Diana and Sarah's Relationship


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I think that Sarah talked about her attitude toward Charles in her autobiography. I remember her writing that she "missed" him.

TheTruth said:
. I think it's like for Diana and Andrew : they talk and like each other but it doesn't mean they are the best friends in the world.
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Diana & Sarah dressed up in police costumes:
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I think this is when they crashed Andrew's stag party.
 
zhontella said:
I read that several years ago and could not even begin to remember where now, but it was in some newspaper, and it was clear that Diana resented it.
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I read the same thing.

However, Diana resented most women who spent any time around Charles, like Kanga Tryon, Tiggy, etc.

So it's not like Fergie was a special case.
 
I think Diana and Sarah were great friends but who have had their disagreements. I don't know what happened between them to get mad at, but I believe that if Diana were alive today, they would have patched things up and be friends again.
 
I think Diana and Sarah had a complicated relationship based on living under enormous pressure and being in their 20s, new mothers, young wives and women groomed to be ladies of leisure, the original Sloane Rangers.

Sarah, by all accounts, has always had many friends and has maintained her friendships over her lifetime. The same cannot be said for Diana. Elton John has pointed out that, towards the end of Diana's life, she dumped the majority of the people who actually had her best interests in mind and hung around a lot of 'Yes' people.

Tina Brown's 'Diana' biography had a very damning allegation in it: that it was Diana who tipped off James Whitaker about Sarah's trip to the South of France with John Bryan which resulted in the 'toe sucking' scandal. Diana is gone, James Whitaker is gone, so the facts die with them...but if it's true, that was a truly cruel thing of Diana to do to Sarah. And yet, Sarah always seemed open and forgiving (she visited Whitaker the week he died).

I do like to think they would have reconciled. Their children are a testament to who they are as women, mothers and former royals.
 
:previous: I agree Lord Royal. They were jealous of one another. They each had something the other didn't have, and wanted. But I do feel that Sarah was a better friend to Diana than Diana was to Sarah.

On the night of Diana's fatal accident Sarah was reportedly frantically calling around Europe, trying to get one of her well-heeled friends to fly her to Paris so she could be with Diana. Sarah is one of the very few people who was permitted by the Spencer family and Prince Charles to pay their respects to Diana at St. James Palace Chapel.

I also think if Diana had survived the accident they would have eventually reconciled their friendship.
 
:previous: I think that with Diana's death their children show what was going on then. They have maintained the contact and mix with the same friends. Just like those early photos of them all on the ski slopes together, their children are their living legacy.

I think both Diana and Sarah are proud of their adults their children have become.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
:previous: I agree Lord Royal. They were jealous of one another. They each had something the other didn't have, and wanted. But I do feel that Sarah was a better friend to Diana than Diana was to Sarah.


I also think if Diana had survived the accident they would have eventually reconciled their friendship.
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I have never read this about Sarah, not sure how to take it. I think that she was well meaning and warm hearted but silly. Was she realistic in trying to get to Diana? Wasn't the news that Di was dead out there before she could have gone to Paris? So why go? So was it just an impulse thing.. "Oh I want to go and see darling Diana.. oh please let me.." and when it wasn't possible, she kind of shrugged it off? And of course I think that since Di's death, she has talked about her a bit like she tries to talk about the RF, in hopes that it will get her name in the papers or back into the fold of the RF..
I don't entirely blame Di for being annoyed with Sar's stupid remark about catching veruccas from Di's shoes.. you shouldn't BORROW shoes. THen agian, Diana COULD keep up a grudge, and I think she took it too far. She was really really angry with Sarah over that and I think other indiscretions.. and I'm not sure if she would have reconciled with her.. had she lived... (or with her mother). I think that was out of proportion. Its not like Sarah robbed her or hit her or hurt her kids.
And while Sarah was silly vulgar and annoying, that's who she was.. so why get so annoyed about her to the point of hating on her and breaking off her friendship completely as she seems to have done.. as in the "No Fergie at the party no matter what."

Skydragon said:
Any idea where you got this from, as the only thing I remember was Charles' distance from girls of this age group, including Sarah and Diana's friends. Of course Sarah spent a lot of her time with other men while Andrew was away, but I don't recall Charles being one of them, due as I said to the age difference.
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Never heard of this. And I wouldn't believe it. Charles liked Sarah at first, because she was jolly and outdoorsy, unlike his wife.. But she was also very silly and as someone's said, 12 years younger than him... and he preferred older people.. so I have never heard of his being friendly with her after the first year or 2 of her marrying into the RF. I'm sure given her foolish indiscretions he would have avoided her like the plague.
 
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Lord_Royal said:
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Tina Brown's 'Diana' biography had a very damning allegation in it: that it was Diana who tipped off James Whitaker about Sarah's trip to the South of France with John Bryan which resulted in the 'toe sucking' scandal. Diana is gone, James Whitaker is gone, so the facts die with them...but if it's true, that was a truly cruel thing of Diana to do to Sarah. And yet, Sarah always seemed open and forgiving (she visited Whitaker the week he died).

I do like to think they would have reconciled. Their children are a testament to who they are as women, mothers and former royals.
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I can't remember what evidence Brown cites for this. so I'm holding my judgement. We dont know if it is true. But Sarah was pretty foolish, she didn't even have the shrewdness that kept Diana loved by the papers for a long time.. She should not have BEEN toe sucking with Bryan, and while if Di tipped off the press, that was wrong, SOMEONE was likely to have let the meida know about Fergie's affair with him. I can't dislike Fergie but she is extremely silly and selfish.. at times. in a chlildsh way. I think that Diana realised that she was dragging her down, so she did cut ties with her to some extent.. And yes I think there was jealousy, She resented the fact that at first, Sarah got on much better with the royals in private life than she hd managed to do and she did fear that Sarah's intiial popularity with the press would take from her own popularity..
 
:previous: If I remember correctly, Tina Brown cites the fact that very, very few people knew of her location when she was with John Bryan in France, and the other people wouldn't have passed on the information. Diana wasn't averse to "throwing people under the bus" when it suited her, including making other people look bad in order for her to look good. It was one of her least attractive characteristics IMO.
 
I'll have to look at the book again Mermaid. But I think that there's no definitive evidence.. and it seems ab it mean to accuse her like that. It might have been the staff at Fergie's holiday home..
 
Well, Diana did do a hatchet job on Charles and the rest of the Royal Family in the Morton book and then again in the Bashir interview. As much as I admired her, I've had to admit that she did some horrible things. For that reason, I don't think it's impossible that she spilled the beans on Sarah, particularly if she was afraid that something bad was going to come out about herself. That summer of 1992 was crazy. The whole family seemed to be imploding.
 
Sarah did what Sarah did. To blame Diana without concrete evidence is foolish.
 
Mermaid1962 said:
Well, Diana did do a hatchet job on Charles and the rest of the Royal Family in the Morton book and then again in the Bashir interview. As much as I admired her, I've had to admit that she did some horrible things. For that reason, I don't think it's impossible that she spilled the beans on Sarah, particularly if she was afraid that something bad was going to come out about herself. That summer of 1992 was crazy. The whole family seemed to be imploding.
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Diana did do some horrible things and threw people under the bus when she felt in danger of damaging her image; but I don't know if I buy that she told on Sarah. I have to hear more evidence to support the claim. When exactly did this theory start? Isn't it just as likely that someone working there called the press?
 
That's what I think. Yes Diana could hit out at people, even at times if they hadn't really done anthng to her.. but I think that there seems to be no real evidence for this one. And Sara's behavior was stupid, if she didn't want to be photographed, or have someone tip off the press, do your toe sucking indoors
 
I've taken a look at the biography I have on Sarah and before that holiday at the villa at St Tropez and after the performance at Ascot that year, where she stood in the crowd with Andrew and got their daughters to wave at the Queen in her carriage, Sarah did a lot of socialising. And I mean a lot.

John Bryan was with her in Paris and later at a celebrity-filled function at Mossimens in Mayfair for example, that July. Sarah's not the most discreet person in the world. It's not unlikely that she spilled the beans there on the great little villa she had lined up for an August break. Or waiters could have overheard, or Bryan himself could have told a pal who told someone else.

In Paris Sarah met an old school friend. She could have told her, or it could have been locals at St Tropez or even gardeners/cleaning staff at the villa. The list is endless, really. How would Tina know who Diana was tipping off and why? I think it was just a guess on her part. I've read it nowhere else.
 
Poor Sarah is jsut very silly and selfish in a childish way. I think that it COULD be that Di tipped them off but there is no real evidence. and she might well have just chattered to the wrong person herself. I think that diana had more street smarts than Fergie, in many ways, and that was why she distanced herself form her...I think that she did like her at first, she was fun and lively, but when she (Diana) had been told off a bit by the papers for a few antics like bottom poking etc, I think she realised that Sarah was getting flak for being vulgar and if she stayed wtih her, as a friend, esp if thtey were both at odds wtih the RF, Fergie would bring her down in the people's estimation.
 
Mermaid1962 said:
I think that Sarah talked about her attitude toward Charles in her autobiography. I remember her writing that she "missed" him.
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Poor Sarah would say anything to try and keep herself in with the RF. I'm fairly sure that within a few years, Charles took a dislike to her, as she is silly, and had from his view been extremely brash and crass in the way she has pursued money and talked about private matters
 
:previous: I don't doubt that she would "say anything" to stay in their good graces. When Sarah first got engaged to and then married Andrew, the family and the courtiers might have thought that they could file off her rough edges and that she'd be a good friend to Diana and that they'd help each other. I think that what ended up happening is that they affirmed each other's rebellious tendencies and made existing problems worse.
 
I gather that the queen DID like Sarah, she was horsey and jolly and that was better than Diana who didn't like those sports and wasn't very cheery... But Di hoped that she would be a young lively friend who would understand what it was like to come into the RF from the outside and normal lfe.. living in a flat etc. But Fergie let the whole royal thing go to her head, and If she was an influence on Di it was a bad one. I think they got a bit competitve at times, other times they encouraged each other to be silly,
 
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Diana and Sarah had known each other for quite sometime and were good friends before Sarah met Andrew.

I remember the first time Sarah came into the public eye when Diana took her along on an official engagement (I think it was to visit the ship Andrew was working on) and Sarah turned up in a black and white check coat that she had borrowed from Diana. The press made much out of it and said how close they were as friends.

So for Diana, it would have been great to have Sarah as a sister in law and she would have had an "ally" so to speak inside the palace. There was talk back then about how the vivacious Sarah would take some of the media pressure off the more demure Diana too which would have been an added bonus.
 
True, I think that for a few years it was all fun, Di and Sarah did have a pleasant relationship.. and they were both very popular with the press and public...
 
Diana and Sarah always appeared very happy in official acts in which they appeared together. At least in the early years was so.

From 1992 they never appeared together. Are you?
 
I think by 1992, Sarah was out of the RF, and While Diana still saw her in private I think then, she was detaching herself form publicly being seen with her, because Sarah was not popular with the press public or RF by then. and after 92, their relationship got more difficult. I think that maybe Sarah felt that Diana had let her down, that she had jumped out of the RF, while Di had played it slow.. and then there was the Veruccas remark.. that made Diana take a dislike to her
 
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