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Old 05-27-2009, 06:00 AM
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I can post a lot of things on a lot of websites. It doesn't make it true.
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But who is seriously doubting his paternity other than those in this thread? It doesn't appear to be in the UK newspapers...
My reply was that there are many doubting it, as commented on by kimebear after she trawled through ARSSE. Just because it is not the current headline in some newspapers, does not mean the story has gone away.
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:09 AM
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At the height of the War of the Wales, don't you think that Charles would have had a paternity test done, if he had any doubts and then used that against Diana?

It would certainly have made divorce easier and cost a lot less.
But Bertie, how do we know he didn't? Charles would never have tried to destroy Diana by releasing any results or using it to get a cheaper settlement. You could look on it another way, Diana may have said pay me X amount or I will tell everyone the truth about Harry's father. Could this be the lever Burrell used to avoid prosecution over Diana's possessions?

The fact remains, that because of her affairs, there will always be a question over Harry's parentage in the UK public mind.
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:17 AM
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But Bertie, how do we know he didn't? Charles would never have tried to destroy Diana by releasing any results or using it to get a cheaper settlement. You could look on it another way, Diana may have said pay me X amount or I will tell everyone the truth about Harry's father. Could this be the lever Burrell used to avoid prosecution over Diana's possessions?

The fact remains, that because of her affairs, there will always be a question over Harry's parentage in the UK public mind.

I agree that Charles was way to much of a gentlemen to stoop to her level of sniping but some of his friends haven't shown the same regard for him.

He could easily have used that knowledge to make her go away as that knowledge made public would just about have destroyed her - a woman who tried to pass off another man's child is bad enough to to try to change the bloodline of the royal family - only the truly fanatical Diana worshippers would accept that she had the right to to that to the royal family, the Queen as the grandmother and the British people.

The fact that she remained a public figure and continue to vilify him until almost the end of her life when you consider the letters that she wrote, the Panorama interview and the way that that was still being rehashed, the way she continued to upstage him and the Queen, makes it clear to me that they didn't have that sort of leverage over her.

Charles is too much of a traditionalist to accept an illigitimate child as a lawful heir to a range of royal titles and benefits - even though he obviously loves Harry as a son (which I believe very stronly that he is). He could still love him and treat him as a son but remove the royal status from him if he believed at all that Harry wasn't his and could prove it.
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:30 AM
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]I don't think any man would want to be shown to be a cuckold. As the spare, tptb may have relied on the belief that Harry reaching the throne were remote. Charles' friends would never reveal such an intimate detail and it would only have been his closest friends who would have been privy to such a matter. IMO, Charles would never publicly humiliate any child.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:31 AM
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I too believe that Prince Charles would never do anything so horrible to a child, especially one he so obviously loves. By the way, you have probably hit on the reason the case against that disgraceful butler was dropped, he would have had no compunction in revealing Diana´s secrets.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:39 AM
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Burrell could make such a claim but it's highly unlikely he would have evidence to prove it. He didn't join the Wales Household until 1987.
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Old 05-27-2009, 10:47 AM
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That could depend on what papers/possessions he took into his care.
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:54 PM
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There are always going to be speculations about Prince Harry's paternity, partly by people trying to undermine Diana or the royal family, partly by the tabloid media trying to make money, partly because conspiracy theories are popular and impossible to refute with any amount of factual information (we never went to the moon! no! thousands of people at NASA are in on the deception too! you can't trust anyone! and the Queen had Diana murdered! yes she did! and anyway so did Philip! and the British and French police and coroner are in on it too!), and partly because some people for whatever reason genuinely believe Hewitt's revelations under hypnosis.

Whether these beliefs are based on anything firm is another matter. Personally I find the whole business of "I didn't remember that I'd slept with Diana before I was supposed to have met her until I went under hypnosis" to be absurd, and for me that taints anything Hewitt might have to say on the topic, particularly when combined with the fact that he has a bit of a track record of coming up with juicy tidbits when there's money to be had.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:10 PM
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It is a conspiracy theory, because for diehard "Hewitt is Harry's dad" believers, there is nothing that could disconfirm the theory...short of DNA samples they themselves took and tested (because even if DNA results were made public by the royal family, it would be...'it's probably a cover-up!') And somehow I doubt any member of the public is going to get a chance to do a DNA test on both Harry and Hewitt...

I was just thinking about the resemblances between family members in the BRF and somehow ended up wondering why I thought Harry looked more like the Spencers than James Hewitt. I had no idea this debate was still going on in this thread, but here are some pictures I found. I'm sure it won't convince skeptics, but I think there are a few reasons Harry's hair reminds me more of Earl Spencer's than Hewitt's. First of all, both Harry and Earl Spencer in their twenties had a very full head of hair. James Hewitt apparently didn't.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/52097934/Tim-Graham-Photo-Library
http://www.soundoffcolumn.com/images/princess-diana-memorial-service-4.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_03/dihewittREX_468x364.jpg

Harry and the Spencers tend to have fairly straight, full-bodied hair (Diana and her brother both); Hewitt's looks wavy and lays back flat against his head. (That's obvious even in these two photos that claim to show a resemblance between Harry and Hewitt.)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EXqiJGUmhrU/SR1Jl88SyBI/AAAAAAAAAWk/jhv2PCaPohw/s320/Henry_hewitt.jpg

I also think James Hewitt's hair tends to be more auburn, while Harry and Earl Spencer both have more sandy-coloured hair, although that's hard to tell from photographs. But honestly, without prior knowledge that Diana had an affair with Hewitt, would anyone really think Prince Harry and James Hewitt looked alike (beyond both being Englishmen with reddish hair)?
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:13 PM
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There are always going to be speculations about Prince Harry's paternity, partly by people trying to undermine Diana or the royal family,
A great many of the people I have heard stating that it is clear Hewitt IS Harry's father, had no ill feeling/dislike of Diana or the Royal Family. They are just 'telling it as it is', ITO, it hasn't necessarily changed their opinion about Diana either, purely because Harry is the 2nd born.
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SHORTENED - That's obvious even in these two photos that claim to show a resemblance between Harry and Hewitt.
And two wildly different photos couldn't have been found, IMO.

None of which alters the fact that the actions that caused all this speculation could and should have been avoided!
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:16 PM
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What a good thing William wasn't the red-haired son in that case.

BTW, I did give a whole list of reasons, not just the one.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:27 PM
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BTW, I did give a whole list of reasons, not just the one.
One was true, (the tabloids making money), the other possible, some believe the hypnosis others that man didn't go to the moon.

I find many seem to want to believe that it is only non Diana fans/followers/devotees that see more than a striking similarity between Hewitt and Harry.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:31 PM
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I think there are several groups, again. I've heard a few people saying that he must be Hewitt's son because otherwise how can he be a redhead, because they don't know that Diana's paternal ancestors and all her siblings are redheads; they're really only familiar with her and her blonde mother. Some people are saying it just to make Charles look foolish; I remember on one comedy show they put up a photo of Harry looking dashing and a photo of Charles looking bat-eared, bald, and elderly, and said something like, don't tell me that that ugly old git could be Harry's dad. And for whatever reason, some genuinely believe what Hewitt claims.
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Old 05-27-2009, 05:19 PM
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Well it sound to me that the whole subject is just going round and round. This is what we do know

1) Diana and Hewitt had an affair
2) Diana has stated that the affair started after Harry was born and Hewitt initially agreed to this fact
3) Hewitt is now saying (???) that he the possibility exists that the affair started earlier but he is not sure if he remembers when
4) So the based on this there is a possiblity that he is in fact Harry's father
5) Some people (people who don't like Diana, the royals in general, Hewitt or just conspiracy theorists) belive that Hewitt is in fact Harry's father because of the hair color not realizing (or caring) that Diana's siblings have red hair. Or even if they didn't know that her siblings had red hair they are not taking into consideration that Harry could have red hair because of a recessive gene in the Spencer family that has come back to life
6) If its stated on a website, said by people on a daily basis it must be true. Harry is Hewitt's son.
7) The Windsors know that Harry is Hewitts son but they don't want to weaken Charles because he looks like a fool for raising another man's son as his own
8) The Windsors know that Harry is Hewitt's son but they don't care because they love him just they way he is and as far as they are concerned he is Charles's son
9) Harry is Charles's son
10) We will never really know the truth because Diana is dead, Hewitt has no credibility, and Charles and/or Harry don't really care

Does that sum it up?
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Old 05-27-2009, 05:52 PM
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It does pretty well sum it up but I think No. 8 is the closest to the truth. One correction as far as I am concerned, the likeness is not the colour of the hair but the eyes, eybrows and nose, but that doesn´t mean much, lots of people have similar features.
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i agree with wisteria, this will follow harry to his grave. his mother opened a pandoras box with her comment. as for a resemblance to the mountbattens...i don't see any resemblance at all.
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I don't see a resemblance to the Mountbattens but to the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburgs (Philip's paternal line not his maternal line).

The only people I know who believe Harry is Hewitt's son are Diana fans to the extreme - you can't say anything negative about her at all without getting your head bitten off. They say that she had a right to have sex outside marriage as she was unhappy and that they believe that Harry was her favourite child because she was passing off a 'bastard' on the royals.

One has even gone so far as to say that she 'knows' that the Australian government has drawn up plans to pass over Harry, if the situation ever arose that he was to become King, because the government knows the truth. This person doesn't seem to understand that that would mean a referendum in Australia as it would mean a change to our constitution and therefore a vote on Diana's morality.

Most of those who, like me, and they make up the majority of the people I know, disliked Diana believe Harry to be Charles' son based on a belief that she wasn't that stupid, although some otheres do have their doubts believing that they wouldn't put it past Diana to have cheated on Charles from the very beginning. I do have two acquaintances who actually question William's paternity as well based on the fact that Diana admitted adultery and therefore was capable of doing so earlier than 1984 when Harry was born.
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:33 PM
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Well it sound to me that the whole subject is just going round and round. This is what we do know
3. is not entirely correct, the wording seems to be crucial here. Hewitt has said all along, (from the TV interviews I have seen) 'the agreed date was 1986'. I have always questioned why it was worded thus.
5. Is also incorrect, it is not just the groups you suggest, as has already been stated and not just because of the colour of his hair. Many people in the UK are probably more conversant with the Spencer colouring than those elsewhere in the world.
6. Again, just because some people on this site don't believe it, that doesn't make it untrue
7. The Windsors know he is Hewitts son but don't want to further tarnish the reputation of a future Kings mother.
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Old 05-27-2009, 06:35 PM
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The only people I know who believe Harry is Hewitt's son are Diana fans to the extreme - you can't say anything negative about her at all without getting your head bitten off. They say that she had a right to have sex outside marriage as she was unhappy and that they believe that Harry was her favourite child because she was passing off a 'bastard' on the royals.
Well, Skydragon believes Harry is Hewitt's son, and I don't think anyone could call her a Diana fan to the anything.
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No, I don't think you could call me a Diana fan, although I hasten to add I don't hate her as has been suggested by some, I just disliked her and the things she got up to!

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