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Old 08-01-2008, 12:02 PM
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Yes, everyone desires some meaning in life. She couldn't find it in her marriage, and her children were growing up. Considering her lack of formal education and sophistication when she married, I believe that she did very well in the public sphere.


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I think that drive of her wanting to make a difference of good in the world was her rather empty life and that she wanted it to be meaningful in some way. So I really believe she tried to do the best she could to change the world for the better.
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Yes, everyone desires some meaning in life. She couldn't find it in her marriage, and her children were growing up. Considering her lack of formal education and sophistication when she married, I believe that she did very well in the public sphere.
Whew! Glad you understood what I said! I looked back at it and wondered why Warren didn't edit it and make more sense of it!

I believe that that was a motivating factor in her life: To make a difference. Not to be just a brood mare for the "heir and the spare", but to truly make a difference.
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Camilla has never been intersted in taking Diana's place. Diana did a lot of good in the world and she will always be the Queen of People's Hearts.
Camilla will always be the love of Prince Charles' life and an incredible help-mate to HRH.
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Camilla has never been intersted in taking Diana's place. Diana did a lot of good in the world and she will always be the Queen of People's Hearts.
Camilla will always be the love of Prince Charles' life and an incredible help-mate to HRH.
I have to agree with Russo--but not with the the whole "Queen of People's Hearts" moniker. It's overplayed and I think it's just a trifle too much, personally--bordering on tacky almost. Let's just call her "Diana"; everyone knows who we're talking about. This Queen of People's Hearts nonsense is nauseating--for anyone. That applies not just to Diana, but to Mary, Mette-Marit, Letizia--any of those princesses who are slated to be a Queen. It reeks of "gooey-ness". Let's leave her a little dignity, please!

Camilla will always be known as the woman he loved who supported him--and as Queen!
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:03 PM
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This Queen of People's Hearts nonsense is nauseating--for anyone.
As I said either in this thread or another a while ago, my heart is a republic if Diana is the queen of it.
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I have to agree with Russo--but not with the the whole "Queen of People's Hearts" moniker. It's overplayed and I think it's just a trifle too much, personally--bordering on tacky almost. Let's just call her "Diana"; everyone knows who we're talking about. This Queen of People's Hearts nonsense is nauseating--for anyone. That applies not just to Diana, but to Mary, Mette-Marit, Letizia--any of those princesses who are slated to be a Queen. It reeks of "gooey-ness". Let's leave her a little dignity, please!

Camilla will always be known as the woman he loved who supported him--and as Queen!
And she will also be known for being Charles' former mistress. Her legacy will not start the moment she becomes queen. What she did yesterday, today, and tomorrow will be part of her legacy.

And also Diana is a queen in my heart along with many other great women.
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And she will also be known for being Charles' former mistress. Her legacy will not start the moment she becomes queen. What she did yesterday, today, and tomorrow will be part of her legacy.

And also Diana is a queen in my heart along with many other great women.
That is true, Sirhon. You cannot escape your past. But, unlike many people, I think that Charles and Camilla are a great love story about fate and eventually ending up with who is best for you. They may not have always gone about it in the best way, or most discreet manner, but you can certainly tell there is no tension or drama between them. They may well be what some can call a "model marriage".

Also, I did not mean to imply or minimilize Diana's impact on persons by criticizing the whole "Queen of People's Hearts". I just think it's a little too precious in the phrasing--almost juvenile in a way. I prefer to remember her as "Diana" and the woman she became after her divorce. That whole, Queen of People's Hearts statement that she came up with was just the ploy of a desperate woman trying to manipulate the press and the public and destroy a future King. She grew up, matured, and found her own path after that interview before she died. Calling her the Queen of People's Hearts links her irrevocably to Charles and the Monarchy--and she had wanted her independence and freedom so she could just be "Diana". That is why I don't care for the "Queen of People's Hearts"--I don't think she came up with it and I think that if she were alive she would cringe whenever she heard it. It doesn't mean that she isn't a Queen in people's hearts--because that is a touching tribute--but I think we should just call her, simply, "Diana"
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That whole, Queen of People's Hearts statement that she came up with was just the ploy of a desperate woman trying to manipulate the press and the public and destroy a future King. She grew up, matured, and found her own path after that interview before she died. Calling her the Queen of People's Hearts links her irrevocably to Charles and the Monarchy--and she had wanted her independence and freedom so she could just be "Diana". That is why I don't care for the "Queen of People's Hearts"--I don't think she came up with it and I think that if she were alive she would cringe whenever she heard it.
I really like your opinion. Yes, I think as well that Diana had realised at the time of the Panorama-interview that Charles did not want her to be his queen anymore, so she coined the phrase of the "Queen of People's Heart" as opposed to "Charles' Queen" and did her best to see to it that Charles would never be king, so noone would be Charles' queen. I sometimes doubt she imagined that this could be read as an attack direct at the currently reigning queen.

But there we have it: once the phrase was out, it could never be stopped again, causing all kinds of misery.
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I think a quote from the Queen quickly sums this up, "Maybe you wont find it a luxury to bring home the mother of the future King of England in one of our planes."

I think the Queen acted as tradition dictated and I felt that was the wrong move IMO. Tony Blair knew this would be huge when she died. The media did also. Although they probably did "hype it up" there had to be something there to "hype up". It was an emotion of greif that was
unparallel in Britian. These people loved Princess Diana as I am sure some of them love the Queen. Yes, we did not know her, but we felt like we did. No one truly knows the British Royal Family. But that does not stop people for feeling for them.

I feel that Diana rose above celebrity. She became an icon. We know she made some bad decisions but so have all of us. In the end we lost a woman who... dare I say it... one of the best things that happen to the British Royal Family apart from the Queen.
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What's the difference between celebrity and icon these days according to the accepted media?
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From Wikipedia:
A cultural icon can be an image, a symbol, a logo, picture, name, face, person, or building or other image that is readily recognized, and generally represents an object or concept with great cultural significance to a wide cultural group. A representation of an object or person, or that object or person may come to be regarded as having a special status as particularly representative of, or important to, or loved by, a particular group of people, a place, or a period in history."

I guess what I am getting at is celebrities come and go, icons tend to last.
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Sorry, I was being a bit smart-alec with my earlier comment.

If icons tend to last, all members of BRF would have to be included in the list of icons. Once you are born in to the royal family or married into it, their names will be recorded in history books forever, regardless of their achievements or failures in both private and public. The term "icon" itself is so shallow.
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Yes so it's difficult to say if Diana will be an icon since she died only 11 years ago. When you say "icon", I have the names of Che Guevara, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis in my mind. Somehow, I don't think you'll see Diana on posters and T-shirts even if she'll definitely stay in the RF and British history.
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I think a quote from the Queen quickly sums this up, "Maybe you wont find it a luxury to bring home the mother of the future King of England in one of our planes."
That is from the film 'The Queen' and there is no evidence to support that she ever said or even thought this in real life!
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Sadly to many, although she was seen as a great humanitarian, she is not seen as 'one of the best things to happen to the Royal Family', IMO, she tried very hard to destroy it.
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she tried very hard to destroy it.
Although I don't think she had this in mind when entering the RF, in the end I guess that was it; unfortunately for everybody.
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Yes so it's difficult to say if Diana will be an icon since she died only 11 years ago. When you say "icon", I have the names of Che Guevara, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis in my mind. Somehow, I don't think you'll see Diana on posters and T-shirts even if she'll definitely stay in the RF and British history.
I understand what you are saying TheTruth. As of right now I don't see the Princess being an icon like Marilyn Monroe. What always boggeled my mind is how did Marilyn Monroe become an icon?
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MM died what could be called a "sudden untimely death" at the age of 36.
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MM died what could be called a "sudden untimely death" at the age of 36.
She was already a famous actress. But I think it was the condition in which her body was discovered gave the tabloids of the days the extra salacious details. Even the more prudish journalists couldn't avoid mentioning her nudity.
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Although I don't think she had this in mind when entering the RF, in the end I guess that was it; unfortunately for everybody.
I do not think it was something she set out to do and I think she would have been horrified to think that if it fell, it might have been her doing.
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I've taken out off-topic digressions. A reminder that this thread is about "Diana's Legacy", not the relationship and marriage of Charles and Camilla.
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