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Old 05-26-2015, 12:52 AM
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We must also remember that Diana was a proven liar so she isn't a reliable witness. It is perfectly possible that she lied in this interview. She had to be pushed to admit to cheating on Charles with Hewitt years after outing his cheating - conveniently forgetting that she was cheating at the same time. Her honesty is questionable at best and certainly not a person whose words can be presented as reliable evidence.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:07 AM
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We must also remember that Diana was a proven liar so she isn't a reliable witness. It is perfectly possible that she lied in this interview. She had to be pushed to admit to cheating on Charles with Hewitt years after outing his cheating - conveniently forgetting that she was cheating at the same time. Her honesty is questionable at best and certainly not a person whose words can be presented as reliable evidence.
You toke every words she said in those tape as truth, and only except that one. You make me think you just believe what you want to believe. I think you should try a little harder to find more evidence.
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Old 05-26-2015, 02:09 AM
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I have read heaps of stuff about her and I don't need to look further than I have done to have the proof that she lied about things.


Whether she lied about sleeping with Mannekee who knows as both are dead but the fact that she did lie a lot means that anything she ever said is questionable. Her version of events on everything has to be questioned given how many lies it is now proven that she told.


If she was asked to give evidence in a court of law she would classed as an unreliable witness due to the proven lies.


I don't need to search for 'evidence'. I lived through her lies and I am able to evaluate sources based on a clear criteria - a liar is always an unreliable witness in my book on every level.


Some people believe everything she said - because 'she was young and beautiful' as if 'young and beautiful' people can't lie.


Some people believe everything in the books they choose to read - but what happens when the books they read disagree with other people's books. Determining which is more reliable takes skill and one of the criteria trained people use is the veracity of the writer. Diana fails all tests of veracity and so I take everything she says with a large grain of salt.
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:40 AM
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I have read heaps of stuff about her and I don't need to look further than I have done to have the proof that she lied about things.


Whether she lied about sleeping with Mannekee who knows as both are dead but the fact that she did lie a lot means that anything she ever said is questionable. Her version of events on everything has to be questioned given how many lies it is now proven that she told.


If she was asked to give evidence in a court of law she would classed as an unreliable witness due to the proven lies.


I don't need to search for 'evidence'. I lived through her lies and I am able to evaluate sources based on a clear criteria - a liar is always an unreliable witness in my book on every level.


Some people believe everything she said - because 'she was young and beautiful' as if 'young and beautiful' people can't lie.


Some people believe everything in the books they choose to read - but what happens when the books they read disagree with other people's books. Determining which is more reliable takes skill and one of the criteria trained people use is the veracity of the writer. Diana fails all tests of veracity and so I take everything she says with a large grain of salt.

Sorry, I don't see one single evidence in your post, only full paragraph of character assassination.

Go back to the the tapes. The tape is the only evidence in the world which can prove Diana might have extramarital relations with Mannekee. Because his own wife denied her late husband had cheated on her.

On one hand Diana confessed that she had strong feeling for Mannekee, on the other hand Diana also confessed that she didn't have sexual relationship with him. Both are Diana's own words.

Therefore, anyone want to prove Diana's extramarital relationship with Mannekee, the tape should not be used as an evidence. However if the tape was not used, then there is no other evidence to prove it.
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Old 05-26-2015, 06:32 AM
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There a many reports about Diana's relationship with Mannekee from the days when he was sacked as her bodyguard because he was found in a compromising position with her - reported by those close to her in the 1980s. I do remember the reports. What that compromising position was only those who saw them know and at least two of the are dead - Mannekee and Diana. Were they sitting on a couch? Were they in bed? We know Diana lied e.g. she denied having an affair with Hewitt which was first suggested in 1989 until incontrovertible proof was provided and she had to admit it.


You don't seem to understand that one lie is enough to call into question everything a person has said. I use a lot more than just the interviews as I use sources from people who knew her and both liked and didn't like her - people who have praised her to the hilt and others who have condemned her from the first.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:16 AM
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There a many reports about Diana's relationship with Mannekee from the days when he was sacked as her bodyguard because he was found in a compromising position with her - reported by those close to her in the 1980s. I do remember the reports. What that compromising position was only those who saw them know and at least two of the are dead - Mannekee and Diana. Were they sitting on a couch? Were they in bed? We know Diana lied e.g. she denied having an affair with Hewitt which was first suggested in 1989 until incontrovertible proof was provided and she had to admit it.
First, I don't believe when the affair was first suggested in 1989, as the Princess of Wales, Diana would be allowed by the Royal Courtiers to admit publicly her relationship with Hewitt. Neither would I believe Diana would issue any public statement herself to deny her relationship with Hewitt in 1989. It is most likely the Royal press speaker's job to answer this kind of question. There is no way Diana had to answer them personally to the public. The rule for her is to keep silence. That is why when Charles and Diana admitted adultery in a TV program, it would cause so much turmoil, because they broke the rule.

Diana was not the first Royal member to have lover. I believe the rule for the Royal family to deal with this kind of rumor, no matter it is truth or not, is DENIAL until not possible to deny anymore. This is the rule.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:18 PM
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You don't seem to understand that one lie is enough to call into question everything a person has said. I use a lot more than just the interviews as I use sources from people who knew her and both liked and didn't like her - people who have praised her to the hilt and others who have condemned her from the first.
Very true. There have been several times that I'm aware of that Diana stated something that was later proven to be not true. It doesn't do one's credibility any good to be found out in untruths. One of the top of my head was at first, it was believed that Diana had no part in Andrew Morton's book when in fact, she was behind it.
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:50 PM
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Yes, Diana did tell untruths and had done so since childhood. The fact that she lied on occasion however, doesn't mean that everything that came out of her mouth, especiallyregarding her relationship with Charles and the lovers he and she both took during the marriage, was untrue.

Her deep insecurities and the fact that she did turn to other men for comfort, was due to her inner sense that she was deeply in love with her husband but he didn't love her in the same way.

Diana wouldn't have gone around denying her relationship with Hewitt when it was first hinted at in the media. The royals simply ignore that sort of Press speculation and keep mum unless and until it reaches such a level that something has to be done. (Andrew's reaction during the 'Virginia' scandal, for instance.)

The speculation about Hewitt never reached huge levels (the Press itself wanted to maintain the 'fairytale Union' for as long as possible) and so no Kensington Palace spokesmen was ever called on to implicitly deny it. At the end of the marriage Diana spilled the beans herself in the Panorama interview. She wasn't forced into it but got in there first before the story really broke. (She knew Hewitt was going to betray her by writing his version.)
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Old 05-26-2015, 09:56 PM
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Very true. There have been several times that I'm aware of that Diana stated something that was later proven to be not true. It doesn't do one's credibility any good to be found out in untruths. One of the top of my head was at first, it was believed that Diana had no part in Andrew Morton's book when in fact, she was behind it.
That one was a real doozy, too. It demonstrated beyond any doubt that Diana would lie, and in a big way, when it suited her.

I don't know about Mannekee. It's been a while since I read the reports about that allegation. It wouldn't surprise me if they had an inappropriate relationship. One thing I do know though is the fact his widow later said he hadn't had an affair is not going to persuade me one little bit. She's likely to have been the last person who would know, and she could be denying it out of self-interest.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:07 PM
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Very true. There have been several times that I'm aware of that Diana stated something that was later proven to be not true. It doesn't do one's credibility any good to be found out in untruths. One of the top of my head was at first, it was believed that Diana had no part in Andrew Morton's book when in fact, she was behind it.


One have to distinguish between misleading and lie. About Andrew Morton's book, what Diana said was she never met the author which actually is true. Because she was interviewed by a doctor as a go-between. Of course, people would misled by her words and interpreted it she had no part in the book, but technically she didn't tell a lie here.

Let's go back to the tape. She was asked whether she had sex with Mannakee, and her answer was straightforward, "NO". If one really wants to use Andrew Morton's story as evidence, then they can only suggest that Diana's answer would be misleading. But I don't see how can we have any interpretation rather than "NO" with respect to this answer.

But I think we don't need to over analyze the story. The fact is
(1) Diana denied sex relationship
(2) Mannakee's wife said no proof suggested her late husband had cheated on her.
(3) Mannakee never said anything.
(3) No witness ever came out to give evidence suggesting any sex behavior.
(Actually, Diana said in the tape that "they"(her husband's camp) had no evidence)

By the rule of "non-guilty until proved", there is no way to go on suggesting these two deceased persons had extramarital relationship, unless there is any new concrete evidence coming out.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:29 PM
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From all I've read on Diana and Mannakee is that they had a close relationship. He was there and someone to talk to and confide in and whatever else friends do. I believe too it was the first time that Diana reached out for male human companionship and that in itself, is not a bad thing. Perhaps they did get a little too close or maybe they didn't. It really doesn't matter. Mannakee was her protection officer so it stood to reason he's be around her a lot. Just as Paul Burrell who supposedly became her "rock", they were in paid services to Diana at the time.

Sadly, I think Diana was in search of a man that would constantly be by her side, dote on her and her alone and think the world revolved around her. She was eventually to go through a lot of men after Mannakee and never find what she was looking for.
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Old 05-26-2015, 10:39 PM
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IIRC, during the inquest Mannakee was listed as one of her lovers.

If there was no evidence, would the court of law have listed him as a lover?
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IIRC, during the inquest Mannakee was listed as one of her lovers.

If there was no evidence, would the court of law have listed him as a lover?

Really I never saw that have you got a copy of that


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Old 05-26-2015, 10:59 PM
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In the transcript of evidence on 21 November 2007, during questioning by Fayed's counsel Michael Mansfield of Diana's former Private Secretary Michael Gibbins, this exchange took place:

Q. So we are dealing with, if the chronology obviously is
3 right, about a month before, so sometime in June. So by
4 June 1997, were you aware that there was a level of
5 disapproval of Diana and the relationships that she had
6 had in the past?
7 A. With whom?
8 Q. Well, I can name the people if you wish. I do not want
9 to go through the list. Barry Mannakee, James Hewitt,
10 James Gilbey, Oliver Hoare, Will Carling and so on.
11 A. Yes indeed.
12 Q. Why did you ask me "with whom"?
13 A. Because you did not say who you were talking about.
14 Q. No, no. But you were aware of all of those or you were
15 aware of the disapproval and you were aware that
16 the disapproval was not just in the tabloid press, but
17 in fact was coming from the Royal Household?
18 A. I am not sure that I was directly aware of that, but by
19 inference certainly.
20 Q. Your concern was that the same might happen again in
21 relation to any visit to the Al Fayeds?

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Is that what you're referring to, Queen Camilla? Or is there another reference you had in mind? I am not aware of any other evidence along those lines, but there might be. I don't have the time to search through the transcript. I came upon the reference to Gibbins' evidence doing a quick google. If someone actually tendered a list, I'd like to read about it. I cannot imagine why it would be relevant, though.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:23 PM
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If there is really a concrete evidence, then it must have been very well known now, considered the long-time Diana-basing industry since 1998.

It is well known that Mannakee have been listed as a rumor lover of Diana, because a lot of people just believe what they were told, and there are a lot of irresponsible biographers out there.

The only substantial evidence I knew is from Hasnat Khan's statement

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I asked her if she had had an affair with Barry Mannakee and she said that he had looked after her very well.
The reason I don't think a sexual relationship exists, it is not because Diana. She was young and silly, however Mannekee was a mature man 20 years senior to Diana, who had a daughter similar age to Diana. I think he would be more self-controlled to not take advantage of a young woman.

I think that is the nature of the relationship, "he had looked after her very well".
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:25 PM
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Sorry but maybe I'm missing something but I don't see where it says she was having an affair Maybe it's just hard to read as I'm using phone app


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Old 05-26-2015, 11:40 PM
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One thing I know is that there is much more to relationships than the sexual aspect of it and that aspect should be kept private between the two people involved in the relationship. I don't believe that Diana was ever the type to be considered a slut or whatever else one would call someone that does a lot of bed hopping for the sake of a sexual relationship. If she had found herself becoming close to someone and it evolved into a physical relationship. most likely she had very strong feelings for the person and the sex was a way of expressing that. The relationships were very real to her but it was other aspects of the relationship that would eventually end it. Khan didn't want the publicity angle that came with Diana. Hoare was married. I'm not sure on all the other ones why it finally ended.

Hopefully if she had lived, she would have found someone that was the perfect fit from all angles and they would have happily grown old with each other.
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In the transcript of evidence on 21 November 2007, during questioning by Fayed's counsel Michael Mansfield of Diana's former Private Secretary Michael Gibbins, this exchange took place:

Q. So we are dealing with, if the chronology obviously is
3 right, about a month before, so sometime in June. So by
4 June 1997, were you aware that there was a level of
5 disapproval of Diana and the relationships that she had
6 had in the past?
7 A. With whom?
8 Q. Well, I can name the people if you wish. I do not want
9 to go through the list. Barry Mannakee, James Hewitt,
10 James Gilbey, Oliver Hoare, Will Carling and so on.
11 A. Yes indeed.
12 Q. Why did you ask me "with whom"?
13 A. Because you did not say who you were talking about.
14 Q. No, no. But you were aware of all of those or you were
15 aware of the disapproval and you were aware that
16 the disapproval was not just in the tabloid press, but
17 in fact was coming from the Royal Household?
18 A. I am not sure that I was directly aware of that, but by
19 inference certainly.
20 Q. Your concern was that the same might happen again in
21 relation to any visit to the Al Fayeds?

[ARCHIVED CONTENT] Hearing transcripts: 21 November 2007 - Morning session

Is that what you're referring to, Queen Camilla? Or is there another reference you had in mind? I am not aware of any other evidence along those lines, but there might be. I don't have the time to search through the transcript. I came upon the reference to Gibbins' evidence doing a quick google. If someone actually tendered a list, I'd like to read about it. I cannot imagine why it would be relevant, though.
Yes, that is it. Thanks for posting.

Diana was involved with Mannakee in 1985. He was fired because he got too close to her.

She had fired quite a few PO before she settled on Mannakee.

I too would love to see the list, especially if it list dates and times.
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Sorry still don't see anywhere that says she had an affair but hey that doesn't stop people telling stories and she's not around to sue so go for it knock your socks off I've had enough of the nasty stuff


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Old 05-27-2015, 01:44 AM
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Sorry still don't see anywhere that says she had an affair but hey that doesn't stop people telling stories and she's not around to sue so go for it knock your socks off I've had enough of the nasty stuff
One thing is a given and that is as much as Diana was in the public eye and even how much she put herself and her private life into the public eye, we're surely can see that she was no Mother Teresa. The things I find discussed here are things that do have credible sources to back them up. "Telling stories" or fabricating facts is not something that is done here.
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