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Old 01-26-2007, 11:38 AM
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The other thing that bothers me is that many magazines make it seem that Caroline married Ernst to acquire a higher status in the Gotha, social climbing in other words. As if she were some vulgar parvenue...Some even suggest that getting pregnant before the wedding was a means to an end. So Andrea would be the fruit of love and Alexandra the fruit of scheming. How could Alexandra become reconciled to that idea ? Why don't they think of her and her feelings before they write that nonsense ?
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:50 PM
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The other thing that bothers me is that many magazines make it seem that Caroline married Ernst to acquire a higher status in the Gotha, social climbing in other words. As if she were some vulgar parvenue...Some even suggest that getting pregnant before the wedding was a means to an end. So Andrea would be the fruit of love and Alexandra the fruit of scheming. How could Alexandra become reconciled to that idea ? Why don't they think of her and her feelings before they write that nonsense ?
I don't think they do:) They think about sales more. And social climbing sells better.
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:29 AM
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The letter Caroline wrote to ask the Pope to annul her marriage to Junot (PARIS MATCH)
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:21 AM
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Last installment in my venting about how the press treats Prince Ernst in its retracing of Princess Caroline's fifty years. I read over and over again that Princess Grace wished for Caroline to marry Ernst. I have read many interviews of Princess Grace (have all the old ones from Point de Vue from when Caroline was 14 to about 20, and she gave quite a few back then, as well as to American magazines) and have never read it anywhere. Nor in her biographies. Where does it come from ?
At any rate, I don't understand why the press insists on presenting Caroline as fulfilling her mother's wish. I find it preposterous. I have always had the feeling Caroline did what she either felt like doing or felt she should be doing, but fulfilling a posthumous wish, at the expense of her feelings or those around her (marrying a man who knew she was'nt in love with him) to make her mother happy, so to speak, seems completely out of character. I think it's much more simple : she was in love with Ernst.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:58 AM
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Last installment in my venting about how the press treats Prince Ernst in its retracing of Princess Caroline's fifty years. I read over and over again that Princess Grace wished for Caroline to marry Ernst. I have read many interviews of Princess Grace (have all the old ones from Point de Vue from when Caroline was 14 to about 20, and she gave quite a few back then, as well as to American magazines) and have never read it anywhere. Nor in her biographies. Where does it come from ?
At any rate, I don't understand why the press insists on presenting Caroline as fulfilling her mother's wish. I find it preposterous. I have always had the feeling Caroline did what she either felt like doing or felt she should be doing, but fulfilling a posthumous wish, at the expense of her feelings or those around her (marrying a man who knew she was'nt in love with him) to make her mother happy, so to speak, seems completely out of character. I think it's much more simple : she was in love with Ernst.
I think that this is a pure speculation. Princess Grace might have this thought, but she would never declare it, especially in an interview, she was full of dignity, and this kind of declaration is quite ashaming for Caroline. Ernst and Caroline at this time had never an official relation, maybe just an "affair" , so how could Princess Grace, with her position declare such a thing?
Maybe, during a querel with Caroline, at the time of Junot, she may had shouted "instead of this playboy you could have choose a real nice Prince like EA", but never officially, she was very carefull.

And Caroline, after all the dramaw she has on her life, I do not see her having a marriage just to satisfy an old mother's wish of 20 years ago.
Thing that Caroline got involved with EA while he was still married, it was a situation difficult enough, to come just for such a light reason.
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Old 02-14-2007, 12:36 PM
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Totally agree with your reasoning !
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Ernst was asked about this rumor soon after the wedding; he said he doubts Princess Grace could have had such an opinion, because he was quite "wild" in his 20s, but that it was a "nice" and inoffensive rumor that he and his wife didn't feel the need to deny. So apparently the rumor is not true...
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Ernst was asked about this rumor soon after the wedding; he said he doubts Princess Grace could have had such an opinion, because he was quite "wild" in his 20s, but that it was a "nice" and inoffensive rumor that he and his wife didn't feel the need to deny. So apparently the rumor is not true...
Maybe in part is true, i read in a Caroline´s interview she said her mother used to go throught the Almanach de Gotta ( not sure of the spelling)looking for a prince for her. It was ovbiously a comment within the family.Caroline told she rebelled against this,,because she didn´t want to marry "one of those boring princes".
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You can find Ernst's interview in this thread: Caroline & Ernst August Pictures Part II post 7:

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"I don't think that's true. But it does not make sense to disclaim a utterly harmless story. I believe, if she had seen me as a small boy, she would have said: You marry him in no case."
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I have read the story about Grace saying she wanted Caroline to marry Ernst in two different books. The Grimaldi Dynasty (or something like that) and Ever After. I read that she was looking through a book with a list of eligible royal bachelors and Ernst was one of them. Caroline said that she had met Ernst when they were younger and found him boring... Obviously he's not boring any more though!! =)
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Some clippings of Caroline with Philippe and Grace at the Maxims in 1979:

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I just noticed : Caroline is wearing almost the same skirt, with Stefano, and with Ernst.

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WithStefano at the 1985 Red Cross Ball (Paris Match)
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I love the dress she wore to that Red Cross ball. White looks great on her:)
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