Diana's legacy : What is left or what will be left ?

[sirhon11234]

I can't recall if Anne supported HIV people before the late Princess but they both showed support by the end of the 80s. Which was wonderful.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by sirhon11234

Stop it this isn't a playground.

I can't see why you have a problem. At one end of the scale you have the bottom feeders (normally the media) and the other end you have the people that only see a pretty frock.

[MARG]

And the members of this forum neatly club-sandwiched between.

[sirhon11234]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

I can't see why you have a problem. At one end of the scale you have the bottom feeders (normally the media) and the other end you have the people that only see a pretty frock.

Because sometimes the level of maturity here astounds me. And it has nothing to do with your post.

[TheTruth]

Maturity in Diana threads has always been a problem. It'd be amazing if one day this changed into a respectful place to exchange opinions. I guess our oldest members know too well where fights in these threads lead to. We're just asking for people to temperate their posts and think about how other people who don't believe the same things might take the comment. If everyone does that I'm sure we'll be able to relax and stop jumping on the slightest word someone wrote.

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by TheTruth

Maturity in Diana threads has always been a problem. It'd be amazing if one day this changed into a respectful place to exchange opinions. I guess our oldest members know too well where fights in these threads lead to. We're just asking for people to temperate their posts and think about how other people who don't believe the same things might take the comment. If everyone does that I'm sure we'll be able to relax and stop jumping on the slightest word someone wrote.

Well said, Kelly! I agree completely--and the lack of maturity and the overall tone of this thread is why I pretty much quit posting--but I always said that I thought she was spoiled, vindictive, and petty--with a nice tiara--while married to Charles. However, once she was able to establish her own image, seperate from his, I think she was able to mature immensely and become a better person. So, not necessarily a "hater" here, but more of a realist. Reading the last two pages of posts I am astounded at the number of persons who did not grow up in her time, so to speak, who think she was just amazing and mistreated--the fairy tale turned ugly--and none of it her fault, they mistakenly believe. Marriage is at two way street.

[sirhon11234]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

Well said, Kelly! I agree completely--and the lack of maturity and the overall tone of this thread is why I pretty much quit posting--but I always said that I thought she was spoiled, vindictive, and petty--with a nice tiara--while married to Charles. However, once she was able to establish her own image, seperate from his, I think she was able to mature immensely and become a better person. So, not necessarily a "hater" here, but more of a realist. Reading the last two pages of posts I am astounded at the number of persons who did not grow up in her time, so to speak, who think she was just amazing and mistreated--the fairy tale turned ugly--and none of it her fault, they mistakenly believe. Marriage is at two way street.

I haven't read a comment in the past 2 pages that said that Diana wasn't partly responsible for the breakdown of her marriage. IMO you and other people aren't wrong for thinking that she wasn't amazing. But by the same token, people who thought she was aren't wrong either.

[Little_star]

IMO alot of the cynicism and negativity regarding Daina is found in places like the UK. Internationally and particularly in developing countries she is often remembered for her charity work and the impact it had on people.

[sirhon11234]

A lot of the Brits that I have met, aren't fans of Diana but also aren't fans of TBRF either. Some I have met are fans of both but the majority aren't.

[Lighthouse]

I saw Princess Diana when I was a young girl in 1988 and despite the enormous crowd cheering for her she barely managed a wave. I remember commenting about this to my family at the time. I mean no disrespect but I think she was over it all at that stage.

[MARG]

And therein lies the problem. Yes she probably was "over it" but it seems she wanted it to be on her terms and she wasn't taking any prisoners.

The seperation and too long delayed divorce changed a lot of things. If I am not mistaken she and Charles had reached a rapprochement (a reconciliation involving the reestablishing of cordial relations), unfortunately, as Skydragon pointed out;

Originally Posted by Skydragon

The controversial aspects of her life will also be remembered, the passage of time is rarely kind, at least not IMO.

News, in it's millenium incarnation, is only the bad, the sad, and the unrepentant.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by sirhon11234

I haven't read a comment in the past 2 pages that said that Diana wasn't partly responsible for the breakdown of her marriage.

That's because this isn't the place for an endless rehash of the "who was to blame" finger-pointing and those posts have been (and will be) removed.

[scooter]

But Warren, it's very difficult to discuss the actual history of what took place and why certain people remember her, or regard Charles and or Camilla, in a certain way if they cannot answer why they feel that way, based upon an actual historical timeline. I am sorry that history is regarded as a 'who was to blame' finger pointing game, but history is history, regardless of the amount of whitewash applied.

[Roslyn]

I think The Truth has given us a clue, only a few posts back, as to how this might be achieved. I've discovered that people are less likely to lunge for the jugular if opinions about controversial subjects are expressed respectfully and as opinions, not fact. This applies to life generally, not just here.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by scooter

But Warren, it's very difficult to discuss the actual history of what took place and why certain people remember her, or regard Charles and or Camilla, in a certain way if they cannot answer why they feel that way, based upon an actual historical timeline. I am sorry that history is regarded as a 'who was to blame' finger pointing game, but history is history, regardless of the amount of whitewash applied.

But the big conundrum is 'What is history?' and that is an enormous question with no true answer.

There is Diana's version, Charles' version, Camilla's version, The Queen's version, my version, your version, her sons' version, any person who was alive at the time's version, those who were born after her death's version - all are different and all are valid versions of the history of the relationship.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by scooter

in a certain way if they cannot answer why they feel that way, based upon an actual historical timeline.

That doesn't appear to be what happens, unless an individual was there, their version can only be from what they have read, heard or seen and the interpretation they choose to put to it. That speaks more of them than a true representation of the very few facts anyone has.

[Patra]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

But the big conundrum is 'What is history?' and that is an enormous question with no true answer.

There is Diana's version, Charles' version, Camilla's version, The Queen's version, my version, your version, her sons' version, any person who was alive at the time's version, those who were born after her death's version - all are different and all are valid versions of the history of the relationship.

I like what you said, Iluvbertie, and the way you said it, and agree with your point of view regarding history and perspective. Thank you.