came home to wife and kiddies.

I think Diana did get on well with the Queen and the other extended members of the family but she never really got close to them. They all just had such busy schedules that "popping in for tea" or going out to lunch wasn't something they ordinarily did. As was pointed out earlier, Wendy Berry the housekeeper states that these occasions did happen but they weren't the norm.
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I think that's true that she tended to follow her boyfriends' interests to a certain extent. But I think No way Andy. he was loud and vulgar at times and the rest of the time, as you say he just wanted to stay home and watch TV. Diana liked to go out and IMO needed someone cheerful but not "overly jolly" because for a depressive person, too much jollity is as bad as too little. I don't really know wath Andy's interests are, seems to be the Navy, girls and golf. I believe he likes photography.
I think Diana enjoyed more active sports like tennis swimming, gym exercise etc.. and she liked to read though she didn't like Heavy reading.
and while she liked to go dancing and have fun, she was also IMO essentially serious.. she wanted a home life with her kids.. she wanted to do things that helped people, so in some ways she and Charles Did have that good intention in common..
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Had George VI lived to 100, and was around in the 80s and 90s, I wonder how he would have gotten along with his granddaughter-in-law?
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That is something no one will ever know. There's a lot of "what ifs" that could figure into that scenario. The logical answer I think would be if George VI lived that long, his daughter Elizabeth would be heir presumptive and most likely Charles would never have married Diana. He wouldn't be under as much pressure to marry and would have found someone else.
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