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Old 07-27-2017, 12:29 PM
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Earl Spencer is a pompous twit that needs to be reminded of one simple lesson in life: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all,"

You wanted him to say something nice about being told his nephews wanted to walk behind their mother's coffin, when they really didn't want to?
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:38 PM
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You wanted him to say something nice about being told his nephews wanted to walk behind their mother's coffin, when they really didn't want to?


We don't know the true story. Harry talking about it 20 years later maybe different from 1997 Harry was telling his family. William was the one that was previously reported as being hesitant and then he agreed after Philip agreed to walk with him when Philip wasn't initially walking.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:34 PM
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I suspect if one asked four or five members of ANY Family to recall the feelings or motivation of any one of them during a MAJOR Family crisis 20 years past, one would get MANY varied versions.

Another reason why 'raking over the Coals' of the late Princess' death was CERTAIN to result in 'point scoring' and acrimony...
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:53 PM
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Exactly Wyevale. It was a bad idea, the documentary It cuodl have been doene without dragging up old upsets and quarrels - it could have been a tribute to Diana as a mother and as a charity worker, and they could have spoken of their love for her, their grief and how they wnantted to continue with her work for people in need but they seem to have gone into sadnesses that are best left in the past..and left it open to others to bring up old issues that wold probably be best left behind for many more years.
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:54 PM
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Earl Spencer is a pompous twit that needs to be reminded of one simple lesson in life: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all,"

that would rather limit conversation and history wouldn't it?
there is a time and a place for saying "unkind things". if Charles S wanted to write an autobiography later in life, and bring up these issues, that IMO would be the way to make his views known, years later when Diana's boys are granddads and passions have cooled...
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Old 07-27-2017, 02:00 PM
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We don't know the true story. Harry talking about it 20 years later maybe different from 1997 Harry was telling his family. William was the one that was previously reported as being hesitant and then he agreed after Philip agreed to walk with him when Philip wasn't initially walking.
Exactly. If he hadn't walked behind the coffin, he would probably regret it today in a similar way not having walked the last way together with his mother but leaving her alone, cursing himself that he couldn't do it. It was an impossible situation, not only for a child but imo the right thing to do. Either way it would always be hurtful.
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Old 07-27-2017, 02:01 PM
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We don't know the true story. Harry talking about it 20 years later maybe different from 1997 Harry was telling his family. William was the one that was previously reported as being hesitant and then he agreed after Philip agreed to walk with him when Philip wasn't initially walking.
No, we don't the full details on how everything went down, but we do know Harry has expressed his disagreement on the decision and William wasn't onboard until his grandfather decided to accompany him.

No one should be coming down hard on Earl Spencer on being misled by palace officials on the matter.

For 20 years I personally thought William and Harry walking behind their mother's coffin was incredibly brave, but now we're getting the hint that things weren't all that oke-doke on the idea.
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of course it could not be easy for them.. but IMO it was the right thing for Will at least to do.. he was old enough IMO to pay that tribute to his mother of being with her to the end of her journey. He says he regretted that he and H cut short their last phone call to her because they wanted to go out and have fun...how would he feel if he hadn't done that walk? I think very poorly of Spencer for dragging this up, and the boys IMO should not have raised the issues because it is in the past and controversial.. and by bringing it up they are raising upsets In their family...
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Old 07-27-2017, 02:21 PM
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of course it could not be easy for them.. but IMO it was the right thing for Will at least to do.. he was old enough IMO to pay that tribute to his mother of being with her to the end of her journey. He says he regretted that he and H cut short their last phone call to her because they wanted to go out and have fun...how would he feel if he hadn't done that walk? I think very poorly of Spencer for dragging this up, and the boys IMO should not have raised the issues because it is in the past and controversial.. and by bringing it up they are raising upsets In their family...
No one in the family will be upset by any of this, Danville. William and Harry and Earl Spencer are allowed to have their feeling expressed on the issue. I don't think they are mad about it, but just disagree on the idea on reflection.

I used to think it was the right move as her family and it's a tradition for the royals to walk in major funeral processions. They just didn't feel it was the right move due to their grief and with the whole world on their backs.
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How do you know? Look at all the disagreements this Programme has sprarked off here. If there were really problems and tensions about the funeral among the 2 families at the time.. and I'm sure there were, as funerals can bring painful emotions to the fore...I would say that this programme is bound to raise painful memories among W and H's relatives...
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No one should be coming down hard on Earl Spencer on being misled by palace officials on the matter.
Pre-supposing one believes him.. but I do NOT.
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I don't know exactly.. I Don't think thtat the boys were forced into it.. perhaps persuaded...I don't believe that Philip would allow them to be seriously pushed and I woud believe that he said to Will that he'd regret it if he didn't do the walk. I think that Charles S was very much agianst the idea, so perhaps he was told that the boys were OK with it, when in fact they were nervous. But I think that Phil would not have wanted Will and Harry to do it if they were really scared or unhappy and if they had really been unable to face it they would have been lef out.
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:01 PM
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How do you know? Look at all the disagreements this Programme has sprarked off here. If there were really problems and tensions about the funeral among the 2 families at the time.. and I'm sure there were, as funerals can bring painful emotions to the fore...I would say that this programme is bound to raise painful memories among W and H's relatives...
There nothing there to make the families upset, Denville. The program 'Diana, Our Mother: Her Life and Legacy' was made by her family and friends to reflect on their precious memories of her and her lasting legacy. Nothing about it was an attack on anyone. Its people on the net that has decided to turn such a touching documentary into something bad and PR nightmare for the royal family.

I think people have to stop making it seem like everything and anything to do with Diana is an attack on the royal family. Diana has never been a threat to the royal family when she was alive and she's not a threat to the royal family in death.

Diana was a wife, mother, sister, friend and royal humanitarian. Her loved ones and the world lost a beautiful person nearly 20 years ago. We should be using the anniversary of her passing to reflect on the precious memories of her life and the many charitable causes she cared so deeply about. Not allowing the media to turn this anniversary into a PR problem. It's totally far from it.
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of couse Diana was a threat to the RF...
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:14 PM
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To me the idea of the Princes 'walking behind the Coffin' has ALL the hallmarks of Tony Blair's 'Sofa Government'.. {Democratic, down with the kids, approachable, 'Peoples Princess' populist baloney}
It didn't come from HMQ, nor the POW.. or the Spencer's .The DoE ' went along with it' but it doesn't strike me as his sort of idea. Not 'the Household' nor the Private Secretary either..[who KNOW their Sovereign and what she wants].

Along with another of 'Tony's' ideas, it proved to be a BAD one.
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:18 PM
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of couse Diana was a threat to the RF...
No, she wasn't. The media built it up as if She was a threat, but she wasn't. She and her husband went through a bad separation and divorce. The media used their personal issues as a soap opera and made it seem like the House of Windsor was going to fall. None of that was true. It's going to take a great deal to make that happen.

We have to stop making it seem like the subject of Diana and anything to do with her family talking about her is something that neeeds to be shut down and never spoken of again.
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:44 PM
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Exactly. They had spent the week protecting those children from the media in Balmoral. To force them to be on public display doesn't seem to be something that would have been pushed by their grandparents. Someone has posted that it has the hallmarks of a Tony Blair-ish media event. That makes sense to me.


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Old 07-27-2017, 03:51 PM
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You guys do know the Lord Chamberlain of the Royal Household and his office is what arranges the royal funerals. The Earl of Airlie at the time. Tony Blair had nothing to do with it.
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:58 PM
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What's not healthy about being told they have another Granny who loves them but lives in the sky (or where ever)?

I think "obsessively living in the past" because he talks to his children about Granny Diana is a bit of an exaggeration?
I totally agree. when you stop remembering the person htat has passed away, and stop talking about them is when they truly die.
It's always healthy for the person to talk about them and share their memories, that way the children grow up "knowing" this person (in a certain way) and know it's ok to ask questions.
Personal example: Both my brothers have passed away. my middle brother was 29 when he passed away. I had my daughter in 1999 and my brother passed in 1993. we, my parents and I, have talked so much about him, that she "knows" him. She also knows that she can ask questions about him without us getting upset or cry or depressed. It helps sharing the memories and it helps in the healing process. my 2nd brother passed in 2013. By talking about my 1st brother, and being exposed to "memories" my daughter was able to go thru the grieving process a little easier than not having been exposed.
So personally: "obsessively living in the past" is a bit harsh. We each grieve differently and in different times. Their are no rules for this and we should not judge each other.
The way I see W & H's documentary, is 2 MEN sharing their memories with the world on a mother who was lost to them when they were BOYS. All the other crap coming out because of her anniversary is just that: crap, and totally irrelevant. Just the same old drivel from the same old mouths, hoping to make a quick buck or get another 15 min in the spot light. To me, that's the sad part.
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the Lord Chamberlain of the Royal Household and his office is what arranges the royal funerals
ANY Brit will tell you that Messrs Blair and Campbell paid NO attention to such niceties during their period of office.. NO Civil Servant or Courtier was beyond the reach of their power. Especially in that panic-stricken post accident period...
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