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Old 08-31-2017, 09:05 PM
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True, all the members of the BRF should be there, including Anne, Alexandra, and Princesses Michael and Richard.
There is no Princess Richard, if you mean the Duke of Gloucester's wife she is the Duchess of Gloucester. And I don't see why the entire extended royal family should have to be there.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:13 PM
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There is no Princess Richard, if you mean the Duke of Gloucester's wife she is the Duchess of Gloucester. And I don't see why the entire extended royal family should have to be there.
They should. For 15 years, Diana was the third highest ranking woman of the nation.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:46 PM
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We've already been through the relationships Diana had or rather didn't have with members of the extended family like the Gloucesters and Princess Alexandra on the 'Diana and relationships with other Royals' thread, where you asked questions about it, Westfield Bakery.

Everyone who responded to you there agreed that the relationships were probably cordial when they met, (which was rarely) in a 'Hello, how are you?' fashion, but that was it.

Princess Michael was closer because she was a neighbour of Diana's at KP. There was trouble about her roaming cats at one stage, I seem to remember, and she was kind later about Diana not having to curtsey to her, but at no time could the two women have been described as friends.

I don't think anyone from the BRF except the brothers and Kate will be at the statue unveiling ceremony, though possibly their cousins the York princesses and the Tindalls and Peter Phillips might be there. They will probably invite Diana's friends, and her family almost certainly, and perhaps people from her charities too, IMO.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:36 AM
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Diana and Society:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...agedy-princess
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:11 AM
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What an extraordinary article Dman. Thanks for posting it. Although I am, as you know, one of Diana's most ardent fans, I'm a bit ambivalent about much of it. Nevertheless, it is thought provoking.
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Old 09-01-2017, 06:06 AM
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This is perhaps one of the best articles I've read reflecting on Diana among all the multitudes of what has been written in the past couple of months.

I do not see Diana as I did 20 years ago but I'd like to think that I understand her more than I did then. No pointing fingers or casting blame or whatever but more of an acceptance of her humanity and its impact that she had globally. She was so very human that its hard to not find some areas of her life and times that resonates with our own.

Thanks for posting this article, Dman. Its a read well worth the time.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:38 PM
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It matters less what may have been her motives for her charity work, but more how those felt who were on the receiving end of that work. I'm pleased if she got some sort of fulfillment from it -I see nothing wrong in feeling pleased that we've helped make others' lives better- and it saddens me that she felt unappreciated by the person she most needed to feel appreciated by.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:42 PM
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she felt unappreciated by the person she most needed to feel appreciated by.
Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:49 PM
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Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
I have no memory of her doing such at the start of their marriage, Indeed, she appeared to hang onto his every word.
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Old 09-01-2017, 03:33 PM
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Indeed, altho' there is no evidence of any appreciation by her of her Husbands 'life work', indeed she publicly denigrated it, which the Prince NEVER did to her..
nonsense, she never denigrated his work.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:10 PM
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^ Saying in her NOTORIOUS interview 'he shouldn't be King' seems a crystal clear 'write off' to me...
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Old 09-01-2017, 08:05 PM
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^^ That's not a denigration of 'his work,' involving his charities, etc. IMO, it's more a reflection of Diana's disappointment, frustration and anger at her husband in regard to their personal differences and his inability to understand and to love her. Diana and Charles were both very needy emotionally and very unsuited to each other in many ways. What a blessing it is though that together they produced such fine sons: William and Harry.

It seems to me that despite the problems and personality differences Diana and Charles experienced, they were fairly much on the same page in how much they loved their sons, and in how they chose to raise them. Remarkably, their sons appear to love and respect both of their parents, despite their parents' personal failings and marriage break-up.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:40 PM
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Just a silly question here.........what day is today? Sept 1, 2017, isn't it time to move on from this Diana tirade that has been going on now for how many months, years and generations............honestly I really don't think there is anything left of her to talk about anymore, and YES I know we all have our own opinions here and can voice them......yet she has been pulled apart, upside down, inside out, turned every which way, buried and the reopened again, taken apart and put back together and then taken apart again.......what is left of this poor soul to talk about, drag down, build up, turn around and again and again and then doctored all over again.........and still someone finds something else to cut up and chew up and spit out again and again..........poor lady must be laughing her head off at all the silliness that goes on about her life from above. Her boys must so be wanting to breath a breath of fresh air now that the time of her passing has past and all can move on peacefully or some not........... for they live their life through her only each day......

My deepest apologizes to everyone here and to the mods for my tirade on this subject....hiding in my deep part of the earth so you can't find me...
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:07 PM
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This thread is one of 30 and they are on going all year on
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:20 PM
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Thank you for telling me that as I did not know that and it shows me that there is so little to really talk about and how sad that this is still going on with very little thought of what to say anymore, it is a repeat of repeat again and again and that is such a waste as there is more to life then one person regardless of whom she was married to or what she did........some just can't get over her passing it seems and are stuck in time way back when...moving on here...........
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:30 PM
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Her life will be rehashed, debated, dissected etc etc for the rest of time due to the damage she did to the BRF as well as the good she did in other ways. She is now a figure in history and, like Anne Boleyn, will be discussed, taught and researched for the rest of time so these sorts of stories will still be appearing 100, 200, 500, 1000 years from now.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:28 AM
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Thank you for telling me that as I did not know that and it shows me that there is so little to really talk about and how sad that this is still going on with very little thought of what to say anymore, it is a repeat of repeat again and again and that is such a waste as there is more to life then one person regardless of whom she was married to or what she did........some just can't get over her passing it seems and are stuck in time way back when...moving on here...........
well she's a historical figure, to some controversial, to others' beloved. I think that any historical figure is going to be discussed and debated. there is plety of talk on the web and in life about people, and other people, can't see the point of it. I cant' see the point of discussing sports, but I don't go on a sports forum. if you don't want to talk abot Diana, there are other royals. But why not complain that THEY are dead or not interesting?
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:29 AM
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^ Saying in her NOTORIOUS interview 'he shouldn't be King' seems a crystal clear 'write off' to me...
She did not say he shouldn't be king. She said that she thought that the position would be limiting for him.
And it is not denigrating his work to say that. She never said such a thing.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:44 AM
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Just a silly question here.........what day is today? Sept 1, 2017, isn't it time to move on from this Diana tirade that has been going on now for how many months, years and generations............honestly I really don't think there is anything left of her to talk about anymore, and YES I know we all have our own opinions here and can voice them......yet she has been pulled apart, upside down, inside out, turned every which way, buried and the reopened again, taken apart and put back together and then taken apart again.......what is left of this poor soul to talk about, drag down, build up, turn around and again and again and then doctored all over again.........and still someone finds something else to cut up and chew up and spit out again and again..........poor lady must be laughing her head off at all the silliness that goes on about her life from above. Her boys must so be wanting to breath a breath of fresh air now that the time of her passing has past and all can move on peacefully or some not........... for they live their life through her only each day......

My deepest apologizes to everyone here and to the mods for my tirade on this subject....hiding in my deep part of the earth so you can't find me...
I actually quite enjoyed it!

But the whole point of a forum is to discuss whatever the subject is surely? There are open threads here which are donkeys years old which is wonderful! As already posted, Diana is a royal historical figure so not to include her would be to say, at the least rude and at best a bit weird!

This has been a special Anniversary so yes, more to say, but Diana isn't going away. Diana will long outlive this forum!!
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:52 AM
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I actually quite enjoyed it!

But the whole point of a forum is to discuss whatever the subject is surely? There are open threads here which are donkeys years old which is wonderful! As already posted, Diana is a royal historical figure so not to include her would be to say, at the least rude and at best a bit weird!

This has been a special Anniversary so yes, more to say, but Diana isn't going away. Diana will long outlive this forum!!
I agree with the concept that Diana always will be a focus on discussion for years to come. In her 36 years, she did make a huge impact on the world around her and her work and her legacy live on through her sons. Even the not so good aspects of Diana have had their impact and wrought changes in various ways.

One thing I wish could happen though is that when discussing Diana, the focus remains on her and not the other casts of characters that surrounded her life. Of course they influenced and brought to the surface many facets of Diana that we wouldn't have known about had they not happened but if we keep a focus on Diana in Diana threads, Charles in Charles threads and so forth. It keeps things neater for intelligent discussion when there's no blame game being played or throwing stones or pinning labels based on personal opinion on the casts of characters in Diana's life.

We need to remain objective if we really want to delve into the persona of Diana, Princess of Wales. Seeing things from all angles gives us more pieces of the puzzle to see a complete picture.
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