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Old 05-18-2013, 10:13 PM
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Well Anne Boleyn and her sister Mary would have had the exact same bloodline.
my friend, I say the diret boodline of anne boleyn die with elizabeth I, like the direct bloodline of Louis XVI or Nicholas II. yes they have family too, brothers, cousins etc but the direct bloodline die with them
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Today the world has embraced new royal Princesses in the form of Mary of Denmark and Maxima of the Netherlands. But it's questionable whether even these hugely popular, increasingly glamorous future Queens will ever capture the world's imagination in the same way as Diana.
As Mario acknowledges: "She really was a true Princess".
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Elizabeth didn't have kids. She was the only child of Anne . Anne bloodline descendants dyed out with Elizabeth
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I think the difference diana-ane bolena is that ane bolena's blodline die with elizabeth I, diana' blodline (she desend of charles II and james II) will continue in william and harry
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The Boleyn bloodline still lives through Mary Boleyn. In the Spencer's, therefore William, and Catherine Duchess of Cambridge

I is through Catherine Carey, Mary Boleyns daughter.

Here is one of the articles I found.

Kate and William Windsor both descend from sister of Anne Boleyn | Suite101


I was arguing that the Boleyn bloodline ( which is Anne's) does live on. The Henry/Anne bloodline died out.
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I believe, although I'm not certain, that the "Catherine is descended from Mary Boleyn" thing was disproved. The Boleyn line does live on in William though.
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Article which moves Diana to venerable from commercial icon

Royal role of Princess Diana as icon fades into history | Royal | News | Daily Express
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the boleyn bloodline maybe, but the anne's boleyn bloodline die with Elizabeth I.
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I'd be happy to see the commercialism that has surrounded Diana fade away. She'll be remembered as the mother of a king and for her work for various causes. As a former Princess of Wales, this is the way she should be remembered.

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Old 06-19-2013, 10:03 AM
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Remembering Diana: BBC 4 Radio Broadcast 4pm Today-
Remembering Diana - did Princess Diana's death lead to a major shift in British culture? Professor of Sociology, Vic Seidler, talks to Laurie Taylor about his new book which analyses the repercussions of Diana, Princess of Wales', death in 1997:
BBC Radio 4 - Thinking Allowed, Remembering Diana
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Royal role of Princess Diana as icon fades into history | Royal | News | Daily Express
Highly interesting article,well-written and honest. Thanks for sharing
I am happy that after the crazy media-hype we can talk about Diana differently, we can discuss her charity work and her personality in a more balanced,straightforward way.
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Last week, a friend of mine gave me some magazines and a newspaper that came out soon after Diana died. The reverential tone was quite something to read and brought back so many memories from that late summer of 1997. Things have turned out so differently from what was expected: Charles married Camilla; Earl Spencer doesn't seem to have had much influence in the lives of William and Harry; the British Monarchy is currently thriving; and Diana is no longer remembered as a secular "saint" but as a flawed woman who achieved remarkable things in her short life. I think that one of her great legacies is how Kate has been more gradually introduced to Royal life. Another one is that William and Harry were/are free to marry someone they really love and not only someone who has the right family background and social connections.
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Last week, a friend of mine gave me some magazines and a newspaper that came out soon after Diana died. The reverential tone was quite something to read and brought back so many memories from that late summer of 1997. Things have turned out so differently from what was expected: Charles married Camilla; Earl Spencer doesn't seem to have had much influence in the lives of William and Harry; the British Monarchy is currently thriving; and Diana is no longer remembered as a secular "saint" but as a flawed woman who achieved remarkable things in her short life. I think that one of her great legacies is how Kate has been more gradually introduced to Royal life. Another one is that William and Harry were/are free to marry someone they really love and not only someone who has the right family background and social connections.
So true. That is the power of TIME. It heals everything and anything.
Only sad part is a small (though ever-diminishing) group of fanatics dont want to come out of the shell and move on, still hanging on to their silly beliefs (or rather fantasies)..
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I've just glanced at the thread, but here are my thoughts regarding the legacy:

When she was alive she was the most known woman in the world. One could not buy milk without reading some headline about her. And she was larger than life in those brief 16 years. One need not follow royals, or give a hoot, to recognize her photo instantly and know who she was. My dad could tell you who she was in an instant.

Fast forward: people who were either not alive during that time or too young to follow her have no idea who she is, or her legacy, or anything else. My friend's much younger sister once asked her "who was Princess Diana and what was it all about?" My own kids couldn't tell you who she is - but know there's a "Kate" out there. She is relegated to that of trivia question.

So I'm afraid her legacy has already faded tremendously.
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I think it's up to parents and guardians to tell the children who the late Princess of Wales was and what she was about. It's up to the people to keep her memory alive. Continue to support her charities or even draw some inspiration and establish and support your own charitable organizations.

I think it's up to us to keep Diana's memory alive and to spead love like she did.
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I think it's up to parents and guardians to tell the children who the late Princess of Wales was and what she was about. It's up to the people to keep her memory alive. Continue to support her charities or even draw some inspiration and establish and support your own charitable organizations.

I think it's up to us to keep Diana's memory alive and to spead love like she did.
Why on earth would anyone, except her own family, feel the need to tell their children about a woman they are not related to, and who the story teller likely never even met let alone knew personally, who died before they were ever born? It just does not make sense to me why the millions of people born since 1997 should be told all about Diana. For what purpose?
Surely providing your own lifes example to your children would be more to the point if you want them to know about the importance of charity instead of talking about some long dead lady they never would know. It is one thing to idolize Diana for whatever reasons but lets let some reality into the discussion when talking about people born long after she was settled into her grave at Althrop.
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I think it's up to parents and guardians to tell the children who the late Princess of Wales was and what she was about. It's up to the people to keep her memory alive. Continue to support her charities or even draw some inspiration and establish and support your own charitable organizations.

I think it's up to us to keep Diana's memory alive and to spead love like she did.
I find Diana fascinating, but I don't talk to my children about her. For one thing, I'm not sure that she did spread love. Diana's legacy is pretty mixed. My daughter is very interested in Prince William and Catherine. I'm sure she knows who Diana was, but I think she knows about her the same way Diana fans knew who Frances was. My daughter's more interested in the next generation and she thinks Charles and Camilla are lovable grandparental figures.

I think that is the way it should be. The world moves on.

ETA: I can't believe that I forgot to mention that my daughter is also very interested in Prince Harry.
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Guys, don't get me wrong here. I'm not talking about idolizing Diana but if children wanted to know who she was, then I think it's okay to tell them about her and the charities she helped support. That she wasn't a saint or anything but she was a compassionate person who used her status as a senior royal to do good towards others. That could be one way to keep her memory alive.
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The memory of the late Princess fades, as it should. She did much good in the wider world, but much damage too, not just to the British Monarchy, but to people who knew, and trusted her.

I shall always have mixed feelings about her.
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Guys, don't get me wrong here. I'm not talking about idolizing Diana but if children wanted to know who she was, then I think it's okay to tell them about her and the charities she helped support. That she wasn't a saint or anything but she was a compassionate person who used her status as a senior royal to do good towards others. That could be one way to keep her memory alive.
I agree with your point here.

I disagree with the general idea that Diana's legacy is fading because her memory is fading. Look at the continued attacks towards Camilla on the DM - that's part of Diana's legacy. Look at how people jump every time Catherine is doing something like Diana - also part of Diana's legacy.

The problem with Diana's legacy, as I see it, is that when she's pulled out in the media it's never as Diana the Person, but rather as Diana the Saint.

We often see William, Harry, and Catherine being compared to Diana and while that's good in theory, in practice it's flawed. When the boys get compared to Charles or other family members it's more of a "William is like Charles in this, and that's good/bad," "Harry does this differently from Charles and that's good/bad," or "the boys are like this, which is different from how their dad does it, but both ways work." The comparisons are even handed and aren't made necessarily to tear down anyone.

When comparisons are made to Diana, however, it's more often a comparison to the mythical Saint Diana and not the real Diana. As a result, either the boys are built up because they're like their mother, or torn down because they aren't like her. Similarly, Catherine's built up and torn down depending on how much like Diana she is, but she's also built up and torn down based on how much the media thinks she's imitating Diana and whether or not they think that's a good thing at any given time. As we see William, Harry, and Catherine as more rounded individuals, we're placing them in what is essentially a game of roulette that they're destined to lose.
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As always, it depends on what is meant by Diana's legacy is fading. Many of the people making comparisons to Diana are over the age of 30, and most are in the 50+ category. There is no question that putting Diana on the cover will sell newspapers and magazines to people over the age of 30. But I don't see Diana on the cover of magazines targeted to teenagers.

We'll see how well the movie does. I'm not impressed by the trailer. Unless it gets really good reviews (Naomi Watts is a wonderful actress) I probably won't see it in the theaters. My daughter is not talking about that movie. If she goes, it will only be because of her interest in William and Harry.

Obviously, the producers think the movie will make money, but they did not release it during the summer blockbuster season in the U.S. when teenagers are crowding the theater. I think the movie is geared for older audiences.
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