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Old 04-02-2019, 12:21 PM
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I had thought about that too. Two sides of the same coin. The only difference I can see here really is that, at the time, Hewitt was actively serving in the military.
the difference was that J Hewitt was a selfish brainless unreliable man who showed how little he cared for Diana, and how was using her for ego boosting and to make money...
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:28 PM
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It's hard to say how many took Diana's skeletal appearance for granted; in the sense of consuming very little calories coupled with bulimia is not necessarily life threatening..but has the potential to be. Apart from the time she once careened down a flight of stairs, various red flags were apparent. It's conceivable she could have lost her life early on.

Her riding pictures reveal largely skin and bone when they first met. Surely he communicated this gently to her as well? From the mid 80's onward she eventually restored her physique and health. Most often this is attributed to the help of 'experts'. It is curious that Hewitt's name is not among them.
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Old 04-07-2019, 05:15 AM
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It's hard to say how many took Diana's skeletal appearance for granted; in the sense of consuming very little calories coupled with bulimia is not necessarily life threatening..but has the potential to be. Apart from the time she once careened down a flight of stairs, various red flags were apparent. It's conceivable she could have lost her life early on.

Her riding pictures reveal largely skin and bone when they first met. Surely he communicated this gently to her as well? From the mid 80's onward she eventually restored her physique and health. Most often this is attributed to the help of 'experts'. It is curious that Hewitt's name is not among them.
well las time I looked James Hewitt wasn't an expert in anything but (as I believe he put it himself horses and sex). I would be puzzled to see what role he had in "restoring Diana to health"....
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Old 04-07-2019, 05:37 PM
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Being raised around equines, imo gave him an extra dimension beyond the average Army officer. There is a great deal of caring and nurturing of horses, where they often develop errant behaviors depending on many factors. During their mornings of riding, he was astute enough to understand that Diana was not as centered as she could be, yet did enjoy outings enough to share conversation and take further lessons. Done gradually, it was a crucial part of regaining a positive outlook for herself.

It probably did not escape her notice (?) that hewitt was an amiable fellow, had a sense of humor, fine health and vigorous constitution.

Business deals that sour are one thing, but flunking Army exams reinforced the idea that he wasn't Oxford material. Previously informed he would not have to take them - in an acting position of major. His notoriety caused a reversal on this. Big part of the exams....Battlefield tactics, which he had firsthand knowledge. [ 'Fail' grade by 1% ] ..


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Old 04-08-2019, 12:57 PM
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I suppose he's the only army officer who knows about horses?
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:31 PM
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I really don't think Hewitt was an expert on anything really and being an expert at something never came into play as to why Diana was attracted to him. I'd even wager that the biggest reason for his attraction was simply that he was there and available. IIRC, he was hired to teach Diana (and William?) to ride.

It was at a point in her marriage where she had little ones and a husband that seemed to always be off somewhere working. She was lonely, down in the dumps and insecure. Then, there he was. Hewitt the knight in shining armor who listened to her, talked to her, paid attention to her and she fell like a ton of bricks for the guy.
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:40 PM
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I really don't think Hewitt was an expert on anything really and being an expert at something never came into play as to why Diana was attracted to him. I'd even wager that the biggest reason for his attraction was simply that he was there and available. IIRC, he was hired to teach Diana (and William?) to ride.

It was at a point in her marriage where she had little ones and a husband that seemed to always be off somewhere working. She was lonely, down in the dumps and insecure. Then, there he was. Hewitt the knight in shining armor who listened to her, talked to her, paid attention to her and she fell like a ton of bricks for the guy.
I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe that Hewitt said that he "knew about horses and sex", the implication being that he didn't know much else.
I think that its true that Diana fell for Hewitt because he was there, to an extent. In her situation, although she was a very lovely young woman, she was very isolated by her position. Men might admire her, but at that time, I think most men would be intimidated by her position and her marriage. I don't think many men would have made a pass at her. It might lead to very unpleasant complications. She wasn't just a royal wife.. she was the future Queen, the wife of the Prince of Wales. She was the wife of a man who famously "could not get a divorce." I think that a lot of people would have felt it was quite unthinkable for "the Princess of Wales" to have an affair...at that particular time.

I think even Hewitt who was not reflective or intelligent, was a bit unnerved at times that he had actualy had the audacity ot end up in an affair with Diana Princess of Wales..
But I think he was egotistical enough mostly to just think "Wow I've scored here, I have a rich royal lady as my girlfriend and she's crazy about me..."
So while I think diana did fall for him a bit, a lot of it was "he was there and he was ready to make love to her and keep her happy" while other men might be intimidated by the whole situation of being attracted to this particular woman....
She was lonely, Charles was busy with his work or his mistress. Her children were loved but too small to be full time companions and she needed someone and JH was ready to become her lover....
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:01 PM
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well he was the one who made it public... with his hints to the Pres and then his little book....
He mentions the Pasternak book as something that to this day wishes he hadn't participated in. This is not to suggest that the following will change anyone's mind, but it might help illustrate some of the backdrop and confusion of how it unfolded. He emphasizes the point well that 'Princess in Love' is his greatest regret :

"In June 1992 the Sunday Times began to serialize the Andrew Morton book. Morton had written to me asking if I would talk to him about the Princess but I had declined. Diana's attitude had always been: 'Do what you like.' The book alluded to my friendship with her and related how she was entertained by my parents in Devon while the boys went riding with me. I could have told him that my parents had long been separated and the boys didn't go riding with me.'

"Some of Diana's friends did speak to the author. Carolyn Bartholomew, who had known her since they were at school, seemed to be the person who gave the most sympathetic account of the Princess's problems. She knew all about Diana's illness, the disaster of her marriage and most things about the relationship with me. When the book was published and people wanted to know whether Carolyn had let Diana down by talking to the author, Diana made a point of going along to Carolyn's house and embracing her for a pre-arranged press photo. But the truth was to later to emerge that the main source for much of the book was Diana herself. In fact, it seemed most likely that the whole project was her idea. She recorded a series of tapes, which a friend then passed on to Andrew Morton.

"The revelations were instrumental in at last securing her separation from Prince Charles at the end of the year. I telephoned her to say how happy I was she had found her freedom."

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Old 04-13-2019, 07:38 PM
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...Prior to working with Pasternak, Hewitt endured a soul searching trek across sections of Africa, in part from a desire to put his Army career behind him, and storybook romance as well.

"In fact, just by travelling through the continent, you realize more than ever that you are a mere speck in the universe. There are many greater problems in the world than your own petty problems.

"In one respect the expedition had failed. I had been unable to get Diana out of my mind, let alone out of my system. I knew I never could and never would. But I was able to put things into perspective. She called me early in 1994 and said I had to do something about all the innuendo that was recycling itself about us in the papers. People felt free to invent what they wanted. According to one paper, Diana and I were living together at my cousin's house in Fulham. In fact, she didn't even know the place existed. ..Counsel on how to stop such stories was not optimistic -- there was nothing Fleet street would like more than to go to court because it meant that Diana would have to appear. Was I prepared to do this? I said I wasn't. The press knew this and that was why they kept going after me.

"Diana urged me to give an interview with Richard Kay in the hope that this would put a stop to the speculation. After my experience in the Gulf I wasn't sure. But I did give a long interview to Anna Pasternak (whom I knew through friends) in the Daily Express about my friendship with the Princess. This was an error. I was held up to ridicule by other papers for the fact that I said nothing new -- merely repeated the same old story which they knew to be false. The Palace, Downing Street, Fleet street, and many others were aware of the true facts of our relationship."

"Anna said she would like to write a book which would present Diana and myself in a sympathetic light without any tabloid spin. I thought about it for several days and nights. Nothing could be as bad as the press I was now getting. Truth, I reasoned, must be the the best way forward. So I agreed to it. But it proved to be the biggest mistake of my life."
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:09 AM
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Its a bit late to regret it once he's done it.. and he was clearly always working towards the idea of selling the story, with his borrowing a journalists phone.. dropping hints about the fact that he received letters from Diana etc.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:24 AM
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A general assumption rests on the premise that he had it in mind to cash in on the relationship from the outset, with the eventual Pasternak book a natural progression. However, left out of the argument is that he considered the option of shooting himself after it transpired. The narrative of an unfeeling self serving fellow devoid of scruples and conscience is how the public began to perceive him. And more importantly they do not allow for redemption. Fwiw..

"I told Diana that Anna was doing a book on me. She seemed unconcerned. After Anna submitted some early material, they came back and said it wasn't what they wanted. They needed much more detail. Anna said she was certain she could find a way around this. She wrote quickly---a new draft was submitted in just over a month. She rang me to say that the book was no longer a documentary account of my life and Diana's role in it, but had become a love story. I said this sounded wrong to me. We should meet as soon as possible.

'Anna and her mother arrived at the village which was a halfway point between our houses. The three of us sat in a corner of a field and we discussed it backwards and forwards. I said that I was not at all happy about this. I had spoken to Diana and neither was she. I didn't want it published. I was prepared to give the publisher's advance back.

'Both Anna and her mother were now in tears. Anna said the book had gone too far and it was too late to stop it. She asked for Diana's telephone number to assure her the book would not be harmful. I didn't give her the number, but Anna's desire to do this and fact that both she and her mother had such utter conviction that what Anna had written would be nothing but beneficial was finally persuasive. So I agreed that I would not try and stop it being published -- not that I could since I had no contract with the publisher.

'But I knew in my gut it was wrong. The story broke in early October '94 that a book was to be published in which I confirmed that I had an affair with Diana and the press were on my back as never before."

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Old 07-10-2019, 03:40 AM
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"There was no place to hide in England so I drove to Plymouth. My mother insisted on coming although I tried to persuade her not to. We crossed to Cherbourg on the Normandy coast, and went south into Bordeaux. The book was published that week in Britain. It caused a sensation far greater than my worst fears.'

"I got hold of a day-old copy of the Guardian. Under the front-page headline 'ROYALS MADE LAUGHING STOCK'. The paper reported that the whole print run of 75,000 copies of 'Princess in Love' had sold out in a day. To my amazement -- the publishing director of Burke's Peerage had announced..

' We are extremely close to the end of the House of Windsor. ' "

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Old 09-22-2019, 12:13 AM
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Was Hewitt Royal ? ?

As someone who doesn't experience 'day to day' life in Britain, I find some of the negative perceptions of the public a little confusing on a number of fronts. It seems to matter a great deal if someone is hung out to dry in press or public...partly as a result of how things can snowball without a title, or royal connection to act as a kind of moat, or defense. Especially in light of an intimate friendship with a Princess royal, as it happened here.

What worked in his favor as far as I can tell, was that he was able to casually carry himself in a manner 'worthy' of royalty. Comfortable in his own skin, with an easy grace, and not insecure around others..Diana or Charles. In that sense, he never really was an ordinary bloke, awkward or awestruck by anyone. Notwithstanding the moniker of 'ice man' from fellow soldiers, not much praise is accorded him for having a cool demeanor, which must've caught and held Diana's attention. Steve McQueen was probably a genius, but not so much Hewitt.

Of course, when the affair became celebrated in print, details in the book further digested, the whole house of cards pretty much collapsed, where virtually nothing was seen as favorable about him, or good natured. Still, back then without a luminous career, or background, he managed to impress others, not just Diana. Charm, confidence, and horsemanship came naturally, and this is how Charles came to regard him as well.

I respect that others see it differently, and that's fine.

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I think that its true that Diana fell for Hewitt because he was there, to an extent. In her situation, although she was a very lovely young woman, she was very isolated by her position. Men might admire her, but at that time, I think most men would be intimidated by her position and her marriage. I don't think many men would have made a pass at her. It might lead to very unpleasant complications. She wasn't just a royal wife.. she was the future Queen, the wife of the Prince of Wales. She was the wife of a man who famously "could not get a divorce." I think that a lot of people would have felt it was quite unthinkable for "the Princess of Wales" to have an affair...at that particular time.

I think even Hewitt who was not reflective or intelligent, was a bit unnerved at times that he had actualy had the audacity to end up in an affair with Diana Princess of Wales..
But I think he was egotistical enough mostly to just think "Wow I've scored here, I have a rich royal lady as my girlfriend and she's crazy about me..."
So while I think diana did fall for him a bit, a lot of it was "he was there and he was ready to make love to her and keep her happy" while other men might be intimidated by the whole situation of being attracted to this particular woman....
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Old 09-22-2019, 07:03 AM
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Was Hewitt Royal ? ?

As someone who doesn't experience 'day to day' life in Britain, I find some of the negative perceptions of the public a little confusing on a number of fronts. It seems to matter a great deal if someone is hung out to dry in press or public...partly as a result of how things can snowball without a title, or royal connection to act as a kind of moat, or defense. Especially in light of an intimate friendship with a Princess royal, as it happened here.

What worked in his favor as far as I can tell, was that he was able to casually carry himself in a manner 'worthy' of royalty. Comfortable in his own skin, with an easy grace, and not insecure around others..Diana or Charles. In that sense, he never really was an ordinary bloke, awkward or awestruck by anyone. Notwithstanding the moniker of 'ice man' from fellow soldiers, not much praise is accorded him for having a cool demeanor, which must've caught and held Diana's attention. Steve McQueen was probably a genius, but not so much Hewitt.

Of course, when the affair became celebrated in print, details in the book further digested, the whole house of cards pretty much collapsed, where virtually nothing was seen as favorable about him, or good natured. Still, back then without a luminous career, or background, he managed to impress others, not just Diana. Charm, confidence, and horsemanship came naturally, and this is how Charles came to regard him as well.

I respect that others see it differently, and that's fine.
was Hewitt Royal?? No he certainly wasn't. I don't know of any evidence that he was seen as favourable at any stage. He filled a need in Diana's life.. and Charles was willing to tolerate him.. because he thought that as an army officer, Hewitt would know how to behave when involved in an illicit relationship.. and that he would kepe Diana happy and understand the absolute need for discretion.. but sadly Charles was wrong
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.. and Charles was willing to tolerate him.. because he thought that as an army officer, Hewitt would know how to behave when involved in an illicit relationship.. and that he would kepe Diana happy and understand the absolute need for discretion.. but sadly Charles was wrong

Discretion is a legitimate point. But notice how the Morton saga did not taint Diana in nearly the same way...certainly not the shellacking Hewitt underwent, to the point of being 'shunned' by the country.
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Discretion is a legitimate point. But notice how the Morton saga did not taint Diana in nearly the same way...certainly not the shellacking Hewitt underwent, to the point of being 'shunned' by the country.
It was hardly the same. Hewitt was Diana's lover..Charles as I've said, probably tolerated the affair because he believed that Hewitt was well up enough on upper class protocol to understand that he msust be discreet and not put his ladyfriends reputation in danger..
But Charles was wrong.. and JH's outing their affair was done for money..and fame..and was considered ungentlemanly.
and he didn't stop at one or 2 books, he has gone on to have a "career" of appearnaces on TV and in reality shows, and in sleazy further "revelations" about the affair
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It was hardly the same. Hewitt was Diana's lover..Charles as I've said, probably tolerated the affair because he believed that Hewitt was well up enough on upper class protocol to understand that he msust be discreet and not put his ladyfriends reputation in danger..
But Charles was wrong.. and JH's outing their affair was done for money..and fame..and was considered ungentlemanly.
and he didn't stop at one or 2 books, he has gone on to have a "career" of appearnaces on TV and in reality shows, and in sleazy further "revelations" about the affair
I've wondered since whether Charles really was wrong.
Perhaps he didn't tolerate the affair because he thought Hewitt would be discreet, but because, if it ever leaked, it would damage Diana's saintly reputation.

After all. Charles couldn't afford for Diana to be seen as blameless throughout their marital discord. If Diana was having a sleazy affair, it would be harder to condemn Charles and Camilla.
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I've wondered since whether Charles really was wrong.
Perhaps he didn't tolerate the affair because he thought Hewitt would be discreet, but because, if it ever leaked, it would damage Diana's saintly reputation.

After all. Charles couldn't afford for Diana to be seen as blameless throughout their marital discord. If Diana was having a sleazy affair, it would be harder to condemn Charles and Camilla.
you really think that Charles wanted his wife's affair to come out?
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you really think that Charles wanted his wife's affair to come out?
Maybe he thought of it as insurance?
In case his relationship with Camilla was ever revealed?
If she was having an affair with Hewitt, Diana wasn't in a position to criticize Charles and Camilla, was she?

And I'm certain her indiscretions eroded her popularity to an extent.
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Maybe he thought of it as insurance?
In case his relationship with Camilla was ever revealed?
If she was having an affair with Hewitt, Diana wasn't in a position to criticize Charles and Camilla, was she?

And I'm certain her indiscretions eroded her popularity to an extent.
Yes but the difference is that Diana had the affair with Hewitt because Charles was with Camilla. Hewitt himself even said that if Charles had cared for her and wanted his marraige to work she would never have been with him or anyone else.
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