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Aren't you the person who still believes royalty are better than the rest of us because of their blood? And you also have a problem with women who had normal jobs marrying into royal families? You have a lot of archaic beliefs when it comes to royalty.
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Aren't you the person who still believes royalty are better than the rest of us because of their blood? And you also have a problem with women who had normal jobs marrying into royal families? You have a lot of archaic beliefs when it comes to royalty.
You are not consequent. As long as you do not go for a democratically elected head of state, you are as every bit as archaïc as me, Madam. Actually there is nothing more archaïc than going down to your knees and mumble "Your Royal Highness" to a Kate or to a Meghan.

My point is that when we all, well-educated people with a sound mind, want to go on with something as a monarchy, a form of state which designates the head of state by the womb he/she once crawled out, then it is only sustainable when indeed something of the fairytale (and that is it) is kept.

I have to stick to the rules, krack my dear old knees in reverence to you and pay for your royal lifesphere? Okay, may I -in return- request Your Most High- and Wellborn ladies and gentlemen to stick to the old rules as well? Or is that too much asked? If not, I would advocate an end to this ongoing vaudeville and go for a republican system.
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I personally didn't find anything new regarding the charity talk that I hadn't already heard about a dozen times. I guess this program involving her kids I thought it would be more enlightening but that's just how I feel.
well I didn't watch it and I don't think I will. I was dubious about how Will adn Harry seem to be talking a lot about Diana and themselves lately, and felt that it would be embarrassingly twee ("you're in the photo in the tummy")or perhaps too controversial and stir up old angers. ANd IMO it has.
I think that their referring to problems that happened at the funeral and other things they said were bound to set off "Diana haters" or "Charles haters" ad I think that's what happened. Not that I feel they were wrong in essence to pay tribute to their mother, but I don't think they have the smarts to do it well and I think I was correct.
I would like ot hear more of her charity work.. because in latter years all we get on royal forums is people either nagging about Charles' behaviour or Dian'as in the their private life. and her good work for charity is ignored.
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:41 AM
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I have just finished watching it and I think it was amazing. There is nothing in it to upset Charles or anyone else. She has given us two wonderful men and helped so many causes. If anyone finds fault in any of it then I think they have the problem.
I find it astonishing that anyone can criticize something they haven't watched.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:05 AM
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I have just finished watching it and I think it was amazing. There is nothing in it to upset Charles or anyone else. She has given us two wonderful men and helped so many causes. If anyone finds fault in any of it then I think they have the problem.
I find it astonishing that anyone can criticize something they haven't watched.
I have watched it. And while every bit was true, it is also what the boys did not show. So it was a very rosé-tinted view. As a retrospect of two loving sons to their mother: great tribute. As a retrospect on the person which was Diana, Princess of Wales: far from complete.


For an example: I am sure that the children of Mr Trump can make exactly the same loving tribute about their father. We all will know that such a tribute -with every bit being true- will be far from complete.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:15 AM
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I have just finished watching it and I think it was amazing. There is nothing in it to upset Charles or anyone else. She has given us two wonderful men and helped so many causes. If anyone finds fault in any of it then I think they have the problem.
I find it astonishing that anyone can criticize something they haven't watched.
I have read much of the text of the programme, and I found it off putting. Why waste my time watching the whole programme? From what other people have said, there are quite a few things in it that I think are just causing trouble and controversy. and I'm no great fan of Will and Harry.
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:06 AM
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Earl Spencer pleads with Channel 4 not to broadcast Diana tapes

Suddenly the 'noble' Lord discovers the value of privacy and discretion...
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well yes I like Chas S in many ways. I think he's an intelligent man and interesting. However I think he has been foolish in talking about Diana and in his involvement in the Morton book initially but he may have thought at the time he was doing her some good. but he does talk too much. and the more you talk to the media, the more they and the public will clamour for more and for dirtier stories. and make them up if they haven't got them. A discreet silence wont protect you, but it will lessen the chances of your being splashed all over the papers or internet so much and people will realise that if you haven't sad anytihg you at least can't be accused of "saying too much".
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:02 PM
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well I didn't watch it and I don't think I will. I was dubious about how Will adn Harry seem to be talking a lot about Diana and themselves lately, and felt that it would be embarrassingly twee ("you're in the photo in the tummy")or perhaps too controversial and stir up old angers. ANd IMO it has.
I think that their referring to problems that happened at the funeral and other things they said were bound to set off "Diana haters" or "Charles haters" ad I think that's what happened. Not that I feel they were wrong in essence to pay tribute to their mother, but I don't think they have the smarts to do it well and I think I was correct.
I would like ot hear more of her charity work.. because in latter years all we get on royal forums is people either nagging about Charles' behaviour or Dian'as in the their private life. and her good work for charity is ignored.
May I ask what smarts you feel WnH would need to have to do a documentary like this? I operated under the position that anything they said could be taken the wrong way by the media. Do you feel Harry should not have made the comment about walking at the funeral?
If you decide to never watch the documentary you aren't missing very much I found it quite a waste of my time.
I will say I thought the tummy comment was adorable; and it was moments like that as well as Harry's comments about their identical children's outfits that I liked.



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and I'm no great fan of Will and Harry.
Really, I did not know this. Rather shocked too hear you say that.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:33 PM
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Neither William nor Harry referred to any problems around their attending the funeral or walking in it in their tribute to their mother. That's what comes IMO of commenting on something you haven't seen.

It's Earl Spencer who's stirred things up in that direction since the doco in the BBC podcast which Dman posted. I don't know if you've heard that either, Denville.

The documentary was about as non-controversial as it was possible to be IMO, and as I like Harry I enjoyed seeing both sons talking in a nice, kind and loving way about their mother.
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I watched half an hour of it tonight, but feel I 'got the jist'..

Turned over to watch the Ypres commemoration which seemed more important, and less saccharine...
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Old 07-30-2017, 07:36 PM
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Neither William nor Harry referred to any problems around their attending the funeral or walking in it in their tribute to their mother. That's what comes IMO of commenting on something you haven't seen.

It's Earl Spencer who's stirred things up in that direction since the doco in the BBC podcast which Dman posted. I don't know if you've heard that either, Denville.

The documentary was about as non-controversial as it was possible to be IMO, and as I like Harry I enjoyed seeing both sons talking in a nice, kind and loving way about their mother.

In all fairness Harry has said something very recently about that and he was not positive about it either.


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Old 07-30-2017, 08:05 PM
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Yes, he said children should never be asked to do such a thing. However, this was a oncer, a silent walk which he, as a child happily agreed to. The benefits of 20/20 hindsight and the not surprising trauma it caused give a different view.

He never said he was made to walk, he was asked. However, the chance of such a situation with its own particular dynamics occurring again are infintisimal.
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I don't know that I would use the term 'happily agreed to'...we don't really know for sure however I rather doubt he was happy to do it.


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Old 07-30-2017, 08:39 PM
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Yes, he said children should never be asked to do such a thing. However, this was a oncer, a silent walk which he, as a child happily agreed to. The benefits of 20/20 hindsight and the not surprising trauma it caused give a different view.

He never said he was made to walk, he was asked. However, the chance of such a situation with its own particular dynamics occurring again are infintisimal.
And a 12 year old child, even without having received a recent shock and in the beginning stages of grief could be influenced to agree to doing something he didn't want to do, may have even been influenced to think it was his duty to his mother to do it. I sincerely doubt "happily" was anywhere close to an emotion that was being experienced.

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I have watched it. And while every bit was true, it is also what the boys did not show. So it was a very rosé-tinted view. As a retrospect of two loving sons to their mother: great tribute. As a retrospect on the person which was Diana, Princess of Wales: far from complete.


For an example: I am sure that the children of Mr Trump can make exactly the same loving tribute about their father. We all will know that such a tribute -with every bit being true- will be far from complete.
I don't understand why some people expected this to be an unbiased historical documentary. Her sons were not going to be involved in a program that rehashed her problems and scandals. It was as I expected- a sweet tribute to a mother who died too young.
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I think some posters are disappointed there was nothing to criticize. So sad if that's how you view life. And to bring Trump into this thread is beyond absurd
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:34 PM
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One thing that is clear is that different people have different viewpoints on the facets of Diana's life that are of interest to them. Each and every facet, whether it be her charity work, her private life and loves, her relationship with her sons as a mother and the chronicles of her fashions, is available somewhere out there in documentaries, magazines, TV interviews and many, many places in cyberspace and books on Diana could fill a wall space in a private library.

Everything adds up to the big picture that was Diana, Princess of Wales. One person's memories may clash with another's and its by looking at everything objectively from all angles the we can formulate our own opinions of this one woman who, like it or not, affected the world around her.
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I don't know that I would use the term 'happily agreed to'...we don't really know for sure however I rather doubt he was happy to do it.


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And a 12 year old child, even without having received a recent shock and in the beginning stages of grief could be influenced to agree to doing something he didn't want to do, may have even been influenced to think it was his duty to his mother to do it. I sincerely doubt "happily" was anywhere close to an emotion that was being experienced.
Perhaps I should have said "blithely". We are also talking about a boy who did not yet understand the depths of grief, a child . . . yes, but a true "innocent". The same innocent who lobbied hard and didn't really understand the reasons why he was told he could not accompany his father to France to bring his mother home. That is why I believe he said: "a child should never be asked to do that".

To put it simply, he did not understand at all what he was going to do except walk with his dad who also didn't know what to expect. Harry has spent the best part of twenty years trying to reconcile himself to the consequences. Tony Blair et al did not know if William would accompany them until the day of the funeral.

Prince Philip had not planned to walk but he said he would (I'm guessing) to support William whom (I believe) would not leave Harry to walk without him. That this was a unique occasion is emphasised by their joining the rest of the family to walk behind the Queen Mother's gun carriage.
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I doubt if he "blithely" or "happily" agreed to do anything so painful.... but he may not have realised, when he agreed to do it, just exactly what it entailed. IN fact I'm sure he didn't, and he found it very upsetting when he was doig it.

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Neither William nor Harry referred to any problems around their attending the funeral or walking in it in their tribute to their mother. That's what comes IMO of commenting on something you haven't seen.

It's Earl Spencer who's stirred things up in that direction since the doco in the BBC podcast which Dman posted. I don't know if you've heard that either, Denville.

The documentary was about as non-controversial as it was possible to be IMO, and as I like Harry I enjoyed seeing both sons talking in a nice, kind and loving way about their mother.
That's not my impression.. I thougt that Harry and Will had said that they were not happy about walking in the funeral and felt that it should not have been asked of them.. at least that harry certainly said that. And Charles S has said before that he ddn't think the boys should have been doing this, as far as I can remember.. But if they say something as well, he's bound to put his 2 cents worth in..and bring the subject up again.

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May I ask what smarts you feel WnH would need to have to do a documentary like this? I operated under the position that anything they said could be taken the wrong way by the media. Do you feel Harry should not have made the comment about walking at the funeral?





Really, I did not know this. Rather shocked too hear you say that.
I take it you're being sarcastic so I wont respond.
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I think it is great that William and Harry have spoken out. They had to endure a lot after her death:
- Diana is alive, living in Africa!
- Diana was pregnant with Dodi´s child
- Diana was killed on royal order/government order
- Diana was a lunatic

etc. etc.

It is great William and Harry could finally talk about how she was to them, after all insane things that has been written about her.
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