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Old 05-29-2016, 10:49 PM
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That's what I think. Yes Diana could hit out at people, even at times if they hadn't really done anthng to her.. but I think that there seems to be no real evidence for this one. And Sara's behavior was stupid, if she didn't want to be photographed, or have someone tip off the press, do your toe sucking indoors
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Old 05-29-2016, 11:56 PM
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I've taken a look at the biography I have on Sarah and before that holiday at the villa at St Tropez and after the performance at Ascot that year, where she stood in the crowd with Andrew and got their daughters to wave at the Queen in her carriage, Sarah did a lot of socialising. And I mean a lot.

John Bryan was with her in Paris and later at a celebrity-filled function at Mossimens in Mayfair for example, that July. Sarah's not the most discreet person in the world. It's not unlikely that she spilled the beans there on the great little villa she had lined up for an August break. Or waiters could have overheard, or Bryan himself could have told a pal who told someone else.

In Paris Sarah met an old school friend. She could have told her, or it could have been locals at St Tropez or even gardeners/cleaning staff at the villa. The list is endless, really. How would Tina know who Diana was tipping off and why? I think it was just a guess on her part. I've read it nowhere else.
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Old 05-30-2016, 04:44 AM
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Poor Sarah is jsut very silly and selfish in a childish way. I think that it COULD be that Di tipped them off but there is no real evidence. and she might well have just chattered to the wrong person herself. I think that diana had more street smarts than Fergie, in many ways, and that was why she distanced herself form her...I think that she did like her at first, she was fun and lively, but when she (Diana) had been told off a bit by the papers for a few antics like bottom poking etc, I think she realised that Sarah was getting flak for being vulgar and if she stayed wtih her, as a friend, esp if thtey were both at odds wtih the RF, Fergie would bring her down in the people's estimation.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:17 PM
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I think that Sarah talked about her attitude toward Charles in her autobiography. I remember her writing that she "missed" him.
Poor Sarah would say anything to try and keep herself in with the RF. I'm fairly sure that within a few years, Charles took a dislike to her, as she is silly, and had from his view been extremely brash and crass in the way she has pursued money and talked about private matters
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I don't doubt that she would "say anything" to stay in their good graces. When Sarah first got engaged to and then married Andrew, the family and the courtiers might have thought that they could file off her rough edges and that she'd be a good friend to Diana and that they'd help each other. I think that what ended up happening is that they affirmed each other's rebellious tendencies and made existing problems worse.
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I gather that the queen DID like Sarah, she was horsey and jolly and that was better than Diana who didn't like those sports and wasn't very cheery... But Di hoped that she would be a young lively friend who would understand what it was like to come into the RF from the outside and normal lfe.. living in a flat etc. But Fergie let the whole royal thing go to her head, and If she was an influence on Di it was a bad one. I think they got a bit competitve at times, other times they encouraged each other to be silly,
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Diana and Sarah had known each other for quite sometime and were good friends before Sarah met Andrew.

I remember the first time Sarah came into the public eye when Diana took her along on an official engagement (I think it was to visit the ship Andrew was working on) and Sarah turned up in a black and white check coat that she had borrowed from Diana. The press made much out of it and said how close they were as friends.

So for Diana, it would have been great to have Sarah as a sister in law and she would have had an "ally" so to speak inside the palace. There was talk back then about how the vivacious Sarah would take some of the media pressure off the more demure Diana too which would have been an added bonus.
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True, I think that for a few years it was all fun, Di and Sarah did have a pleasant relationship.. and they were both very popular with the press and public...
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Diana and Sarah always appeared very happy in official acts in which they appeared together. At least in the early years was so.

From 1992 they never appeared together. Are you?
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I think by 1992, Sarah was out of the RF, and While Diana still saw her in private I think then, she was detaching herself form publicly being seen with her, because Sarah was not popular with the press public or RF by then. and after 92, their relationship got more difficult. I think that maybe Sarah felt that Diana had let her down, that she had jumped out of the RF, while Di had played it slow.. and then there was the Veruccas remark.. that made Diana take a dislike to her
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:42 AM
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Ah well, yes, if only they had stuck to poking bums with umbrellas. .. *sigh*
I can't help feeling that perhaps that was the start of the end for Diana, though. I think that prior to Fergie joining the RF, she didn't do much wrong in public. Then she had an ally of sorts, and she was young and had been cooped up for years, so I think that Sarah's lively personality led her into very silly antcs like the stag do and the bottom poking, in public that led Di to get a bit of criticism when she had previously had very littte. And maybe S's problems with Andrew and the RF led to her and Diana getting together and talking about the RF and complaining and then plotting to leave. Maybe without that alliance, Di would not have tried to leave...
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:47 PM
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I think that Sarah talked about her attitude toward Charles in her autobiography. I remember her writing that she "missed" him.
I suspect that Was Sarah just trying to make out that she had been more close and "In" with the RF than had been the case. Di was her friend and I can't imagine Charles really taking to Hearty Hoorayish Sarah.
I think there's an anecdote about Charles saying dismissively about his wife and sister in law who were laughing at some silly thing, "Litlte things please little Minds."
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:21 PM
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I suspect that Was Sarah just trying to make out that she had been more close and "In" with the RF than had been the case. Di was her friend and I can't imagine Charles really taking to Hearty Hoorayish Sarah.
I think there's an anecdote about Charles saying dismissively about his wife and sister in law who were laughing at some silly thing, "Litlte things please little Minds."
But wasn't Sarah's father Charles' polo manager? If that's correct, she had probably known him quite well for many years. In those circumstances I can understand why she would miss him although I agree, she does seem to be the antithesis of Charles' usual friends.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:28 PM
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But wasn't Sarah's father Charles' polo manager? If that's correct, she had probably known him quite well for many years. In those circumstances I can understand why she would miss him although I agree, she does seem to be the antithesis of Charles' usual friends.
Major Ronald Ferguson was Charles' polo manager. I wouldn't stretch it far enough to say that Sarah would have known Charles quite well during those years though. Like Diana and the connection between the Spencers and the BRF, they were familiar with each other but no definite real bond formed until both Sarah and Diana respectively entered their own periods of courtship, engagement and then marriage with a son of the monarch.

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Yes, I doubt that Charles saw much of Sarah at all before the marriage. She might have come up for a cheery 'Hello' at the polo club and that would have been it. Sarah's pals before marriage were urban 'Hooray Henry' sort of people and Charles's friends weren't, so they didn't have mutual friends in common.

Like the rest of the family Charles probably responded to Sarah's breezy good humour at first. After all, she adored horse riding, was never averse to a walk in the rain in muddy gum boots, could join in the chatter about deer stalking etc. There was the supposed remark by Charles to Diana viz "Why can't you be more like Sarah?"

However, I do think the gilt came off the gingerbread very quickly as far as Charles was concerned. There were not only the silly incidents and the vulgarities, even before the infidelities came to light.

Sarah is not intellectually inclined, (I doubt she was a fan of anyone like Laurens van der Post), and is the reverse of introspective. I have a suspicion that her bouncy, determinedly enthusiastic manner could become wearing very quickly, and I think Charles's consistent 'glass half empty' and Eeyore attitude to life would cut no ice with his sister in law. These two quickly had nothing much to say to each other IMO!
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I would say Anne was not a fan of Sarah either...or Diana for that matter. She seems to like Kate though. I've never been sure about Camilla.

Wasn't Sarah off living elsewhere for several years with that race car driver? Can't imagine she saw much of Charles.

She and Diana could of done some great things together and been a great support to one another...a shame it didn't work out that way.





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Anne was supposed to have remarked of Sarah after her first few meetings that she "seems a very nice girl." Of course, at the beginning, the royal family were very pleased, I'm sure, that here was someone who fitted into the lifestyle of Balmoral and Sandringham extremely well. The rough edges could be smoothed out, they felt.

I've never noted that Anne seems close to Kate. However, with Diana I don't think the two of them had anything in common at all, really, not in hobbies, emotional nature, ways of looking at the world, fondness for horses, the countryside, anything. She was supposed to have once spoken about writing to Charles about his sarcastic attitude to things Diana said, but that was it.
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Old 06-21-2016, 01:59 AM
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I would say Anne was not a fan of Sarah either...or Diana for that matter. She seems to like Kate though. I've never been sure about Camilla.

As one of Zara's godparents is Andrew Parker Bowles, I'm going to guess that Anne probably gets along fairly well with Camilla.

It's not really a slight against Diana or Sarah that Anne gets along with Camilla when she didn't do so with Diana or Sarah - they were a fair bit younger and had very different interests. Camilla is closer in age and has more similar interests with Anne. Not to mention the fact that they've developed a relationship outside of that of just sisters-in-law - Anne has known Camilla likely as long as Charles, as she's been friends with APB since 1970 and was a guest at Camilla and APB's wedding.
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I don't think her being the daughter of C's polo manager made her close to Charles.. In fact I think that Ron F was considered pretty much "staff" and not really part of C's circle.. just someone who worked for him.

I think that at first the RF DID as a whole like Sarah, because she was more horsey and lively, than Diana had proved to be.. and Charles may have had a brief time of liking her a bit and thinking she was good natured and fun, which she problaby is, in small doses and that she liked country horsey stuff unlike his wife.
But Id' say that yes, he got fed up with her very quickly.. SHe is very silly, vulgar and loud, and I think within a few yars, he and the others were fed up with the silliness, the prankishness, and She was less inot country sports by then and very very "spendalholic".
He problaby would have seen her as a silly woman who encouraged his wife in silly antics..
As for Anne, I don't think she was fond of either Di or Sarah, again, saw them as foolish, not really up to their job as princesses and perhaps she resented that she did a lot of work for the RF, and they got more notice just for being attractive and well dressed in Di's case or just being lively and funny in Sarah's.. while doing less work and being increasingly indiscreet.
I have read that Anne considered writing to Charles about his attitude to his wife, so I'm not srue if that was about his being dismissive of hr or his affair.. but I don't know.. It doesn't seem very like Anne to care very much..
I don't know if she gets on with Cam, but probably she has more in common with her than she ever had with Diana or Sarah
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Re sarahs' relationship with Paddy McNally, I don't know if she actualy lived with him. I think that they were a recognised couple and she spent a lot of time with him, but she was living and working in London and socialising with her own pals and occasionally with Royal connextions I suppose. She is a cousin of Robert Fellows who is Di's brother In law and worked for the queen. So she might turn up at a few royal occasions but not be well known or close to Charles.
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