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Old 06-18-2016, 07:26 PM
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Harry looks like Charles and Prince Phillip. When he was younger he reminded me of a young King Edward.


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Old 06-18-2016, 07:33 PM
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Neither of Charles's sons resemble him much, nor each other really. Harry had rather elfin looks in his early to mid teens, which allowed people with too much time on their hands to say 'Aaah..' and make jokes about Harry Hewitt, such as you see in the DM comments section to this day whenever a Harry story appears. I do think that Harry has become more Windsor as he's got older. I believe Harry has a similar, rather fleshy nose, to Diana's and his Spencer grandfather except for the very thin bridge at the top, which is pure Charles.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:17 AM
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I think that last remark is a bit odd Nimue... Diana wanted a public role, and she did still continue to work at her charity work after her divorce. Yes of course she lived as a royal, she was rich and royal, why should she not? Why should she not ask to be treated as such?
All I know is what I have read. Of course she wanted a public role. It pleased her. But she had exited her royal role. It's possible with another kind of personality, there would have been more discreet behavior. But if there was present discretion in the character, it is unlikely divorce would have been necessary to begin with.

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I don't entirely approve of her doing the Morton book or the Panormaa interview, but they were done to get out of her marriage or at least to sort out her position as the wife of a royal who no longer wanted her as his wife.
Here I have to adamantly disagree. Diana did the Morton book and the Panorama interview as damage control, to off-set serious bad press due to her extracurricular activities making headlines. Her damage control was masterful in many ways, but it wound up being her ultimate undoing.

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She wanted a divorce or to have her position regularised as the mother of a future King...who was not living with her husband. It was not done for money.
Worse than money: she did it to denigrate the man and institution she had been so keen to marry into. And I don't think for a moment she thought Charles would ever be able to divorce her, which made her far more reckless than was wise.

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And I can't see why you feel Diana should buy an estate (she didn't like the country) and retire into private life, when she could still do good with her charity work.
Because she wanted a weekend place in the country. That's what I read she said, and her actions speak to that wish. Having a weekend country place does not mean she could not have done charity work. However, she could have chosen a more discreet lifestyle. It would have been a happy choice, I think, but not in her character. She loved the attention too much.

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What I read from it is that you disapprove of supper on trays, which is fair enough
No, I don't 'disapprove'. I was questioning the truth of the tale. I was questioning the chef's assertions.

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but we then get from the above, it's the 'reverse of endearing', 'odd' 'unusual attitudes' 'not (really) being with one's children' 'lost opportunity for conversation' etc. In what way is that not being a criticism not of the chef but of Diana's parenting skills?
The only time (as I mentioned) that I heard of the supper trays was in the context of keeping her sons away from Charles. In 'The Housekeeper's Diary', this ploy is specifically mentioned, denying Charles the sit-down meal with his family.

The chef's story makes it sound like a regular practice. I questioned his story, asking why we should take his word for it. That's all.

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Denville, I am finding it difficult to reconcile the bolded sections of your posts. Diana not only wanted to ensure her public standing (I am not so sure she wanted a divorce), but she undoubtedly wanted to destroy Charles' public standing.
Exactly so. I agree.

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I also think that Diana's actions hurt both Harry and William far more than anything Hewitt has said or done. I've seen no evidence that Hewitt has caused Harry to doubt his parentage. On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that Diana's sons were deeply hurt by her public disclosures, particularly the Panorama interview. The Morton book may not have cast doubts on Harry's parentage, but it may have caused him to question whether Charles loved or wanted him when he was born. That had to hurt.
Yep. Nicely summed up.

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If it was okay for Diana to "out" Charles and Camilla, it was okay for Hewitt to "out" her.
Yes. Absolutely.

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We take it as an undisputed fact that brown eyes are more dominant than blue and therefore it is impossible for a parent with brown eyes to have blue eyed children - however, I am a witness to it in reality. My Mother had dark brown eyes and my Father had deep blue eyes. My two brothers? Both have blue eyes. My brown eyed Mother gave birth to two boys with blue eyes.
Not so, because (as described in 'olden times' regarding the genes ) anyone with the dominant brown gene can have the recessive blue gene (because we have two genes for any characteristic). Hence two brown-eyed parents can have a blue eyed child, because both can have a blue recessive gene (making having a blue-eyed child 25% likely). What is unlikely - in this old version of the genes' operation - is that two blue-eyed parents could not have a brown-eyed child.

However, recent advances in gene research have revealed the issue of eye color being influenced by more factors than just one pair of genes. Just trying to be helpful.
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:10 AM
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Prince Harry is the spitting image of his grandfather Prince Philip. It is beyond belief that anyone questions Harry's paternity. As if Diana became pregnant from an extramarital affair, kept her mouth shut, Charles having no notice and Diana consciously giving birth to a cuckoo-boy in the royal nest, Hewitt's son, as a royal prince. How more unlikely does one want it?
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:19 AM
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Prince Harry is the spitting image of his grandfather Prince Philip. It is beyond belief that anyone questions Harry's paternity. As if Diana became pregnant from an extramarital affair, kept her mouth shut, Charles having no notice and Diana consciously giving birth to a cuckoo-boy in the royal nest, Hewitt's son, as a royal prince. How more unlikely does one want it?
Unfortunately, it was Diana who went down that slippery slope when she told the tale of Charles greeting his newborn second son, and upon seeing the red hair, made some appalling comment about the red color, according to Diana. It was Diana who introduced the meme. Very mean thing to do, particularly to Harry, who would inevitably one day hear of it.
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:32 AM
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C's remark about the Red hair was nothing to do with Hewitt, He said "Oh he's got rusty hair..." as a comment on the fact that the baby resembled the Spencers"..
I dotn beleive that he meant anything by it; he was just saying "Oh the baby's a boy, and hes got red hair..." but later on in retconning her marriage when she was very unhappy and the marriage had failed, it may have seemed to Diana like charles was annoyed that Harry was a boy, when he would have liked a girl, and that he looked more of a Spencer than a Windsor

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Prince Harry is the spitting image of his grandfather Prince Philip. It is beyond belief that anyone questions Harry's paternity. As if Diana became pregnant from an extramarital affair, kept her mouth shut, Charles having no notice and Diana consciously giving birth to a cuckoo-boy in the royal nest, Hewitt's son, as a royal prince. How more unlikely does one want it?
It is highly unlikely, but people who want to attack Diana unfairly do say such things.
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Old 06-19-2016, 04:00 AM
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All I can say is that, in my mind, there is absolutely no doubt who Harry's parents are. Many, many times looking at pictures, I've had to do a double take and make sure its Harry I'm looking at and not Charles. Harry's looks and mannerisms are very similar to his father's.
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Old 06-19-2016, 04:13 AM
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I dont think he looks much like Charles, and children do pick up mannerisms from whoever rears them not necessarily their biological parents. But it is of course totally untrue that H could be Hewitts son. It is a stick to beat Diana with.
She didn't know Hewitt at the time, and she was not very clever perhaps but not a fool.. Even if she had been the sort of woman who thought nothing of having a fling, she would have waited a few years till she had had her 2 or 3 children, to have an affair. That was traditional upper class protocol.

and I think that for soem years into the marriage, Charles was her emotional focus. She was in love wiht him. She wanted his attention. One of her dress designers said that even during her pregnancies she woudl say "Will my husband like this? WIll he find me sexy in this outfit"...
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:01 AM
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Harry definitely looks like Charles and Philip through the eyes/nose bridge area. Given the nature of the British press, I'm sure that someone has picked up Harry's DNA of a glass or cigarette for testing already


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Old 06-19-2016, 02:11 PM
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This thread is not about Prince Harry or who he does and doesn't look like, nor is it a place to post offensive comments. Let us get back to the topic of the relationship between Diana and James Hewitt. Further off-topic posts will be deleted without notice.
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:13 PM
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Well was it a good thing? DId It give Diana some happiness and help her a bit to get over her bulimia? Or was the really horrible selfsihness that Hewitt displayed so bad that it overshadowed the better times
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Old 06-19-2016, 05:18 PM
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Well was it a good thing? DId It give Diana some happiness and help her a bit to get over her bulimia? Or was the really horrible selfsihness that Hewitt displayed so bad that it overshadowed the better times
I don't think any of us really jump into a decision to do something because we decided its a bad thing and do it anyways. Diana did what she though was a good thing at the time. Same with Hewitt. For every cause there is an effect and it isn't until the effects happen that we can deem them good or bad.

Kind of like feeling so free spirited running and playing in a thunderstorm but really wishing you hadn't when you develop pneumonia kind of thing.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:46 AM
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I do think he was a pretty unpleasant person, and behaved badly. If she had chosen someone discreet like Oliver HOare, maybe the affair would not have lasted more than a few years but I'm sure he woud have kept quiet about it.. and she would not have had to fear his talking...

True of course that Diana didn't "think it was a bad thing and do it anyway". I think she did care for Hewitt, at first. He was kind ot her and by then I think she and Chalres were always arguing and he was putting her down. So a man being kind, listening to her, who presumably had some sex appeal for her, was a boon.
But I think that she was in a very difficult situation.. in that I would say that most "nice" men would have been wary of her, because of her position. THey would hve felt that "ok she's a lovely woman and I'm attracted but look who she is? What if there's a row? A scandal? What if Charles turns out to be a not complaisiant husband? "
I can't help feeling that Hewitt was "brave enough" to take Diana on as a lover because he was essentially very selfish and didn't think of these things or that maybe havig a lover would only make Di's problems worse.. He just thought "oh the Princess of wales is in love iwht me - great! and "went for it."
I think he's so egotisitical that he just was delighted that a woman of high rank was giving him the attention he felt he deserved...and of course she was also rich and generous to him..
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Old 09-02-2016, 04:59 AM
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He is similar to Fergie in that way, but I don't dislike her, either. They are both people who think it's OK to make money from opportunities they have as a result of their intimate relationships. They are taking advantage of opportunities they had because of their connections, as most of us do one way or the other.
No most people dont sell the stories of who they've been to bed with, or hawk knowledge that they only gained through an illicit affair....
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Goodness me! How to spin a few words and a chance meeting or two into chapters in one's autobiography and then push it like mad in the media! I'm sure Diana's reccommendations about inner cleansing resonated with Phil through the decades since so he felt he should share it with the world. Are we going to hear how he went down to Highgrove in the 1980's and had a joke or two with Camilla about chain smoking as well?
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And he has it wrong a colonoscopy is a medical procedure in hospital.


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Right. I remember reports about Diana having colonic irrigation among her various treatments. People rarely enjoy a colonoscopy.
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There were pictures of Harry as a young child that reminded me of Prince Edward at that age. Sometimes I still see a similarity in the smile.


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There were pictures of Harry as a young child that reminded me of Prince Edward at that age. Sometimes I still see a similarity in the smile.

Me too!


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