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Does the German court ban against paparazzi mean that we'll be seeing very few pictures now of Caroline and her family? Most of the pics that we see probably wouldn't qualify as "news", under the restrictions.
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Does the German court ban against paparazzi mean that we'll be seeing very few pictures now of Caroline and her family? Most of the pics that we see probably wouldn't qualify as "news", under the restrictions.
It means that the Princess has a right on an undisturbed private life. And as the Princess as hardly a public role in Germany and in Monaco, this obviously leads to much fewer pictures.

Before the European Court issued its groundbreaking ruling, we saw Caroline in the supermarket, Caroline in a boutique, Caroline waiting for a traffic light, Caroline picking up her children, Caroline on the beach, Caroline walking in a park, Caroline sailing on the sea, etc. etc. etc.

The pictures you see now are from official and public events: the Fête Nationale, a concert by the Monaco Philiharmonic Orchestra, the wedding of the Crown Prince of Denmark, the Balle de la Rose, etc.
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The pictures you see now are from official and public events: the Fête Nationale, a concert by the Monaco Philiharmonic Orchestra, the wedding of the Crown Prince of Denmark, the Balle de la Rose, etc.
Henri, we still see pictures taken in the streets, in a ski centre or in the Pacha, she´s a public figure and they cannot forbid taking pics, or they are not respecting the resolution.
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Henri, we still see pictures taken in the streets, in a ski centre or in the Pacha, she´s a public figure and they cannot forbid taking pics, or they are not respecting the resolution.
The European Union is powerful. But not thát powerful that its jurisdiction stretches out to the bookshops in South America....



In comparison with few years ago you see far fewer pictures in French, Spanish and Italian magazines. And íf they have pictures, it are all the same in all the countries, all from the same public event.

Andrea, Pierre and Charlotte have a much, much quieter life than their mother ever had.

Princess Máxima is stalked in Argentinean streets, in boutiques in Buenos Aires, walking with her mother. These pictures have become very rare in Dutch press, since the Media Code is in working. But we know that these pics do appear in magazines outside the EU.
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But I can see a difference between german and let say spanish or italian magazines. In Germany you won't be able to find paparazzi pics of Caroline and the kids, but I've found some in spanish or italian mags all the time. That is the thing I'm not able to understand. Why does she sue german magazines but not spanish ones. Pretty strange to me....
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But I can see a difference between german and let say spanish or italian magazines. In Germany you won't be able to find paparazzi pics of Caroline and the kids, but I've found some in spanish or italian mags all the time. That is the thing I'm not able to understand. Why does she sue german magazines but not spanish ones. Pretty strange to me....
I think because in Germany (Caroline) and in the Netherlands (Prince Willem-Alexander) have been very assertive and sued the one magazine after the other. This made a jurisprudence possible in which the EU Court ruling was implemented.

I think in Spain ths Spanish royal family is a bit hesistant and still treats the media with velvet gloves. The problem is that every nation needs to 'settle' the EU-ruling in their jurisprudence. That is something which needs time.

But the same phenomenon like in Germany (almost no private pictures of Caroline) is the same over here in the Netherlands. It is a pity that Kate Middleton has not continued her official complaint, but I think once the day will come that the British law will also impose a Media Code conform the EU ruling.
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I think because in Germany (Caroline) and in the Netherlands (Prince Willem-Alexander) have been very assertive and sued the one magazine after the other. This made a jurisprudence possible in which the EU Court ruling was implemented.

I think in Spain ths Spanish royal family is a bit hesistant and still treats the media with velvet gloves. The problem is that every nation needs to 'settle' the EU-ruling in their jurisprudence. That is something which needs time.

But the same phenomenon like in Germany (almost no private pictures of Caroline) is the same over here in the Netherlands. It is a pity that Kate Middleton has not continued her official complaint, but I think once the day will come that the British law will also impose a Media Code conform the EU ruling.
Precedent equals power. It does take time to build up precedent, but only precedent law matters. That is what gives the German magazines vs. Hannover to the use of someone like Middleton. Now that precedent is established in favor of the photographed rather than the photographer, people like Middleton, or whomever, that pursue rights to privacy,
will cite the Hannover case.
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If someone is interested in a video about the 2004 hearing at the European Court of Human Rights just click here, it's about 49min long and in french and englich - Video
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Here are some news:

Princess Caroline Faces Setback in German Paparazzi Lawsuit | Culture & Lifestyle | Deutsche Welle | 18.03.2008

Princess Caroline of Monaco suffered a legal setback on Tuesday, March 18, in her attempt to stop German magazines from publishing unauthorized photographs of her leisure-time activities.

Germany's Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe rejected a grievance from Princess Caroline of Monaco concerning the publication of a report and photographs about the leasing of the Kenyan home of the princess and her German husband, Prince Ernst August of Hanover.



IOL: Setback for Caroline's paparazzi crusade

Karlsruhe, Germany - Princess Caroline of Monaco suffered a legal setback on Tuesday in her bid to prevent German supermarket magazines publishing paparazzi photographs of her leisure pursuits.

The German Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe ruled that the High Court had restricted the freedom of the press by banning photographs that showed Caroline and her German husband, Prince Ernst August of Hanover, on holiday in Kenya.

The pictures appeared in the weekly magazine Sieben Tage next to a news item about the couple leasing out their Kenyan holiday home.
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New case in Caroline against the paparazzi and Germany
Carolina de Mónaco culpa a Alemania de no protegerla de los paparazzi | Noticias hola.com
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^There are a few reports in English on this development.

Princess Caroline of Monaco seeks swimsuit photo ban

AFP: Monaco's Princess Caroline asks European court to ban photos
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Princess Caroline was on the BBC today !!
It was a programme called "Law in Action" and dealt with the privacy laws. Her case was quoted.

It's available as a podcast: BBC - Podcasts - Law in Action , and it is available to listen for 30 days from now.
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Nooo! That would have been so boring if this went through...
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Bonjour,

It is an application (law suit) for recognition of personal rights, is bizarre in the fact that the applicants, (Caroline, and her husband) made an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, (after the German courts have rejected the violation the right of privacy desired by the couple)

Bizarre phenomenon, because the personality rights are not transferable.

And in this case, these are photographs of Prince Rainier, and not of Caroline, and her husband. What surely invalidate the pretension which has already been reject/invalidated/refusal in the German courts.

But not only because of that.

It is not just about photographs, but also a text where this picture is inserted, revealing the state of health (weak) of Prince Rainier, who at the time, still worked as a State (and the first figure in your hierarchy), and as such of that, the news is ... interrese public, for Monegasque, and/or its residents, but also of interest to those whose have business and/or financial interest takes in place of the Principality.

We can not disregard that the Principality of Monaco, is a leading global financial squares, and as such, clearly the public interest, the first main figure of the Monegasque State, and is health means a lot, for many countries, companies, organizations, ONG, etc ... we can not ignore these facts.

Caroline should be more prudent, and above of all ... tolerant with this last situation.

However, whatever the judgment of today (within hours) by the European court, Caroline got a huge problem, affecting many public figures ... his private life; spread by magazines (press people).

That has led to many changes in European legislation on this particular subject, since that.

__ As Immanuel Kant said, the major causes are gained through by little ``nothings´´.

http://www.lematin.ch/people/standar...9667#kommentar

Let's wait for the ``answer´´ to these application (law suit) of Caroline, by the European Court of Human Rights.


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When I used the expression above (Caroline, and her husband) I am referring of course to their (relationship) technically juridical situation in fact, so far none of the spouses required in court an application for divorce. In fact, Caroline is still married to the Prince of Hanover, for all legal purposes, although it is public knowledge, their are separated.
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Hello,

Well ... maybe I´m a witch, or a seer. A 5 hours ago I write in the last post, and the suspects I have ... were confirmed. Of course, I´m not a witch, I just have a cousin in Portugal, who is a attorney, and we speak about this yesterday night (by cellphone), and the conclusion was the same of the European court.

Princess Caroline of Monaco, lost the application (law suit) in the European Court of Human Rights.

Is not her fault, but his lawyer, he should know, that an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, would not be favorable, for obvious reasons, I have mentioned in previous post. (above)

There is the court's judgment, (see please in the attach) that my cousin had access, via the Portuguese Ministry of Justice, and Portuguese Attorney Association.

And we discuss the rest later ...
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IMO the judges have made a false decision.

The right of freedom of speech in this case should not be over the right of privacy.

Even if Caroline of Monaco is a public person, she should have the right to be undisturbed in holidays, going shopping or eating in a restaurant.
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The right of freedom of speech in this case should not be over the right of privacy.

paparazzis 1 - grimaldis 0
¿ and charlottes casiraghis law suite in frances ? is going to be the same!
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There is no right to privacy in a public setting. Those who want privacy in a public place, i.e., restaurant, salon, vacation spot, shop must book the establishment.
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In the European Union there is. P. Caroline won a landmark case a few years ago that said public people have a right to privacy when they are doing ordinary things. Also, if you read the entire article on this case she won 2 out of three issues so I don't think you can say she lost. I agreed with her on the lost issue also. The article was about Prince Rainier's illness and they showed a private picture of her walking. The press could have just as easily used an official photo of her . She was mentioned because she was 2nd in line at the time. I don't know if they showed a picture of PA or not. If they didn't, I would agree with her even more.
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