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Old 03-27-2019, 02:09 PM
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From what I've read over the years, this space of time during the Gulf war was perhaps the only place in the Diana/Hewitt story that he showed having any of a backbone to him. It was reported that Diana was *not* happy that Hewitt was going off on a tour of duty to the Gulf and wanted to pull strings to get him out of it and keep him by her but he was adamant about serving.

Out of sight, out of mind and with Hewitt no longer available, the relationship quickly changed and it spiraled downwards from that point on.
Not the case as far as I know. Their relationship had actually ended, because he had insisted on going to Germany.. a while before. It renewed because of his service in the Gulf.. so it was not case of "out of sight out of mind" at all. She and Hewitt were in touch, and wrote to each other. She sent him gifts and it was then that he began to drop hints to journalists about his affair with her
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:01 PM
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He doesn't really sound like a guy indifferent to publicity about his life back then with Diana. When the moment arrived and 'News of the World' dropped the bombshell, Army brass of course, took notice. So one day an adjutant took him off to the side, handing him the front section, pages long, article.
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"I looked at the front page that read: "I LOST MY LOVER TO DI". There was a picture of Diana, and beside her an old girlfriend who had written to me in the Gulf.

"I just froze. This was the moment I had been dreading for more than four years, and it was more heart stopping than anything I had come up against in the past weeks. I took the paper out to the desert to read it. Today I am a little more acquainted with the ways of the tabloid press and accept much of it as pure fiction. At the time I innocently believed what I read, that Emma Stewardson had gone to the News of the World, to say that she and I were lovers (this was not true -- we had been lovers but the relationship was long over).

"There were pages of the stuff..Emma had been dressed up to look like Diana -- same hair, jewellry, and pose. I wondered what had possessed her to do this. She had often been changeable in her moods when I knew her but she had never been downright spiteful.

'I had to talk to Diana. This was not at all easy from the desert but there was a Ptarmigan field telephone that linked up with other connecting nodes which could eventually be patched through to London.

'..I told her I had just seen News of the World. She said she had seen it, too. I told her I was terribly sorry -- I wanted to know what the reaction had been there. She said nobody was saying much. She said she wasn't too worried about it. In retrospect she seemed remarkably cool. She hoped I wasn't getting too much stick about it. I said my worst concern was just sitting here in the desert not being able to do anything to help. Diana told me not to be worried and we both sort of reassured each other that it would blow over and everything would be all right. But we both knew this would not be so."
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:13 AM
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Thanks for the correction about Germany. I'd totally forgotten about that. Its been quite a while since I've read anything on Diana and Hewitt.

Once the news of the affair did become public, there was no closing that Pandora's box ever again and the relationship went into its decline.

I do have Hewitt's "Love and War" here but haven't really read much of it yet. Perhaps I should put it on my list of things to do this week.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:18 PM
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well he was te one who made it public... with his hints to the Pres and then his little book....
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:50 PM
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Can't argue with that. Its what branded him as a cad from that point forward.
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:51 PM
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Can't argue with that. Its what branded him as a cad from that point forward.
There certainly is a concensus, but cad is an oversimplification. It probably isn't possible for the public to grasp him in any other manner. Worth noting however..

Hewitt loved Diana as much, and longer than anyone she'd ever known. Ultimately she tired of him and believed there were better suitors. She came close to finding that. I don't think he fell in love after her. That part of him is ignored.

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Old 03-30-2019, 12:01 AM
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Hewitt loved Diana as much, and longer than anyone else she'd ever known. Ultimately she tired of him and believed there were better suitors than him. She came close to finding it. I don't think he fell in love after her. That part of him is ignored.
This is what leads me to believe that Diana never got past the "fairy tale" or dime store romance kind of love where she was adored, put on a pedestal and practically worshipped as a goddess. The real, enduring love of give and take and compromise and working together towards a common goal never really entered into the picture with her.

Basically, I think Diana was in love with the idea of being in love and the rush of adrenaline and emotion that a newly found romance brings. Forever and ever with the good, the bad and the ugly wasn't in her wheelhouse whatsoever.
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:00 AM
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do you think she should continue to love someone who clearly abused her love and made money out of hteir affair? J Hewitt was never up to much...but given the difficulties of her finding a lover In her situation, he was some sort of solution. when he began to use their relationship to get money and fame for himself, it is hardly surprising that she got tired of him and angry with him and ended the affair. Why should she "continue to be in love" and try to make compromises with a man who sold their story for money?
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:22 AM
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There certainly is a concensus, but cad is an oversimplification. It probably isn't possible for the public to grasp him in any other manner. Worth noting however..

Hewitt loved Diana as much, and longer than anyone she'd ever known. Ultimately she tired of him and believed there were better suitors. She came close to finding that. I don't think he fell in love after her. That part of him is ignored.

youtubecutter.com/watch/76b13c01/
If he loved her he would have kept quiet about their affair, He would not have sold the story for money nor gone on years after her death, makng a career out of talking about her.
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:23 AM
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I was actually working on the the idea that stated that Diana tired of the relationship and went on to greener pastures. Hewitt was put out to pasture so to speak and going public with the relationship kind of sealed the envelope on that romance.
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:58 AM
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If he loved her he would have kept quiet about their affair, He would not have sold the story for money nor gone on years after her death, makng a career out of talking about her.
You are so right! What is all the story about him and prince Harry, it was always comments that it was his child and no Charles. Anyway he got karma, he never married or have children. Now one thing I do not understand whit all the money that he made sellinghis story how is possible he was living with his mother in a 2 bed flat
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Old 03-30-2019, 05:24 AM
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You are so right! What is all the story about him and prince Harry, it was always comments that it was his child and no Charles.
It was malicious gossip based on Harry's red hair (like Hewitt's) whereas Harry's hair comes from the Spencer family, which has a strong red hair gene (eg Diana's father, her brother Charles & her sister Sarah)
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Old 03-30-2019, 05:44 AM
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I was actually working on the the idea that stated that Diana tired of the relationship and went on to greener pastures. Hewitt was put out to pasture so to speak and going public with the relationship kind of sealed the envelope on that romance.
really? Even though it was Hewitt who began to drop hints about the affair when he was in the Gulf, talking loudly about how he had letters from home and waving them about.. and borrowing a journalist's mobile phone to call Diana.
He was not "put out to pasture", he was clearly being indiscreet and starting to think of how best he could exploit the relationship for financiail gain.. and before very long he did get Anna Pasternak to write his book about the affair.
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Old 03-30-2019, 06:20 AM
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It was malicious gossip based on Harry's red hair (like Hewitt's) whereas Harry's hair comes from the Spencer family, which has a strong red hair gene (eg Diana's father, her brother Charles & her sister Sarah)
Yes that is very true and he has a line of red hair through his mother and I was thinking Meghan's father was red hair too I believe so their baby might has a chance of red hair !
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It was malicious gossip based on Harry's red hair (like Hewitt's) whereas Harry's hair comes from the Spencer family, which has a strong red hair gene (eg Diana's father, her brother Charles & her sister Sarah)
The Spencer family has been known for their red hair for well over 150 years. Diana was the only one of her father's four children to NOT have red hair and there are several redheads amongst the grandchildren.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:12 AM
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J Hewitt was never up to much...but given the difficulties of her finding a lover In her situation, he was some sort of solution.
My goodness... a pretty begrudging view of things that took place then, if one looks at the quality of her life before....and after Hewitt. Ex., for a period of years Diana was gripped by a chronic type of depression. With support and patience he helped her conquer much of that. One of his rewards for it was an Army superior in Germany targeting and calling him to the carpet, then handing out punishment for one of the most ridiculous minor infractions.

With it being common practice to relate and empathize with a great number of circumstances that affected Diana, that thinking might also be helpful to understand others close to her. To walk a mile in his shoes should not be extraordinarily difficult, or as scarce a thing as it is this many years later.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:30 AM
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My goodness... a pretty begrudging view of things that took place then, if one looks at the quality of her life before...and after, Hewitt. Ex., for a period of years Diana was gripped by a chronic type of depression. With support and patience he helped her conquer much of that. One of his rewards for it was an Army superior in Germany targeting and calling him to the carpet, then handing out punishment for one of the most ridiculous minor infractions.

With it being common practice to relate and empathize with a great number of circumstances that affected Diana, that thinking might also be helpful to understand others close to her. To walk a mile in his shoes should not be extraordinarily difficult, or as scarce a thing as it is this many years later.
The UK Army takes things quite seriously and there are two very good reasons that Hewitt was called to task while he was actively serving crown and country.

1. Hewitt very well could have been tried for high treason. It is still unlawful to have consensual sex with monarch’s wife, heir’s wife or his unmarried eldest daughter. No specifics on any daughters after that but basically the Royal women highest up in succession are out of bounds.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/10-crimes-...ViVJ0q0fvUWX-g

2. The values and standards of the British Army states clearly in its section of appropriate behavior that "social misbehaviour, particularly the wrong sort of relationships, can undermine trust. Unwelcome sexual attention, taking sexual advantage of someone more junior than you or an affair with a partner of a teammate may damage the integrity and honesty of those involved, and damage the team."

Lets just say Hewitt did not fit the description of an officer and a gentleman in the British Army's eyes.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:43 AM
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As far as no.2 of the rules above is concerned, Diana's estranged husband had an affair with the wife of a fellow officer in the Household Regiment for many years. That presumably also doesn't fit the description of officer and gentleman in the British Army's eyes. However, for one individual there was punishment, for the other, nothing. Wonder whether James Hewitt ever pondered that little conundrum?
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:01 AM
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I had thought about that too. Two sides of the same coin. The only difference I can see here really is that, at the time, Hewitt was actively serving in the military.
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I had thought about that too. Two sides of the same coin. The only difference I can see here really is that, at the time, Hewitt was actively serving in the military.

Yes, and more over Diana was, after all THE Princess of Wales; THE wife of the heir, and not just a Mrs Jones.



It is still hight treason.


Both should have known better!


Diana was offered ALL Help possible by Charles and the Royal Family - she just wouldn't take help from them whatever they offered. As she allready rejected every advice, information and help that was offered her while beeing the bride and after.


She chose to listen to clairvoyante and hairdressers instead.
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