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Old 05-10-2014, 01:36 PM
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No matter how many times Diana's supporters post that Charles permitted his PR people to say negative things about Diana, it didn't happen. Even Andrew Morton admits that Charles told his PR people not to criticize Diana...
Unfortunately, even with all the facts that he didn't *go* public, Diana fans will say "there must be a reason why she chose to go public with her attack, she wouldn't have done that, if someone hadn't gave her no other choice" and by that someone, they will always assume it's Charles...
One of the reasons why it's very very very sad that she died when she did, is that she will never have the chance to rise above that divorce and move on; so now her fans will never move on either, because they will probably betray her if they did...
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Old 11-07-2014, 05:31 PM
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:45 AM
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I think if you talk to professional marriage councilors you would find out that a man cheating has nothing to do with the woman he cheats on but everything to do with his values and morals. But I will leave at that


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Old 12-30-2014, 08:47 AM
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I think if you talk to professional marriage councilors you would find out that a man cheating has nothing to do with the woman he cheats on but everything to do with his values and morals. But I will leave at that


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I see you're willingly ignoring the fact that the wife had five lovers and that she started her first affair three years before her husband got a mistress.

So I don't think the wife had a lot of morals and values either.
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Old 12-30-2014, 08:56 AM
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I see you're willingly ignoring the fact that the wife had five lovers and that she started her first affair three years before her husband got a mistress.



So I don't think the wife had a lot of morals and values either.

I think your ignoring that fact he had a lover before and after his marriage


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Old 12-30-2014, 09:00 AM
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I think your ignoring that fact he had a lover before and after his marriage


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There are many sources that say he had no affair between 1981 and 1986. But what are you trying to say? That the fact his husband had an affair justifies the fact she had five lovers?

Your double standards are lovely.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:03 AM
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You believe your sources and I will believe mine ..


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Old 12-30-2014, 09:06 AM
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Okay, as you have no arguments, you'll ignore the questions you can't answer.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:09 AM
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:13 AM
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Very predictable.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:24 AM
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What is clear, however is that the Princess had multiple affairs,whilst married, but her husband had only one.. To me, that speaks VOLUMES...
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:34 AM
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What it boils down to is that the marriage was kaput or else neither of them would even think about looking elsewhere for anything. What the affairs were, how long they lasted and when they started is supposition as we have no concrete facts on any of it other than hearsay.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:49 AM
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I am not sure this is the place to debate either the causes of the breakdown of the Wales' marriage, nor as to who took lovers first, or how many. Perhaps it is best if this conversation focussed on Diana's Royal Orders.
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Old 12-31-2014, 03:39 PM
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Besides, the whole Charles/Camilla/Diana conversation just goes around and around and around. Positions are entrenched on both sides. Unless new information comes to light--and even then--people have chosen their sides and are sticking to them. I don't get involved with these conversations for that reason.
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Old 12-31-2014, 04:45 PM
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You can't help but laugh at the thought of people comparing how many lovers a couple had than the other. Folks, it doesn't matter, one affair or even the very thought of an affair, is enough to take a marriage and throw it in the garbage. What Charles and Diana did was totally wrong. Forget about hurting the Monarchy. The Monarchy has been through worse things than the 'War of the Waleses'...if you know history. They hurt their own little family. Charles and Diana had a beautiful family at home and their silly actions forever changed what they had.

Marriage is tough for everyone, yes, even for royalty. Charles and Diana had a great deal of pressure on them. They had the stiff and rigid expectations of the "Firm" on their backs, the people of the UK and Commonwealth and the media. When one isn't getting the proper help they needed to save their marriage and family life, it was only going to lead to a disaster one way or the other.

It's over and it's been over for a very long time. Diana is no longer alive and no one can turn back the hands of time. Charles has moved on and is happy once again. Their children, William and Harry, are adults and one has a family of his own. The Charles & Diana saga died long time ago, but I still remember the good times. Everything about this couple wasn't bad. The love Charles & Diana shared helped produce two fine young men and for that I think Charles & Diana was very thankful...and we should be thankful too.
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You can't help but laugh at the thought of people comparing how many lovers a couple had than the other. Folks, it doesn't matter, one affair or even the very thought of an affair, is enough to take a marriage and throw it in the garbage. What Charles and Diana did was totally wrong. Forget about hurting the Monarchy. The Monarchy has been through worse things than the 'War of the Waleses'...if you know history. They hurt their own little family. Charles and Diana had a beautiful family at home and their silly actions forever changed what they had.

Marriage is tough for everyone, yes, even for royalty. Charles and Diana had a great deal of pressure on them. They had the stiff and rigid expectations of the "Firm" on their backs, the people of the UK and Commonwealth and the media. When one isn't getting the proper help they needed to save their marriage and family life, it was only going to lead to a disaster one way or the other.

It's over and it's been over for a very long time. Diana is no longer alive and no one can turn back the hands of time. Charles has moved on and is happy once again. Their children, William and Harry, are adults and one has a family of his own. The Charles & Diana saga died long time ago, but I still remember the good times. Everything about this couple wasn't bad. The love Charles & Diana shared helped produce two fine young men and for that I think Charles & Diana was very thankful...and we should be thankful too.
I have to disagree, Dman. I think it does matter. First of all, many marriages survive affairs. I also think most, if not all, survive the thought of an affair.

Second, the number of her lovers has mattered to you because you have pushed back on reports that she slept with Barry Manakee and Will Carling.

None of us know exactly what happened in the marriage but many people's opinion is based on the fact that Diana got her side of the story out first. She revealed Charles's affair but failed to disclose her own extramarital affairs, including the very real possibility that she was sleeping with more than one man at the same time. You may not be shocked by that but I confess that I was.

At the same time, there are people (including me) who distrust Diana's version of events because she wasn't honest about her own affairs. She only admitted to the affair with James Hewitt after he went public.
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I agree with this view. As much as I appreciate Diana's public work and her good qualities, I certainly don't believe everything in her version of things--starting with the Morton book in particular.

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She revealed Charles's affair but failed to disclose her own extramarital affairs, including the very real possibility that she was sleeping with more than one man at the same time. You may not be shocked by that but I confess that I was.

At the same time, there are people (including me) who distrust Diana's version of events because she wasn't honest about her own affairs. She only admitted to the affair with James Hewitt after he went public.
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I have to disagree, Dman. I think it does matter. First of all, many marriages survive affairs. I also think most, if not all, survive the thought of an affair.

Second, the number of her lovers has mattered to you because you have pushed back on reports that she slept with Barry Manakee and Will Carling.

None of us know exactly what happened in the marriage but many people's opinion is based on the fact that Diana got her side of the story out first. She revealed Charles's affair but failed to disclose her own extramarital affairs, including the very real possibility that she was sleeping with more than one man at the same time. You may not be shocked by that but I confess that I was.

At the same time, there are people (including me) who distrust Diana's version of events because she wasn't honest about her own affairs. She only admitted to the affair with James Hewitt after he went public.
Yes, some marriages survive affairs, but not all. There are always two sides to every story and no one has said that Diana's story hold more water than Charles's.

What I'm saying that, the number of lovers really isn't important. Charles & Diana slept with someone other than each other and that did the most damage.

Also, the tabloids came up with all kinds of stories about Charles & Diana's love affairs. Some of the stories are so old and others ran with it, that a lot of it stuck. As royal commentator, Victoria Arbiter once pointed out, there were so many rumors about this couple that's it's nearly impossible to debunk them all.
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Yes, some marriages survive affairs, but not all. There are always two sides to every story and no one has said that Diana's story hold more water than Charles's.

What I'm saying that, the number of lovers really isn't important. Charles & Diana slept with someone other than each other and that did the most damage.
I think the number of affairs does make a difference in the consideration of whether to try and save a marriage. At the same time, I also believe that the fact that Charles loved Camilla more than he loved Diana was also problematic. As was the fact that Diana was 'in love' with James Hewitt at the time she offered to reconcile with Charles and have a third child.

However, I agree that the actual affairs weren't the basis of the problem in the marriage. The real issue is that they were emotionally unsuited for each other. I think Charles loved her, but not as much as he loved Camilla. On the other hand, I think Diana had a crush on the Prince of Wales but was not 'in love' with Charles.

The major other problem was her mental illness. Charles didn't understand it and did not give her the attention and constant validation she craved. Some people think that her constant neediness was her fault, but that is not fair because she was mentally ill and didn't understand her own needs. Eating disorders and personality disorders were not well understood in the early 1980s.

Other people think that Charles's lack of understanding was a failure on his part. My response to that is that few people can give someone who is mentally ill the amount of attention they want. There is a reason that the divorce rate among the mentally ill is so high.
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No doubt that Charles and Diana had some issues, whether in their marriage and personal, but the thing that really did them in is they didn't get professional help. Their friends and family didn't offer much help either. Their loved ones should have gathered around them and offered their love, attention and support. There was no time to take sides, divide into camps and become 'unnamed' sources for the media and tabloids.

The marriage probably was going to fail no matter what, but at least they could have had the proper help and guidance to resolve their marital issues privately, respectively and with consideration for their children. Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, could have offered them marriage counseling. Just my thoughts, BTW.

It's all over now and no one can go back and do things differently, so none of it really matter anyway.
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