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Old 03-17-2015, 01:37 PM
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I didn't degrade it to "practically nothing" but I am also not going to exaggerate it. If she had such a passion for helping others, why did she drastically cut back her appearances for charities in the last few years of her life?

The fact is that she lived a very comfortable existence and she gave very little of her own money to charity. She spent more time and money on vacations and shopping than she spent helping others. My husband and I have probably given a higher percentage of our income to charity than Diana ever did.

She brought a lot of publicity to great causes, and she enjoyed the experience of helping others as well as the adoration she received for doing so. There is nothing wrong with being a little selfish when doing charity work. Mother Teresa's motives weren't entirely unselfish: She did it with the expectation that she would be rewarded in heaven (and I think she is).

It is ridiculous to claim that Diana was completely unselfish and put herself at risk to help others. Her charitable work helped others while giving her the good publicity she craves and she was able to perform it without being truly inconvenienced.

One of the reasons that Diana is so fascinating is because she was living the fantasy for most people: she lived a comfortable life and helped others at the same time. I'd rather be Diana than Mother Teresa.
Of course she loved the praise, but she didn't live for it. People and her charities appreciated the attention she brought to many causes. Also, they adored her because she was a very popular senior royal. The royals and palace officials enjoy their popularity. Popularity have it's ups and downs, but it's one of the things that help the Monarchy stick around.

Members of the royal family give an undisclosed amount of money to many charities and other organizations. No one can say they give "very little" or "a great deal" because no one really knows. That's their private business.

Diana loved supporting her many patronages, but she couldn't be as active as she wanted to be with all of them. She cut back and focused on a select few that she could be hands on with. The organizations understood her position, but she just didn't turn a cold shoulder to them.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:51 PM
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Yes, I believe this is true. There's no way of knowing.

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Members of the royal family give an undisclosed amount of money to many charities and other organizations. No one can say they give "very little" or "a great deal" because no one really knows. That's their private business.
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:09 PM
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Old 03-17-2015, 08:08 PM
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But she led a very comfortable life and her charitable work required little sacrifice on her part and it gave her the publicity and public adoration she craved
If the reasons she did charity was merely to crave good publicity, she would not get on the boat with Dodi Fayed and asked paparazzo Jason Fraser to take intimate photoes of them at such an unfavorable moment -- when Kelly Fisher, Dodi's alleged girl friend, just came out to say she was Dodi's fiancee. Diana was committing a reputation suicide to get attention. For what? I really hope that she would have the chance to attend the Oslo Landmine conference, which commenced merely several days after her death, so that her degraders can shut up their mouths.

But you know what. I really have to thank the late Earl Spencer who had instilled such a strict discipline in her daughter -- writing thank you letters within 24 hours. She would write thank-you letters for even the smallest good deeds she received, e.g., she wrote one to the chauffeur who drove her around New York City. It turns out writing thank you notes is not only a good old art, but also a very piratical one. Basically, she didn't tell anyone why she did all she did in that summer. But from her last three thank-you letters on 11 Aug 1997, we can see what was the focus of her mind at that stage. They can defend her now when she is unable to. In some sense, this is a really inspirational story about thank-you letters.

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...stiffened my resolve to ensure their (mine victims) needs for care and support are not overlooked in the search for an agreement to outlaw landmines

... ensure that they are not forgotten in the framework of negotiations for a ban on anti-personnel landmines

... hardened my resolve to ensure that the world does not forget that those who have been so needlessly maimed by these terrible weapons will need care and support for many years to come
Look at the time-line, when she wrote these letters, it was only 20 days before the Oslo landmine conference commenced, in which the final draft of the Mine Ban Treaty was negotiated. When she got on the boat with Dodi Fayed for the second time, it was only 10 days before the meeting. Then why she tried so hard to get attention at that moment? Even her enemies acknowledged the reason, on Aug 27 they demanded her to "keep quiet and don't seek so much publicity". I believe history would acknowledge the true reason also.

How much she had sacrificed to help the poor. For 18 years, people always say had she not died, her popularity would wind down quickly. That is the evidence of how much she had sacrificed.
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Old 03-17-2015, 09:20 PM
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Yes, I believe this is true. There's no way of knowing.
I agree that we don't know for sure, but most estimates put her divorce settlement was between $23 and $28 million. A year after her divorce, her estate was valued at around $30 million. I believe that there was some inheritance from grandmother and father, and she had living expenses that last year.

My father's had an estate that didn't come close to the value of Diana's estate, yet he designated that some money go to his university. It wasn't much but his alma mater was very important to him.

So although we don't know for sure, no one can say that she did donate a large amount of money to charity.
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Old 03-17-2015, 09:23 PM
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Yes, exactly. It goes both ways.

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So although we don't know for sure, no one can say that she did donate a large amount of money to charity.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:12 PM
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Of course she loved the praise, but she didn't live for it.

I'm not so sure.

I really think that Diana bought into her own publicity, to an extent.

(I don't mean this in a negative way; it would be weird if she didn't, considering the adulation she received. But that is what I think happened.
That said, I do think Diana had good intentions, at least to begin with).
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:17 PM
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I agree that we don't know for sure, but most estimates put her divorce settlement was between $23 and $28 million. A year after her divorce, her estate was valued at around $30 million. I believe that there was some inheritance from grandmother and father, and she had living expenses that last year.

My father's had an estate that didn't come close to the value of Diana's estate, yet he designated that some money go to his university. It wasn't much but his alma mater was very important to him.

So although we don't know for sure, no one can say that she did donate a large amount of money to charity.
Anyone can donate money to charities, because it's good to support them in anyway you can. Getting involved, becoming the figurehead of the causes and help raise money and awareness for the charities is even more important. Diana and other royals have done just that.

The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry is now in charge of the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund: "a grant-giving foundation established in September 1997 after the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, to continue her humanitarian work in the United Kingdom and overseas."
Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it would be great if they re-established the Foundation and get involved with the grants. Recreated it a long the lines of the Princess Grace Foundation.

About the Fund | The Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund


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I'm not so sure.

I really think that Diana bought into her own publicity, to an extent.

(I don't mean this in a negative way; it would be weird if she didn't, considering the adulation she received. But that is what I think happened.
That said, I do think Diana had good intentions, at least to begin with).
Diana admitted that she was confused by all the attention that was focused on her, her wardrobe, hair and lifestyle early on. It was something she had to get used to. She then tried to use that enormous attention and media interest for her charities benefits. She traveled to Nepal, Washington, New York, Chicago, Bosnia, Africa, Angola, Calcutta and other places to help raise awareness for countless issues. Where she went, the media followed.
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:50 PM
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Diana admitted that she was confused by all the attention that was focused on her, her wardrobe, hair and lifestyle early on. It was something she had to get used to. She then tried to use that enormous attention and media interest for her charities benefits. She traveled to Nepal, Washington, New York, Chicago, Bosnia, Africa, Angola, Calcutta and other places to help raise awareness for countless issues. Where she went, the media followed.
Yes, that was the way she saw where her contribution could be. She defined her role as messenger, and she knew the media would followed her every move. Of course, everyone likes praise. That is quite inhuman if one doesn't. But in some situation, we have to made choice between the benefit of ourselves and other people. A lot of people, for example those deminers who risk their lives to this dangerous job, would choose the later. Diana was just one of these million of people. Some of her choices in that last summer manifest, at least to me, reputation and fame were not her main goasl when she did those charity work. What was her goal? Paul Burrel's book said she treated life as a journey to develop the growth of one's soul. I agree with him at this point.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:39 AM
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Diana was obsessed with her image.

She spent hours and hours each day going over the newspapers. Reviewing each and every pictures. If there was image that she didn't like or anything remotely negative she was petulant through out the day and rude to her staff.

Royals hand out photos of themselves, normally only having a photo taken once a year. Diana, however, would have her photo taken several times a year and it would entail a full photo session lasting all day.

Source her private secretary Jephson.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:45 AM
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Yes, and as a result, although she may no longer be here, we have many beautiful photographs of her, for which I for one am grateful!
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Yes, and as a result, although she may no longer be here, we have many beautiful photographs of her, for which I for one am grateful!

Yes so I'm I and she was truly loved by the people


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Old 03-18-2015, 01:01 AM
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Diana was obsessed with her image.

She spent hours and hours each day going over the newspapers. Reviewing each and every pictures. If there was image that she didn't like or anything remotely negative she was petulant through out the day and rude to her staff.

Royals hand out photos of themselves, normally only having a photo taken once a year. Diana, however, would have her photo taken several times a year and it would entail a full photo session lasting all day.

Source her private secretary Jephson.
If it is true, that is another manifestation of people's soul can grow so fast. I think the divorce had really free her from those silly PR competitions with Charles, namely "war of wales". It gave a chance for her to find her own path. I am quite sure in 1997, she was not burdened with her image too much any more.

FYI, her secretary Jephson left before the end of 1995.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:14 AM
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Jepshon was there when she did most of her charity work.
Diana was obsessed with her image.

The incident he relays about her wanting to spend Christmas in India with Mother Theresa but Mother Theresa's American assistant did fall for Diana's scheme. She told Diana she could help the charity out by visiting its branch in the U.K.

Diana never bothered to contact the U.K. branch of Mother Theresa's charity because she was only interested in publicity for herself. She would have received greater publicity for herself, if she was photographed with Mother Theresa in India.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:30 AM
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I agree that we don't know for sure, but most estimates put her divorce settlement was between $23 and $28 million. A year after her divorce, her estate was valued at around $30 million. I believe that there was some inheritance from grandmother and father, and she had living expenses that last year.

I read the opposite. Her estate was losing money.

Diana's will was dated June 2, 1993
She was worth less than £1,000,000.
This probably included anything she may have inherited from her father.

I believe her divorce settlement was around £17,000,000. The year she died the estate was worth £14,000,000.

She had lost £3,000,000 in one year.

She was hemorrhaging money which is why her executors changed the age in which William and Harry received the money from age 25 to 30.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:40 AM
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Jepshon was there when she did most of her charity work.
Diana was obsessed with her image.

The incident he relays about her wanting to spend Christmas in India with Mother Theresa but Mother Theresa's American assistant did fall for Diana's scheme. She told Diana she could help the charity out by visiting its branch in the U.K.

Diana never bothered to contact the U.K. branch of Mother Theresa's charity because she was only interested in publicity for herself. She would have received greater publicity for herself, if she was photographed with Mother Theresa in India.
Diana wasn't obsessed with her own publicity. She had the publicity at her gate every single day. She understood the media wasn't going anywhere, HRH or not. She used them to her advantage to do shine some light on the charities she cared for. Homeless, cancer, aids, leprosy, ballet, landmines, etc.

Yes, good publicity is better than bad publicity, and it's what many people in public life want and to keep.
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Old 03-18-2015, 02:33 AM
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Diana wasn't obsessed with her own publicity. She had the publicity at her gate every single day. She understood the media wasn't going anywhere, HRH or not. She used them to her advantage to do shine some light on the charities she cared for. Homeless, cancer, aids, leprosy, ballet, landmines, etc.

Yes, good publicity is better than bad publicity, and it's what many people in public life want and to keep.
When we exam that part of history (1992-1995), we have to kept in mind that, Diana was from a family where her mother lost all her children's custody to her aristocrat husband. When Diana herself was on the verge of a divorce, of course she would be very wary (maybe even scared), because her husband was the most powerful aristocrat of the country. And public support was her own weapon to protect herself from her husband's family. I won't criticize her for craving public support. Who won't. That was the main reason of the "war of wales", I think.

However, after the divorce, without the HRH title, without the worry of custody thing, she actually became more devoted to the charity work. Even though she was losing her wealth quickly, as claimed by Queen Camilla, she still used her own money to pay several children from poor countries to do heart transplant surgery in England.
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Frances did not lose custody of her children. She had visitation rights. John Spencer was awarded primary custody because Frances cheated.

It is a myth that Diana was concerned about losing her children. Even before the separation, she was complaining that W&H preferred being with Charles.
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Frances did not lose custody of her children. She had visitation rights. John Spencer was awarded primary custody because Frances cheated.

It is a myth that Diana was concerned about losing her children. Even before the separation, she was complaining that W&H preferred being with Charles.

How could you know what Diana was concerned or not concerned about or how she felt its your opinion only


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Regardless of what the late Princess's estate is now worth and whether or not she was image obsessed, her sons will be well looked after. Both financially and emotionally I think. Prince Charles really came into his own as a father after his ex-wife's untimely death. Both princes strike me as decent young men and more of their upbringing has occurred after Diana's death. The media circus around the family was curbed considerably after she died, and that could only have been a good thing.
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