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Old 08-12-2005, 07:20 AM
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I'm sure they did lol. Somewhere along the way someone must have mentioned that it was not royal practice to air their dirty laundry for interviews and in the tabloids. So much for that!
I can understand that during a bitter relationship breakdown many things are said in anger, but I don't think that commenting on "the wedding night" scores one any points.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:50 AM
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Old 08-12-2005, 10:37 AM
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Who, me or Di?
Sorry Alicky; my phrasing was ambiguous. I meant that I don't think Diana scored any points by discussing this with third parties. For all the wonderful things she did and achieved, there are times when certain matters are best left private. If not for herself or her ex-husband, then at least for her children.
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Old 08-12-2005, 11:10 AM
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Maybe Diana saw stability in an older, more mature man. I don't think being Queen of Great Britain and N. Ireland was her main goal. I think that she was pushed and prodded coupled with her crush on Charles.
You have to remember her father was roughly that much older than her mother.

Of course, that didn't work out either, and age was probably a major factor in that marital breakdown.
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Old 08-12-2005, 11:12 AM
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I'm sure they did lol. Somewhere along the way someone must have mentioned that it was not royal practice to air their dirty laundry for interviews and in the tabloids. So much for that!
I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.
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Old 08-12-2005, 03:01 PM
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In response to branchg's reference to Wikipedia, that only repeats gossip. If the "gentleman" involved won't confirm it and no one else has proof, it's purely speculative.
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Old 08-12-2005, 03:27 PM
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I don't know some of the pictures they look very much inlove both of them not just Princess Diana,
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:03 PM
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Sorry Alicky; my phrasing was ambiguous. I meant that I don't think Diana scored any points by discussing this with third parties. For all the wonderful things she did and achieved, there are times when certain matters are best left private. If not for herself or her ex-husband, then at least for her children.
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Lol, I wasn't too sure. :) Anyways, I don't care about the age difference, it can work. But they just had nothing in common, they were such totally different people. If it was a one year age difference, I'm not even sure that it would have worked out between them.

And as far as Di's dirty laundry, she's done that much more than that one tidbit, and much more directly.
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:18 PM
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I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.
Diana has a long history of telling stories to people she knew would let them out, for the sake of getting the stories out and into the press.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:05 PM
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I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.
I agree with Alicky that Diana was being what many of us "women" are by telling stories to our girlfriends. Let's face it--Men tell every minute detail of relationships they have with women the majority of the time. Hate to tell the men here, but women talk about you too!! We talk about the "good, bad and the ugly just as much!! The only problem in Diana's case is that she was famous and people want to make money off of her. I don't have to worry about my friends selling my life story to a publisher or the tabloids. Diana never truly realized, I believe, that some of the people who have betrayed her would ever do so.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:18 PM
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Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:20 PM
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I agree with Alicky that Diana was being what many of us "women" are by telling stories to our girlfriends.
Iowabelle said it. :)

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Let's face it--Men tell every minute detail of relationships they have with women the majority of the time.
Men gossip more than women I swear! :p
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:28 PM
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Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.
I agree with Alicky. There was a story I saw on a Frontline documentary. It had lots of interviews with editors and reports from The Sun, Daily News, etc, the tabloid variety, talking about how Diana had lunch with all of them. I think it was Arthur Edwards who told a story from around the time Morton's book came out in 1992. Amidst the media speculation if the book was true or fabrication, he got a call from a well spoken woman informing him of the exact time Diana would be visiting Carolyn Bartholomew, one of the name source in the book. He went to Bartholomews' flat, and sure enought, at the exact time named in the phone call, Diana showed up. There was another reporter who said Diana personally briefed him about phoning for help after seeing a man being rescued from the lake in Hyde Park. Somehow when the story was reported later, it became Diana saving the drowning man. She later made a big show of visiting him in the hospital and giving the real rescuer a plaque.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:33 PM
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Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.
I was referring to Diana's inner circle of friends, not her chats with editors of newspapers. I believe Diana never saw Rosa Monckton, Lucia Flecha de Lima, and a few others making money off of her. Neither woman has betrayed Diana's loyalty. When they speak of her, they do not dish secrets.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:38 PM
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Very true Incas. She often befriended tabloid hacks and told them stories like that, I think it was Patrick Jephson who said that he would often find Diana sitting and talking with them, telling them "heartfelt" stories about herself and her charitable nature. Then he'd see the stories on the pages the next day, as intended.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:26 PM
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I was referring to Diana's inner circle of friends, not her chats with editors of newspapers. I believe Diana never saw Rosa Monckton, Lucia Flecha de Lima, and a few others making money off of her. Neither woman has betrayed Diana's loyalty. When they speak of her, they do not dish secrets.
But I don't think Lucia and Rosa ever did though right?
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:32 PM
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But I don't think Lucia and Rosa ever did though right?
As I said in my post, Rosa and Lucia have not said one word out of line about Diana. Anytime they refer to her, they talk in generalizations or things that are innocuous to public consumption. They know what they can and cannot say. The only time they gave a little bit of detail was when they told the world that Diana was NOT pregnant at the time of the fatal car crash and that she was not going to marry Dodi Al-Fayed.

Rosa Monckton said Diana was having "her monthly cycles" twice a month and in no way could have been pregnant at the time of the crash. She said Diana was going for a check-up right before she died to see the cause of the problem.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:45 PM
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But Rosa and Lucia didn't leak the "wedding night story." You're right, Diana didn't have to worry about her close friends.
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But Rosa and Lucia didn't leak the "wedding night story." You're right, Diana didn't have to worry about her close friends.
Believe me, when it comes to Diana, I have crammed my head so full of facts. I know the good, the bad, and the downright ugly.

I just started a thread for the 8th anniversary of her death on August 31, 2005. I asked that people come there to share their feelings and memories in a positive way and not bring the negative there. I want to celebrate her life and the good she did for Great Britain and the world at large.
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Old 08-14-2005, 07:31 AM
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Has Diana ever really loved Charles, I have always thought she did , otherwise she'd have had taken no notice of his reationship to Cam <edit>- but, are we so sure she was in love with him when she married him, what about in the years til 1992? she looks to me very happy in the pix taken during the honeymoon, while it's clear he was not, just look at the kiss, he clses his eyes and tries to shrug away, she's passionate.
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