The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #841  
Old 10-30-2013, 12:55 AM
MARG's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 4,327
I think too much emphasis is put on the educational inequalities and achievements of both Charles and Diana. A degree is merely the result of a superior education not a superior intellect. Both Charles and Diana showed that neither of them were exactly slouches when "on the job".

I would cite QEII as a perfect example. She was home schooled (a trend that is returning only with parents instead of tutors), never attended a University and never achieved any educational standard, yet I think there would be very few people who would equate her as simple, uneducated, unskilled or ignorant. She has no trouble meeting the great and the good as well as her more ordinary "subjects". Her Prime Ministers have all attested to her political acumen regardless as to whether they agreed with her stance, and have appreciated her input. She hosts Heads of State, mixing and mingling (without a Whitehall flunky whispering in her ear to ensure she follows the Party line), so I would say her "education" was more than adequate. It is her intellect that makes the difference.

Having said that, I would think Diana's opinion of the reading matter was entirely personal and possibly found the topics as interesting as watching paint dry. She may have seen both the gift and it's content in a different light a few years later.
__________________

__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #842  
Old 10-30-2013, 03:48 AM
blauerengel's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 1,729
A university degree or the level of intelligence does not have much influence on the quality of a marriage. Some successfully married people have good education,some did not have so much formal schooling...
Different levels of formal education can work out very well,if we look at CP Haakon and Mette-Marit from Norway!
I am glad that CP Haakon looked beyond the surface and did not write Mette-Maritoff just because she did not have a good educational background. Personality and character are everything that matters, knowledge can be easily aqcuired when people want & need it later:-)
__________________

__________________
Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.
Avoiding danger in the long run is no safer than outright exposure.
Life is either a daring adventure,or nothing
. Helen Keller
Reply With Quote
  #843  
Old 11-04-2013, 05:42 PM
Mermaid1962's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NearTheCoast, Canada
Posts: 5,271
My father had a Master's Degree and my mother had Junior Matriculation (Grade 11). They were very happy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blauerengel View Post
A university degree or the level of intelligence does not have much influence on the quality of a marriage.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #844  
Old 11-04-2013, 06:22 PM
Roslyn's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tintenbar, Australia
Posts: 2,787
Widespread higher education for women is a relatively recent trend, in Australia anyway, and in days past lack of it was not considered an indicator of lack of intelligence or as a factor which was likely to stop a marriage from being happy.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #845  
Old 11-04-2013, 10:46 PM
Argie's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Chatham, Canada
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roslyn View Post
Widespread higher education for women is a relatively recent trend, in Australia anyway, and in days past lack of it was not considered an indicator of lack of intelligence or as a factor which was likely to stop a marriage from being happy.
I don't think Europe falls into this trend: my grandmother, born in 1919, went to university and finished with a BA in Languages. Her only sister, born in 1911 had two degrees: Languages and Law. Both worked in their profession (teacher and lawyer), along with their degreed husbands. Both had good marriages and gave birth to 4 and respectively 2 children. Although there was not a large number of girls enrolled in universities at that time, I remember them both visiting former female colleagues from the university.
__________________
"I grew up in Europe, where History comes from." - Eddie Izzard.
Reply With Quote
  #846  
Old 11-04-2013, 11:05 PM
Roslyn's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tintenbar, Australia
Posts: 2,787
Your great-grandfather must have been an enlightened man, Argie. Your grandmother and great-aunt were lucky ladies to have such encouragement.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #847  
Old 11-04-2013, 11:13 PM
Argie's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Chatham, Canada
Posts: 270
He probably was, as all his seven children went to university. He was an elementary school teacher with a giant Nietzsche mustache :)
__________________
"I grew up in Europe, where History comes from." - Eddie Izzard.
Reply With Quote
  #848  
Old 03-19-2014, 05:08 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: katonah, United States
Posts: 2,533
I think it was going to be tough going for even a professional counsellor when the 14 year older husband is saying to the teenage wife 'I refuse to be the only Prince of Wales without a mistress'. I can't imagine any set of circumstances that a statement like that was going to be acceptable to any new wife for any reason , shrink or not. Though I do think Charles would have benefitted by being told no, not ok. Something that would be a real shock to his system .
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #849  
Old 03-19-2014, 05:12 PM
Lenora's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Riga, Latvia
Posts: 2,090
Is there a proof he really said this to his wife " I refuse to be the only Prince of Wales without a mistress"?
I doubt he really said these words, even it was going through his mind. It could be said only by a man without any feelings, brains and common sense.
Reply With Quote
  #850  
Old 03-19-2014, 05:43 PM
Dman's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 7,335
I'm not sure Charles ever said those words but its the same line many royal historians, correspondents and authors have said those were his words to Diana.
__________________
"If you are always trying to be normal you will never know how amazing you can be."

Dr. Maya Angelou
Reply With Quote
  #851  
Old 03-19-2014, 06:22 PM
cinrit's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Deep South, United States
Posts: 384
Only two people know if he really said that, and I doubt Charles would report it if he did. I think it was Diana who reported that he said it, wasn't it? But I can't remember to whom she said it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #852  
Old 03-19-2014, 06:45 PM
Mermaid1962's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NearTheCoast, Canada
Posts: 5,271
Both Charles and Diana should have kept the knowledge of the problems between themselves as much as possible. It's impossible to keep staff from talking among themselves, obviously. However, there was no need to alert the entire world to their problems. There was no need for adultery. There was betrayal upon betrayal by both parties. Both of them were selfish and unable to cope with the other person's "issues." I think that both Charles and Diana were better at helping the general public than helping each other. That's the tragedy.

This. Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher View Post
If Diana had wanted to save the marriage, going public was the worst thing she could have done.
Also this from Dman:

"They should've kicked their lovers to the side and worked on themselves and their marriage for the sake of their family and Monarchy."
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #853  
Old 03-19-2014, 07:18 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 1,095
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenora View Post
Is there a proof he really said to his wife " I refuse to be the only Prince of Wales without a mistress"?
I doubt he really said these words, even it was going through his minds. It could be said only by a man without any feelings, brains and common sense.
I think it's entirely possible he said it...however if it was said it was more than likely said during an fight between he and Diana.


LaRae
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #854  
Old 03-19-2014, 08:08 PM
Roslyn's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tintenbar, Australia
Posts: 2,787
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pranter View Post
I think it's entirely possible he said it...however if it was said it was more than likely said during an fight between he and Diana.
I agree. It's the sort of thing I'd say during a fight. My husband and I have said the most outrageous things to each other in the midst of a heated argument. And we know that Charles and Diana had lots of heated arguments.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #855  
Old 03-19-2014, 11:25 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: katonah, United States
Posts: 2,533
It's been quoted in several books, all published in notoriously tight on Libel laws UK. I am traveling for the next 10 days and away from my library, but Google is your friend. I just did a search with the key words and there are PAGES of hits on this quote. Would you like to rethink your statement ?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #856  
Old 03-20-2014, 12:28 AM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 4,905
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osipi View Post
This is one I'm going to ask what your source is. As far as I know, Camilla has never voiced an opinion on what was going on for public record. She was one discreet lady and for that I admire her..
The source it Tina Brown's 2007 "The Diana Chronicles". I think I mentioned the source in my post.
__________________
"Be who God intended you to be, and you will set the world on fire" St. Catherine of Siena
Reply With Quote
  #857  
Old 03-20-2014, 12:40 AM
Roslyn's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tintenbar, Australia
Posts: 2,787
Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter View Post
It's been quoted in several books, all published in notoriously tight on Libel laws UK. I am traveling for the next 10 days and away from my library, but Google is your friend. I just did a search with the key words and there are PAGES of hits on this quote. Would you like to rethink your statement ?
Since my post is immediately above yours, and noting that yours was posted some hours after mine, I am going to assume that you are responding to mine and, in answer to your question say that no, I would not like to rethink my statement. I can't imagine why you might think I would want to rethink it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #858  
Old 03-20-2014, 02:30 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,684
Just because there are pages and pages repeating the quote doesn't mean it actually happened as the source is still Diana - a notable liar. She has also been dead for nearly 17 years so anyone can attribute comments to her that no one can now disprove.

Charles wasn't interested in suing the mother of his children about anything she said about him and he was and is the only one who could/can - not because they are wrong but because of the damage it would do to his sons who have always been a number 1 priority with him.

I don't see any need for Roslyn to rethink her statement either - Diana claimed that Charles made the comment but gave no context as to the circumstances and yes an argument is the probably situation.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #859  
Old 03-20-2014, 03:19 AM
Ish's Avatar
Ish Ish is offline
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 2,374
Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter View Post
It's been quoted in several books, all published in notoriously tight on Libel laws UK. I am traveling for the next 10 days and away from my library, but Google is your friend. I just did a search with the key words and there are PAGES of hits on this quote. Would you like to rethink your statement ?
You can get pages of results when you do a Google search for "Hitler clone on the moon" but it doesn't mean that we have to worry about an invasion of Space Nazis.

Just because Diana accused him of saying it, doesn't mean Charles actually said it. Furthermore, assuming that Charles did say it, context is also important. According to the DM - one of the few online sources I can find that actually discusses the incident around the quote instead of just putting the quote forth (or being a random result that doesn't actually have anything to do with the quote) - the line was said during a fight, presumably about Charles getting rid of his mistress. Yes, he should be criticized for it - if for no other reason than for the historical inaccuracy behind the line - but it gets a bit tedious after awhile for every negative comment about Diana to be responded with some variation of "well, Charles cheated on her."
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #860  
Old 03-20-2014, 03:42 AM
Lenora's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Riga, Latvia
Posts: 2,090
If it was said during a fight, it's more or less understandable, because Diana could also have adressed unpleasant words to him. But if it was said in a rather calm tone, that's totally unacceptable from psychological point of view.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
diana princess of wales, marriage, prince charles, prince of wales, princess diana


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Charles & Diana picture thread Josefine Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 355 03-20-2014 11:18 AM
Charles & Diana, Visit To Italy In 1985 jun5 Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 57 09-02-2012 09:35 PM
Charles & Diana jun5 Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 47 05-29-2004 01:45 PM




Popular Tags
belgium brussels carl philip charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events engagement fashion genealogy germany grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta sofia jordan king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit olympics ottoman pieter van vollenhoven poland president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince daniel prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess beatrix princess charlene princess laurentien princess madeleine princess margriet princess marilene princess mary princess mary fashion queen fabiola queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:59 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]