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Old 05-24-2009, 07:38 PM
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Wow. 1995.

I guess I'm blown away by the passage of time, as much as anything.

I don't think Diana thought past her the accumulation of humiliations at the hands of her husband's friends. It's one thing for an affair to take place, it's quite another to realize that your husband's friends are enjoying a good laugh by providing the hot sheets for a mistress's pleasures.

I think everyone was tossing around gasoline and matches at this juncture, and Diana joined.

I see young women in the same general age group advertised on those "Girls Gone Wild" sort of craptacular videos, and think "wow, do you imagine that those videos are going to self-destruct when your children -and their friends - come of age to choose their viewing?" The short-sightedness of youth.

At any rate, I wish she'd had a chance to grow older and find more stability in her life: to see her sons grow up. But she didn't, and it's a strange story to be told. Still being told, really.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:32 AM
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The follow-on from this post concerning James Hewitt has been moved to the James Hewitt and Diana thread.
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:56 PM
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So for me it's not a moral issue of who slept with who or of how many men she may or may not have bedded, or the undoubted worthiness and sincerity of her good works. It is the damage she directly and indirectly caused to the public standing of the Monarchy and therefore to her son's destiny and to the Queen herself. That was the ultimate disloyalty and I believe the main reason her legacy is somewhat ambivalent.
Forgive me Warren for asking this but I'm a bit still unsure of what was going on during the later years I only really know the basic but when you say the damage she caused to Monarchy do you mean through the comments she made in the Morton book and Panorama(ie, Charles not fit to be King, no on helped her) and her actions at that time but trying to upstage the Royal Family or was there more to the story. Sorry I've just always been a bit confused about all this because I've read similar things before but was just confused if it was reffering to specific event or just in general the things she did. I do agree though I don't really care who slept with who and how many times for me that's not the biggest problem either.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:50 AM
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... when you say the damage she caused to Monarchy do you mean through the comments she made in the Morton book and Panorama (ie, Charles not fit to be King, no one helped her) and her actions at that time by trying to upstage the Royal Family...
Working as an integral part of the Royal Family would have been desirable but a 'Princess Superstar' intent on her own personal agenda proved to be highly damaging.
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Oh ok, I'm assuming here by "princess superstar" you mean the agenda she took on in the later years right?Please correct me if I'm mistaken. In the beginning when DI Mania began I don't think she was trying to steal the limelight from the Royal Family. Later on well that's a different story. I would agree definitely though in the later years she seemed to take matters into her own hands and tried to be a Princess on her own instead of keeping quiet still working and doing the joint appearances with the kids which they did till the end.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:45 AM
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The term "Princess Superstar" first appeared shortly after the wedding. It summed up the intense public interest and goodwill that surrounded (or engulfed) Diana at the time.
The legacy of how she used that status, for better and for worse, is the subject of this thread.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:23 PM
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Oh ok, I get it now I wasn't familiar with that term used in that way. I have heard it used differently though when describing her later years and how she became a celebrity/princess as opposed to just a princess which she was in the beginning according to some people I've spoken to.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:18 PM
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At the beginning, she wasn't nearly the phenomenon that she became. From what I've seen, the "superstar" part really began when the world's press started following her around in the UK and then on the Australia and New Zealand tours. That would have been in 1982 and in 1983. Before William was born, there was interest of course; but it exploded a couple of years later.

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Oh ok, I get it now I wasn't familiar with that term used in that way. I have heard it used differently though when describing her later years and how she became a celebrity/princess as opposed to just a princess which she was in the beginning according to some people I've spoken to.
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Old 05-31-2009, 02:24 AM
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Ya for sure, everything I've seen states "Di Mania" began sometime in 83 during the Australia and New Zealand tour

I want to clarify about what I was trying to say is that when I said "princess superstar" I just meant I had heard people in the past use it when describing the celebrity that Diana had made herself in the later years although I am aware as Warren was trying to say, or I believe what he was trying to say is that she was using that power which she had gained over the years to be disloyal to the members of RF.
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Yes, I quite agree. She did use her celebrity for good as well, but it's too bad that she also used it in a selfish way. Had she not, she'd be remembered quite differently.

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Old 05-31-2009, 03:40 PM
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Yes, I quite agree. She did use her celebrity for good as well, but it's too bad that she also used it in a selfish way. Had she not, she'd be remembered quite differently.
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So I've heard.

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For some Diana continues to inspire. There are a lot of people that I know who have sighted Diana as one of their inspirations. I was having lunch with some of my friends last week and Diana came into our conversation and one my friends said that one of the reasons why she's training to become a nurse is because of Diana. She was so inspired by Princess' work with AIDS and Leprosy charities that she decided to become a nurse and care for people who are sick.

I just finished reading Princess Sultana's Circle by Jean Sasson, the book is the third in a trilogy called Princess, which is a series of memoirs of a Princess in the Saudi Royal family. At the end of the book the Princess mentioned Diana and how Diana inspired her to continue her efforts to help women who are mistreated.

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I believe this is part of Diana's legacy. Her legacy mirrors her life they're both complicated.
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That's a great story Sirhon! so glad you shared it with us!
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Working as an integral part of the Royal Family would have been desirable but a 'Princess Superstar' intent on her own personal agenda proved to be highly damaging.
I think its difficult for the Royal Family to handle any of the Royals carrying on their own personal agenda in public - even if the agenda itself is good or noble. They've got to make it look like they all represent the same institution or else people won't know what the institution stands for. If people don't know, then they'll start wondering why they even have it. Which is where a lot of people are now (though not all).
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Yes, I agree. Diana's work did highlight a lot of problems that people perhaps weren't so aware of until she showed up with the photographers in tow.

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Diana and her way of doing things certainly didn't fit in with the RF. Diana I think wanted to create a new kind of royalty, one more focused on being in touch with the people, but one that was also connected to celebrity.. which doesn't go well with royalty, as far traditional royalty goes anyway. Diana managed to combine royalty amd celebrity well, but generally they aren't the same, which is where she ran into difficulties with the RF. Yet, Diana's main legacy is her sons, and so her legacy will always be involved with the RF.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:07 AM
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It's interesting that Royal coverage seems to be showing up more and more under the entertainment sections of online papers. I don't like this trend, but I guess it's the world that we live in.

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Diana and her way of doing things certainly didn't fit in with the RF. Diana I think wanted to create a new kind of royalty, one more focused on being in touch with the people, but one that was also connected to celebrity.. which doesn't go well with royalty, as far traditional royalty goes anyway. Diana managed to combine royalty amd celebrity well, but generally they aren't the same, which is where she ran into difficulties with the RF. Yet, Diana's main legacy is her sons, and so her legacy will always be involved with the RF.
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For some Diana continues to inspire. There are a lot of people that I know who have sighted Diana as one of their inspirations. I was having lunch with some of my friends last week and Diana came into our conversation and one my friends said that one of the reasons why she's training to become a nurse is because of Diana. She was so inspired by Princess' work with AIDS and Leprosy charities that she decided to become a nurse and care for people who are sick.

I just finished reading Princess Sultana's Circle by Jean Sasson, the book is the third in a trilogy called Princess, which is a series of memoirs of a Princess in the Saudi Royal family. At the end of the book the Princess mentioned Diana and how Diana inspired her to continue her efforts to help women who are mistreated.



I believe this is part of Diana's legacy. Her legacy mirrors her life they're both complicated.
Sirhon this is your best statement about Diana, Princess of Wales. I really love how you stated personal as well as read comparisons to Diana's legacy. Her legacy does mirror a complicated person with goodness and badness in herself............ She was a star and a royal. A mother and a single parent. A woman and a girl.
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It's interesting that Royal coverage seems to be showing up more and more under the entertainment sections of online papers. I don't like this trend, but I guess it's the world that we live in.
interesting observation Mermaid. you're right about that. once upon a time you never would've found royalty and celebrities in the same section but now it happens all the time.
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