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Her legacy is her children. Nothing can be greater than that.


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Will it his ex-wife. I mean think about it how many mens talk about their ex-wife? We don't know whether or not Charles has talked to William and Harry talks out Diana. Let remember that there were good times also! It wasn't all a bad marriage. I could see Charles talking with Harry and William about a vacation or or something funny that happened one time at Christmas when they were young or something like that
sorry my friend, I don't see him talking about diana. we knoe the kids talk about diana because they talk about this in public, but really, with a my heart I tell you this, I don't see charles talking about diana.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:26 PM
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of course, we love will and harry for theyself, but I admit, I love them more for be diana's sons
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I remember the POW saying in his first public speech after Diana's death, and I'm paraphrasing here-" It was a great loss for the boys, and I will always share in that loss."
yes, i remember but he never said ''it was a big lost for us or for me''
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when william was in the malvinas he and catherine do an act together and I ask in another forum: ''what charles think or feeling seing the diana's ring in catherine's hand'' and a very nice person answer to me one thing that let me thinkg until now, she said ''he don't feel nothing'' and looking at him I have to admit, that person was right.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:53 PM
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True, and I don't disagree with you. I just think that, given her accomplishments, and as the mother of a future king, her place in history should be a bit more concrete. Future generations should understand her place in history.


Excuse me Monika, but I really don’t understand all the fuss about remembering Diana by her ex-husband’s family. Personally, I believe the Queen has been very magnanimous to the memory of Diana. However, I expect much more when her son succeeds to the throne, and isn’t that the way it ought to be?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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This thread has kind of been all over the place lately, so I'm going to try to hit a few of the issues that have been discussed.

Anyone who thinks Diana isn't going to have a place in history has a very narrow view of history. Is she going to be taught in high school history classes? Probably not - not because of anything that she did or didn't do, but because in high school history classes it's not the "smaller" players that get taught, it's the monarchs and the prime ministers (and the people who get their names stuck on important pieces of legislature). Diana wasn't a politician and therefore she's not going to be remembered much or focused on a political history.

That doesn't mean she's going to be forgotten or fade into being just a footnote. No consort of a monarch - or for that matter of a child of a monarch - has been forgotten since William the Conqueror. No mother of a monarch since William II had been forgotten either. Diana's place in history is solid just on the grounds of who she married and who she birthed.

It's also solid on the grounds of what she did. A comment was made earlier that People is not history - but in a way, it is. People do study the history of pop culture and the history of different movements. The history of AIDS and cancer and land mines. Diana's solidified her history in that regards. History and it's studies are so vast and all encompassing that a person whose life has been as well documented as hers - both in terms of primary and secondary sources - is going to be remembered and studied for a good long time.

As for the issue of Camilla's relationship with Diana's children an grandchild(ren)... I can't help but feel that sometimes people are a bit too sensitive when it comes to Camilla and Diana. It's a well known fact that Diana hated Camilla, but it is also a fact (and one that should be well known) that William and Harry have a good relationship with their stepmother - and one that is independent of their relationship and feelings with their mother. The relationship that Camilla has with the Cambridge baby, or any future children, has absolutely nothing to do with Diana. She is not trying to fill the void left by Diana, nor could she if she did. She is merely trying to have a relationship with her stepsons and their families, as is her right to do. Her role in their lives is no different from how it would be if she were any other woman who had married a divorced man with two teenaged sons. To say that Camilla being called Granny or something similar is an attack on Diana's memory is unfair to all parties - it makes Camilla out to be this wicked woman who is determined to eradicate all memory of Diana, and it makes the boys out to be people who would easily forget their mother. Neither of this is true.

Camilla can hold some grandmotherly title (there are many) without stepping on the memory of Diana. It is very typical of children with step grandparents to refer to the step grandparent by a grandparent title - it merely simplifies things. I would expect that this child is going to grow up with one name for the Queen, one for Diana, one for Camilla, and another for Carole, just like it will have one name for Philip, one for Charles, and one for Michael. It doesn't diminish the role that any of them have.
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excuse me my friend, but in my country, in argetina and averybody know the political troubles argentina' england, in my school a couple yearsago, we have todo a posters with the most significant persons in the 20 century and one person ( not me) out a diana's picture with sandra, the kid of angolavictim of the landmines. and in the movie and tha band go on, in the end with the song ''the lans song'' of elton jonh with the people that die fot VIH and the people to work for the VIH was diana there.
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excuse me my friend, but in my country, in argetina and averybody know the political troubles argentina' england, in my school a couple yearsago, we have todo a posters with the most significant persons in the 20 century and one person ( not me) out a diana's picture with sandra, the kid of angolavictim of the landmines. and in the movie and tha band go on, in the end with the song ''the lans song'' of elton jonh with the people that die fot VIH and the people to work for the VIH was diana there.
I understand that you are from Argentina and all and I am not trying to be rude but I have a hard time reading what you are writing.
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sorry my friend, I don't see him talking about diana. we knoe the kids talk about diana because they talk about this in public, but really, with a my heart I tell you this, I don't see charles talking about diana.

We know he has photos of her in CH so why would you think he doesn't talk about his sons' mother to his sons?

I think it is very likely that he does.
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sorry my friend, I don't see him talking about diana. we knoe the kids talk about diana because they talk about this in public, but really, with a my heart I tell you this, I don't see charles talking about diana.
That's probably because he has moved on and there is no reason whatsoever to bring up his ex-wife that has been dead for almost 16 years in public. This doesn't mean he doesn't share fond memories with his sons and will do the same with his grandchildren. We have to remember too that although they were divorced, Charles was the one to fly to Paris to escort her body back to the UK and also walked behind her coffin with the boys. The marriage may have ended but I can't believe that there was hatred or animosity between them after the divorce. Some reports have said they were even reaching a comfortable friendship towards the end of Diana's life.
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I think it would be inappropriate for Charles to talk about Diana in public. It would almost seem as though he's trying to promote himself using her legacy.

Charles clearly mourned her when she died. The fact that her boys are so comfortable talking about her in public makes me feel as though she is someone they can talk to their father about. What Charles does and discusses in private is different from what he does and discusses in public - as it should be.

This child is going to hear about Diana. William and his family will make sure that it knows who Grandma Diana was.
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A wonderful and beautiful post Ish, thank you. You certainly summed up many of my feelings about the issues covered in it.



People are not history, true. Whoever said it, although I would ask have you ever read a history by chickens? History is about people, what they do, did, their impact on society, and if any on the future. Diana, Princess of Wales as you said, has left her mark. Iíll go further as surely as any monarch, and she will be remembered. Hopefully, by her sons after their elders and I are long gone! I just donít get the fuss? Hopefully Monika will be a help to me in this.



Meanwhile lives go on! Or they should anyway. I canít think of a greater gift for remembering Diana. Than in her constant encouragement of Aides and Landmine victims to get on, keep on living; for those of us without life threatening illness or gross injuries to keep on living our lives for her and to our best ability.





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I never knew either of my grandfathers. My maternal grandfather passed away before my parent's marriage. My paternal grandfather died when I was 11 months old. Mom never really talked about her Dad, and even now when she does open up about him I learn something new. But my Dad talked about his Dad all the time. My Grandmother talked about him. So even today I feel like I actually "knew" him even though I never knew him.

Yes, the baby will get to know Grandpa and Grandma Middleton and Grandpa Charles, but I do believe he or she will also come to intimately know Grandma Diana, too. They'll learn about her through stories and pictures and home movies. Just because a person isn't living anymore doesn't mean they're forgotten. Is a person ever really dead if someone is there to remember them?
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We know he has photos of her in CH so why would you think he doesn't talk about his sons' mother to his sons?

I think it is very likely that he does.
sorry, what is ch? clarence house? I never see photo of diana there
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sorry, what is ch? clarence house? I never see photo of diana there
And you have seen pictures in every single room at Clarence house?
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I understand that you are from Argentina and all and I am not trying to be rude but I have a hard time reading what you are writing.

yes!!!!!!!! my english is terrible!!! in my college, some year ago a teacher ask to us do a work about the most important people of the century 20. one people of my college do a big paper about diana's work in angola, he used a photo of diana with sandra, the girl victim of the landmines.
anyway, diana yes was a piece important in the college
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And you have seen pictures in every single room at Clarence house?
of course I not! but in my opinion, and i don't try to ofend anybody, I don't think charles have any pictures of diana in his homes.
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You are wrong - there have been many reports of photos of Diana in CH - when he did it up after the death of The Queen Mum and the boys and he went to live there.

Various people who have been through CH have also reported that there are pictures of her there.
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I understand you are from Argentina and all and I am not trying to be rude but I have a hard reading what yo are writing.



I understood Corazon pretty well, as she was sharing a school project in her native Argentina. Then I understand Pidgin really well. In fact, BritishRoyalist if I donít get my pillows just right; sleep tight or any number of such excuses. Iíll write in my native language of choice, Pidgin. Thanks to my dadís career US military service.



Historically, Pidgin is a non-written language only thanks to the Internet it is today becoming a written language and the fastest. Likewise, it was once only a working language in a multi-language area now it is becoming the language of choice of non-native speakers. Like its spoken origin, its written form has no rules either, and I hope it never does, really!



The easiest way I find to tell people how to read it is just sit back and take it slowly. If you can't really get a word or clause just skip it. Let the sentence help you understand what is being said, and don't hesitate to ask the author, if there is a real problem understanding.



While I am pretty good at understanding written Pidgin sometimes I have to ask myself... I have never had a fellow Pidgin speaker refuse to make themselves clear when I have asked. I do know some just really bad native English authors get upset, but a true Pidgin writer knows they aren't using English as a graduate or native speaker and welcomes questions, it is how we learn.


I donít feel you were very rude BritishRoyalist, it was honest You have a nice evening
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