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Old 05-26-2015, 09:38 AM
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I do believe that Elizabeth had a bigger contributions To making AIDS and HIV less taboo and something that needed to he addressed. I believe she also touched people who had it though I'm not too sure about that. WHen I hear and read things about the 80s and HIV and celebrities it's usually Elizabeth Taylor who is mentioned, I don't hear much about Diana.
She definitely made a difference with humanizing the disease but I think the real crusader was Elizabeth.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:43 AM
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I remember, but it was no big thing. Just a 2 minute blip on TV of foreign news here on the East Coast of NY, NJ n PA where at the time I lived and got 100% of my nightly news. There was a small article in People Magazine but no one I knew even talked about it. Aids were talked about on proper health channels by people that were in the medical field doing the "down and dirty" work to put a stop to this awful disease. Elizabeth Taylor [after death of Rock Hudson] was able to run events making millions for research by arm twisting her millionaire friends for yearly contributions. But here in America, Diana was not the big draw.

Well it was big in Australia as I said before we had children not being in school because they had aids and parents were worried that their child could "catch it'. I remember the photo and resulting news. I've heard the the US doesn't really follow news if it doesn't come from US. That's why you probably only heard about Liz Taylor. Lots of people the world over did work for aids that's for sure. But Diana and the patient put it and the touch on the front page.
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:43 PM
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Her legacy that lives on lies with sons and that's where we can actually see Diana's influence on them as they step into the roles she's raised them to take on and how they raise their children by the example that she set for them.
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Old 06-29-2015, 03:12 PM
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Her legacy that lives on lies with sons and that's where we can actually see Diana's influence on them as they step into the roles she's raised them to take on and how they raise their children by the example that she set for them.
That's beautifully said
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Old 06-30-2015, 01:21 AM
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I've deleted and edited a bunch of posts that had nothing to do with Diana's legacy. This thread is not about the Diana inquest, or her activities in 1997. I've also moved a few posts to the Charles and Diana thread and the Diana's Secret Tapes thread.
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Old 06-30-2015, 04:10 AM
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I just came across a 2011 interview (just before the royal wedding I think) about the Royal Marsden which Diana was involved with for many years and which William then became associated with.

Prince William: Following in his mother's charitable footsteps - CNN.com
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Old 06-30-2015, 04:50 AM
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I do think if we look closely, we can find quite a few examples where William and Harry have taken on causes that were of special interest to their mother. William with Centrepointe and Royal Marsden, Harry with HALO while he was in the US not long ago and his work with Sentebale for the HIV infected children in Lesotho and probably a few more I'm forgetting at the moment. Both Will and Harry have also continued on in interests important to their father too such as with their conservation work. Both parents have done an exceptional job with their children.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:48 AM
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Today would have been the 54th birthday of Diana, Princess of Wales. Born 1st July 1961 at Sandringham.

I imagine that if Diana had lived- she would be busy enjoying her birthday with her family, kissing her grandchildren, being a supportive mother to William and Harry, being a great mother-in-law to Catherine and being hands on with her many charitable organizations. She is indeed missed.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:57 AM
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I just want to remember her and nothing more... I think too much has been said about her... and thinking at "what if" would happen it she still were here it is not use. R.I.P. That is enough IMO
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Like most people her greatest legacy is her children and now her grandchildren. It is a tragedy that she did not live to see them.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:31 AM
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Agree, but knowing the Archbishop of Canterbury will say her name on Sunday when he christens Charlotte, is a sweet thought.
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:14 PM
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I agree, Marty91charmed. Memories are what we have, and they are enough.


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I just want to remember her and nothing more... I think too much has been said about her... and thinking at "what if" would happen it she still were here it is not use. R.I.P. That is enough IMO
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I agree, Marty91charmed. Memories are what we have, and they are enough.
Indeed. I just feel uncomfortable when a human being who is not living any longer is discussed and analysed even after his/her death...
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Old 07-02-2015, 01:47 PM
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I didn't mean to go on about what Diana would be doing today had she lived. I just expressed my imagination. I can't help but think about how she would be enjoying her grandchildren on her birthday.
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Indeed. I just feel uncomfortable when a human being who is not living any longer is discussed and analysed even after his/her death...
So obviously you don't study or enjoy history because that is what History is - the study and analysis of people who were once living.

It is what I do for a living.

Diana is now a figure from history to be debated, argued over, analysed, discussed etc for the rest of time - as far as historians and students of History are concerned - like Churchill, Henry VIII, Hitler, Florence Nightingale, Nelson Mandela etc etc etc.
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What I don't care for is what I call 'weird history', an obvious example of which is the ongoing conjecture about what shadowy force was behind Diana's death. The hysteria has died down quite a bit, but it still rears its ugly head on occasion. I'm so tired of it.
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:33 PM
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Conspiracy Theories are a very real part of teaching history - often in order to educate people about the ridiculousness of them.


The theories around Diana's death are part of her legacy and will form a part of any study of her - particularly as many of them were expressed in the inquest, which is a main aspect of her legacy as well.
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What I don't care for is what I call 'weird history', an obvious example of which is the ongoing conjecture about what shadowy force was behind Diana's death. The hysteria has died down quite a bit, but it still rears its ugly head on occasion. I'm so tired of it.

The conspiracy theories about Diana are touchy because they both are and are not history. Much like the theories about 9/11 they're historic events, but they've happened in recent memory. Ultimately it's not entirely different from theories about the cause of George III's madness or what happened to Edward V and his brother, with the exception being that we do actually know what happened to Diana (a car crash) and the theories about her are more related to the fringe elements of what can be considered a Cult of Diana than reality.
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What I don't care for is what I call 'weird history', an obvious example of which is the ongoing conjecture about what shadowy force was behind Diana's death. The hysteria has died down quite a bit, but it still rears its ugly head on occasion. I'm so tired of it.
You and every logical person around. It is a sad fact that Diana will largely be remembered by her totally needless death and the mass hysteria that followed.

Most people look back and cringe at the excesses, the cruelty to the BRF and callous demands to "produce the princes" for "the people" and every media outlet, to fawn over and tell them they understood and felt their pain. No one can understand another's pain because it is personal.

To this day, the one event that remains indelibly imprinted in my memory is that of the family walking around the mountain of flowers, surrounded by wailing, sobbing and hysterical people. That William and Harry maintained their composure and didn't bolt for the palace is a measure of their strength and the family love encompassing them during a trial they should never have been forced to endure.

That is the UK's shame. As to the b**s*** crazy conspiracy theorists? Who cares anymore? Life does as it always will, it goes on.
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Oh how I am tempted to print your comments and frame them MARG. I was shocked and saddened by what happened to Diana, but I was even more disgusted by the worldwide hysteria . It was shameful. The borderline irrational SHOW SOME EMOTION vulgarity of the London mobs reminded me of what it must have been like in Paris at the Fall of the Bastille with the enraged irrational crowds demanding that the cowering French Royal family show themselves to the people. The absolute nadir was the savage criticism leveled at QEII for daring to take her grandsons to church with her on the morning after the tragedy.

I mean, imagine the depravity of any grandmother doing such a thing!

Then there was the stupid uninformed American media, seeming to totally revel in all the drama and adding the meaningless two cents about the "cold" monstrous queen and the BRF.

And in a few years the same crowds and media who wailed and gnashed their teeth seem to have forgotten Diana.


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Marty91charmed,
That is so succinct and lovely. And it's exactly how I feel now as well.
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