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Old 12-03-2016, 01:08 PM
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The royals' lifestyle was, I think, much more formal and ritualised in the late 1970s and early 1980's than it is today.

Their lives followed a prescribed course, followed by the Queen and Prince Philip today,
And I don't think anyone, Charles included, could have predicted 'Di-mania'!
No, and I don't think that Diana realised HOW formal and rigidly timetabled Royal life was then. Today they have become much more flexible about things like Christmas, non royals being allowed to spend more time with their families etc.
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Old 12-03-2016, 03:02 PM
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Good points Curryong and Denville. (Nice to see you back Denville.) The Spencers did not live a very formal lifestyle so this would have been quite the adjustment for Lady Diana Spencer.
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Diana's whole life had been fairly informal. Her father left her a lot to school or the care of servants, she was used to the cosy informality of chatting in the ktichen to them.. and her father did not enjoy socialising. I think that that changed when Raine came along but Diana wasn't going to enjoy the life that Raine enjoyed and inflicted on the famlly. In London she was living in a falt with her girlfriends and I think she had no real conception of how the RF lived with a lot of servants and other staff around, with rules and an old fashioned almost Edwardian form of social life.. plus all their duties.
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:32 PM
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Diana's whole life had been fairly informal. Her father left her a lot to school or the care of servants, she was used to the cosy informality of chatting in the ktichen to them.. and her father did not enjoy socialising. I think that that changed when Raine came along but Diana wasn't going to enjoy the life that Raine enjoyed and inflicted on the famlly. In London she was living in a falt with her girlfriends and I think she had no real conception of how the RF lived with a lot of servants and other staff around, with rules and an old fashioned almost Edwardian form of social life.. plus all their duties.
I think that's true, and I also think that nobody, not Diana, not her parents, certainly not the royal family, had a real understanding of how out of step the younger Spencer's routines were from the usual noble lifestyle, much less that of the royal family. Part of that disconnect came from a general lack of understanding that most of us in the 70s and early 80s (of all economic classes) had of the ways in which divorce can change a child's experience and leave them "flapping in the breeze" without concerted effort on the parents' part. Her parents, especially, didn't seem to have a great understanding of what was going on in their children's lives as they were shuttled around, she couldn't have known how far from the norm (for her strata of society) her life was, Charles likely had no idea at all of how she'd lived...

And it seems they all just sort of assumed that because they socialized in a similar way at certain functions then their home lives and general expectations would be compatible enough.
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:44 PM
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Yes, this makes sense to me. Diana was very good at informally chatting with people and could make a real connection. In the early years in particular, she seemed rather uncomfortable at formal occasions. There's a video of an appearance that she made with Charles to a hospice early in 1982. She seemed shy and self-conscious during the formal part, but came alive when meeting the patients.
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well said, Mermaid. I think she was more at ease meeting everyday folk then the pomp and circumstance of traditional duties. She was a natural at meeting people. I love how in the mid 1980s you could clearly see her blossoming into an accomplished Princess.
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Old 12-27-2016, 05:21 AM
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I tuldn't have known how far from the norm (for her strata of society) her life was, Charles likely had no idea at all of how she'd lived...

And it seems they all just sort of assumed that because they socialized in a similar way at certain functions then their home lives and general expectations would be compatible enough.
I dont know if her life was that differnet as a young girl to other upper class children, esp if there had been a divorce in the family, which was common enough by then. TIna Brown states that she felt the RF didn't understand that so many upper class families didn't live in the same formal way that had been common for them earlier, big fancy house parties, servants rigidly behind the Green baize door, dressing up and eating formally etc. Di's immediate family hadn't been "couriters" for a while, because her father's divorce had made him more reclusive and he was content to stay at home and not to force a formal lifestyle on the children... and they had all been to boarding school... and then lived in flats and looked after themselves..
So I think she was out of touch with the almost Edwardian way the RF lived, and some upper class families who were closest to them.
I think that many other upper class girls who might have married Charles mgiht have been a bit taken aback by how rigid and old fashioned was the RF lifestyle, but I htink that Diana was not very adaptable. She was already bulimic and stressed out and unsure if her marriage was the right thing, and the formal lifestyle really took her by surprise and she coudln't/didn't want to adapt to it. (So a lot of stories have emerged about her unhappiness with "family social life" in the first years of her marriage. among them one that the queen said soemthing on the lines of "I dont care if its hard for her, she has to just buck up and learn to fit in...") Perhaps another similarly aged upper class bride mihgt have also found the formality a surprise and hard to cope with but might not have shown their unhappiness so openly and would have tried harder to adapt.

Nowadays, Kate and WIlliam are allowed to be more flexible about joining the RF for Christmas etc, they have lived together in Wales in a more simple way than was possible at the time for Charles and Diana, and Camilla keeps a separate house so that she can be more informal and relaxed iwth her children and grandchildren...
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:24 PM
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Possibly, but Diana was also living, from even before the outset, with the uncomfortable fact that was Camilla.

Nowadays, different situation, William steers his own course, so Kate while enjoying all the trappings of royalty has Christmas with her own family.

Nothing wrong in that either; but they do need to understand what being Royal is.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:54 PM
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Its kind of a waste of energy to compare one royal marriage, the way they lived and the way the marriage was and how they conducted their lives both public and private to anyone else regardless of who they are be it Elizabeth and Philip or Zara and Mike or William and Kate.

Different couples have different dynamics that make them who they are and that's how they should be seen. How Charles and Diana conducted their Christmas holidays actually does not have any bearing on how William and Kate conduct theirs today. Times change, people change, family dynamics change and (gasp) even the monarchy changes.

Charles and Diana were. William and Kate are. Simple.
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Old 12-29-2016, 06:12 AM
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Not to mention Diana's family structure was very different from what Kate's is. Not sure Diana was chomping at the bit to go off and spend Christmas with her dad and Raine ..or her mother (who left her) and her husband.


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Old 12-29-2016, 07:24 AM
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Even if she had been it wouldn't have happened. Christmas was all part of being a working Royal, the Spencers weren't part of it.

William stated from the outset that the Middletons would play a major role in his family's life and we have seen plenty to support that.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new "tradition" has just started, where Christmas Day is celebrated with both sets of family on alternate years.
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Even if she had been it wouldn't have happened. Christmas was all part of being a working Royal, the Spencers weren't part of it.

William stated from the outset that the Middletons would play a major role in his family's life and we have seen plenty to support that.

I wouldn't be surprised if a new "tradition" has just started, where Christmas Day is celebrated with both sets of family on alternate years.
Yes I think that it is a change which flowed from the disaster of Diana's marraige.. well several changes. one was the social change that most couples now live together or have a sexual rerlationship prior to marriage, and that includes royals.. so at least they have a chance to get to know each other better nad to see if they are sexually compatible (not that that stops divorces)...
But I think the RF has consciously changed how tehy do things a lot, becuase of Diana and Sarah. That now new brides are given a few years to play themselves in to royal duties, rather than a sudden plunge in, as happened with her and was traumatic for her.
Also, while Di wasn't perhaps all that close to her own family, she found the being expected to spend a lot of time now in private with the RF, going to shootng parties, Balmoral every year, Christmas with the RF etc daunting and the formality of their lifestyle was very difficult for her IMO and again Kate and other younger royals now are able to spend more time wit their own families, they dont have to embrace the RF as their "ONly" relatives and they are not expected to lead such a formal Edwardian style private life, just because the queen and Philip live like that.
It isn't just Kate who benefits. Camilla has her own house to invite her children to, and other royals dont always have to go to the Christmas with the Royals every year...
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"People have been talking about a picture of Prince Charles and Princess Diana.
Years later, and a man called Philip Cohen has pointed out an interesting observation: Prince Charles is a head taller than his wife. In the image, anyway. In reality, the two were the same height – 1.78m

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...stamp-10047179
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In the engagement and early marriage photos of the couple, the RF/Charles seemed to be quite concerned that he be shot on a step or box so as to appear to be taller than his bride. I remember after the separation, Diana said "Well now I can wear heels" because she always had to wear flats when appearing with Charles (for the same reason).
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In that photo she is sitting down and he is standing
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I believe she and Charles were about the same height in their stockinged feet weren't they, but Diana was always conscious of the height difference if she wore heels. At least Kate doesn't have that problem!
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Written on Royal Yacht Britannia crested paper and dated August 15, 1981, she wrote: "The honeymoon was a perfect opportunity to catch up on sleep...."
Read more: Princess Diana used honeymoon to 'catch up on sleep' rare letters reveal*
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After the pressure of the preparations, of that wedding with the eyes of the world on them it probably was a chance to relax, to laze and graze and sleep.

Nevertheless, by all accounts, I don't think the honeymoon was a glittering success. For the first time this couple, who didn't know each other very well, were alone together and the differences between them, intellectually, emotionally, in personality and practically everything else, started to become glaringly obvious.

It is also lovely to see some more evidence of Diana writing lots of bright and chatty thank you letters to people on the Wales staff who had assisted the couple at various points. She was always meticulous about these as well as her 'bread and butter' letters, and nothing appears forced or false.
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I had to kind of snicker reading that. Usually a honeymoon is not synonymous with sleep but more like "coming up for fresh air" now and then. If Charles had written that note, it most likely would have stated that it was a good time to catch up on his reading.

If I remember though, their honeymoon was a rather extended one starting off at Broadlands, then a cruise on Brittania and ended up with a few weeks at Balmoral.
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She was very tall and being too thin, she looked taller. So I suppose there was a tactful feeling that they should minimise her heigt...
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