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Old 05-26-2018, 03:42 PM
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OR he pretended to be hypnotized in order that he didn't have to take responsibility for what he said whilst allegedly being under hypnosis. It may be argued that HAD her been under hypnosis he wouldn't have 'implied' anything.
well obviously......
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:47 PM
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Disliking him is one thing, but if that's the sole purpose of the discussion, it prevents any wheat and chaff from being seperated. As of now what's taking place is to reinforce the prevailing attitude of him being aligned with the antichrist. Instead, we should ask:

A) Did he have any redeeming qualities ?

B) What are they ?

C) Who here has sat down over the course of a few months, to get to know him ?

She was with him for five years, finding him a charming, caring, affectionate, amusing fellow. James Hewitt on any day in his life does not deserve to be in a class with Charles Manson...where real differences exist when it comes to a term like despicable. Should we really believe Diana was not a soulmate, was unable to see past his charm, that it took her half a decade to discover the real him....give me a break.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:59 PM
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Disliking him is one thing, but if that's the sole purpose of the discussion, it prevents all wheat and chaff from being seperated. As of now what's taking place is to reinforce the prevailing attitude of him being aligned with the antichrist. Instead, we should ask:

A) Did he have any redeeming qualities ?

B) What are they ?

C) Who here has sat down over the course of a few months, to get to know him ?


She was with him for five years, finding him a charming, caring, affectionate, amusing, fellow. James Hewitt on any day in his life does not deserve to be in a class with Charles Manson...where real differences exist when it comes to a term like despicable. Should we really believe Diana was not a soulmate, unable to see past his charm, that it took her half a decade to discover the real him....give me a break.
I don't know where you get this idea that people are comparing him with Charles manson or the antichrist.. people have said that he's a despicable cad, which he is... he's not a mass murderer.. However just because he is not so extremely bad as someone like Manson does not mean that he's not a pretty unlikable, sleazy, bad lot...
Diana had an on and off affair with him, largely because she needed someone to be close to and as a lover... and while she was an attractive woman, during her marriage to Charles, she had to be very careful whom she had affairs with. Charles problaby tolerated Hewitt because he believed that as an army officer Hewitt "Knew how to behave" and would keep Diana happy and Im sure he never considered that a man like him would abuse Di's trust, talk to the press and sell his story...
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:08 PM
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Diana had an on and off affair with him, largely because she needed someone to be close to and as a lover... and while she was an attractive woman, during her marriage to Charles, she had to be very careful whom she had affairs with...
That is a fair comment, but nothing along these lines has been addressed..

A) Did he have any redeeming qualities ?

B) What are they ?

C) Who here has sat down over the course of a few months, to get to know him ?
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:08 PM
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I have to really believe that James Hewitt was the "golden boy" in Diana's eyes. As long as he served the purpose that she put on him and the relationship. Once Hewitt displayed that he had his own mind, could make his own decisions (going to the Gulf), Diana saw it as a flaw in the relationship (and possibly abandonment) and it cooled on her end. We also have to remember that when Hewitt first appeared on the scene, like Mannakee, he was the "help" hired to give riding lessons.

We see this pattern repeatedly with Diana. With Charles, with Khan and the machinations she attempted with all her relationships. All was unicorns and rainbows with the cotton candy stickiness of profound admiration and adulation of the romance hero was there until the hero steps out of the book and becomes a real, live male with a brain and his own dreams and goals.
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Old 05-26-2018, 04:15 PM
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I have to really believe that James Hewitt was the "golden boy" in Diana's eyes. As long as he served the purpose that she put on him and the relationship. Once Hewitt displayed that he had his own mind, could make his own decisions (going to the Gulf), Diana saw it as a flaw in the relationship (and possibly abandonment) and it cooled on her end. We also have to remember that when Hewitt first appeared on the scene, like Mannakee, he was the "help" hired to give riding lessons.

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that was not the case, She did split up with him because he wanted to go to Germany but she renewed her relationship wit him when he went to the Gulf.. and he repaid her by talking to her on a phone that people could hear, and hinting to journalists that he was her lover....
He was not IMO her "golden boy", she cared about him initially or she would not have become his lover.. but he was basically in the affair for what he could get out of it.. initially presents, but later, money from selling her out to the press. And as she began to feel that he didn't care about her sincerely, she did cool on him.. Why woudlnt she?
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:41 PM
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Disliking him is one thing, but if that's the sole purpose of the discussion, it prevents any wheat and chaff from being seperated. As of now what's taking place is to reinforce the prevailing attitude of him being aligned with the antichrist. Instead, we should ask:

A) Did he have any redeeming qualities ?

B) What are they ?

C) Who here has sat down over the course of a few months, to get to know him ?

She was with him for five years, finding him a charming, caring, affectionate, amusing fellow. James Hewitt on any day in his life does not deserve to be in a class with Charles Manson...where real differences exist when it comes to a term like despicable. Should we really believe Diana was not a soulmate, was unable to see past his charm, that it took her half a decade to discover the real him....give me a break.
Unless any of us knew him personally, none of us is in a position to answer those questions in any way other than how we perceive him to be. I think that may have already been done.

As you've pointed out, Diana was allegedly with him for a number of years, during which we have to assume she felt loved and fulfilled (I wonder, though, had Charles, during that time, agreed to give up Camilla to try to get their marriage back on course, if she'd have stayed with Hewitt?) and, from what we're given to believe, spent time with him playing at being the girlfriend/wife she MIGHT have been had she not been Pcss of Wales. Because he gave her insight to that life she couldn't have failed to love him and lavish gifts on him, as she did with all those she loved.................for a time.

We can choose to call him a cad who was out for revenge or we can choose to believe he was being altruistic and seeking to show 'us' the Diana he knew. I suspect neither will be entirely correct. Like the rest of us, he's multi faceted and circumstances dictate.
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Old 05-27-2018, 04:32 AM
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I think he gave her some support intitally and it helped to give her some confidence, and to get ovr her bulimia. But he was very willing to take her presents and her affection and did not give anyting very solid in return. he is probably capable of a certain facile shallow charm..but even at his best, he wasn't a very solid individual... Hes reputed to have said that he knew about horses and sex and not much else. Diana turend to him because she needed someone, and given her situation, it was not easy fo her to find a lover, she was watched by the Press, she feared the RF would use any affairs she had against her, she feared the public might not forgive her for any affair.. so she was limited in whom she could turn to while her marriage was still officially supposed to be working and while the public still sort of believed it was a happy marriage..
Over time, I think when JH wanted to go to Germany for his career, she grew annoyed that he wanted to leave her alone and lonely, when she had so few people to support her and she broke off the affair. later, when he went to the Gulf, she experienced a certain admiration for him and a renewal of feeling.. and she wrote to him to support him in his time out there.. but he repaid her by starting to hint to the press that he was her lover. why would she not be angry at this and feel that this time the affair was off for good? and from then on, he used their relationsip to make money for himself, betrayed her, and after her death flogged the story till most people were sick of him...giving out other hints that he might be Harry's father or that "Di had told him this or that" such as that Barry M had been her lover as well. How on earth was that proper or decent behaviour??
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Old 05-27-2018, 05:07 AM
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With all the blame on Captain Hewitt, let us not forget that it takes two to tango. The Princess of Wales should not have been open for other gentlemen, in the first place (neither should the PoW have been open or Camilla, but another person's fault does not compensate for your own fault).

With all the vomit here on Captain Hewitt, let us not forget the role of the other partner with whom he once did dance the tango.
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Old 05-27-2018, 05:57 AM
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Their relationship was between them and we don't know really a lot about it...my comments address his behavior AFTER it ended. That is why so much scorn is heaped on him by others.


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Old 05-27-2018, 01:56 PM
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Their relationship was between them and we don't know really a lot about it...my comments address his behavior AFTER it ended. That is why so much scorn is heaped on him by others.


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True, it is nothing to do with the relationship with Diana.. that is literally their own affair.. it is how he used that relationship against Diana, and to make money which is caddish...
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:26 PM
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It's water under the bridge now, but we never heard her thoughts on country life, or times spent together at his family's Ebford cottage, where Diana was said to be very fond of Hewitt's mother. When they were a couple, the mother did express a concern about his winding up hurt in the relationship. Wisdom.

Hewitt has a point when he says, "She would have made the perfect Army wife, but it was not to be." For someone who pined as much as she did to be normal, it doesn't get any more normal. 'Saying' you want that life is fine but without the grounding it won't get you there. Though it seems far fetched now, if her aspirations had been more modest, and less easily impressed by fascinating, brilliant men, they might still have the cottage today.
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As far as I can see, Hewitt and his mother prattled about Diana and country life and her feelngs about this and that. Tehir affair was private, it was meant to be secret, for the sake of Diana's reputation and he talked of it, to make money. End of.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:35 PM
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I have to really believe that James Hewitt was the "golden boy" in Diana's eyes..
Diana's beauty was always center stage, but JH was about as 'dashing' a young man in the area of sweeping ladies off their feet as one could expect.

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Old 05-29-2018, 05:06 PM
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It's water under the bridge now, but we never heard her thoughts on country life, or times spent together at his family's Ebford cottage, where Diana was said to be very fond of Hewitt's mother. When they were a couple, the mother did express a concern about his winding up hurt in the relationship. Wisdom.

Hewitt has a point when he says, "She would have made the perfect Army wife, but it was not to be." For someone who pined as much as she did to be normal, it doesn't get any more normal. 'Saying' you want that life is fine but without the grounding it won't get you there. Though it seems far fetched now, if her aspirations had been more modest, and less easily impressed by fascinating, brilliant men, they might still have the cottage today.

Can you really see Diana living happily in a country cottage?
Diana was a city type, she grew easily bored in the country.
She might go for a week or two, until the novelty wore off, but she would not have been happy for long, imo.

And I don't think Hewitt would have lasted anyway, whether or not he went to the Gulf.
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I have to agree with you, Mirabel. Often times when life is not the happiest or as comfortable as one would like it to be, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. The getting away to a country cottage and being able to roam the meadows in total privacy was the opposite of what Diana's life was like at the time and for Diana, to escape into a world of total privacy and anonymity, it was a blessed relief from the life that surrounded her.

Would it last if it was permanent? I don't think so. Most likely, being stuck on that side of the fence in the meadows would always highlight the positive allure of what was on the other side of the fence that she had left behind and she'd have regrets.
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You ever heard that saying "there are girls you sleep with and there are girls you marry"? Hewitt was just someone you sleep with, the man has no depth and even someone as unintellectual as Diana would be bored after awhile.
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Can you really see Diana living happily in a country cottage?
Diana was a city type, she grew easily bored in the country.
She might go for a week or two, until the novelty wore off, but she would not have been happy for long, imo.
Had she applied herself with the same fortitude of other causes, then you have an idyllic little place for weekends or as time allowed. If the cottage originally had land around it for riding, walks, trails, etc, it's a shame it didn't remain that way, rather than parcelled off like a typical property. And it would have sparkled after being fixed up by her.

But if she was not committed to him...then no.
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Diana hated riding and avoided it whenever possible.
She simply wasn't a fan of country life.
Never could wait to get away from Balmoral, and that's about as country as you can get.
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And when she was forced to spend time in the country there are plenty of accounts of how she spent most of her time either watching TV or plugged into her iPod. She was not a lover of country pursuits.
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