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Old 06-24-2010, 04:26 PM
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Charlotte Casiraghi attends the 15th Monte-Carlo International Jumping on June 24, 2010 in Monte-Carlo, Monaco

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Old 06-24-2010, 04:44 PM
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Those are fabulous pictures. Even though Charlotte didn't do well with Troy for the 1m25, Monaco had a couple of good wins Thursday. For the 1m15, Wenceslas Thomel was third place and Wilfried Rico was 7th, both prize spots.
In the 1m25 from which Char was eliminated, her Monaco mate Florence Bord was 6th and 7th place. Go home team!!!

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Troy had been doing better. He did great at Cannes but is now sliding back again. I think he is challenging Charlotte to be the alpha horse and he is winning so far.

I watched that slow motion video again and noticed some things. I don't think Charlotte was riding off balance when she put her feet back. Troy likes to drag both his front and back hoofs along the top of the rail. She was kicking him to make sure his back feet went up. Also, she doesn't appear to hold her reins much different with Troy. He was just fighting her. He appears to be awry.

Tintero on the other hand seems to have lots of heart and likes to jump. He jumps several inches over the top of the fences.
You do not know about how to treat horses. She is being too hard with Troy. When you try to force a horse, the horse won't respond well. You have to build a relationship of trust and ease the horse to want what you want.
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:17 PM
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. I don't think Charlotte was riding off balance when she put her feet back. Troy likes to drag both his front and back hoofs along the top of the rail. She was kicking him to make sure his back feet went up.
Never in my life did I hear about such a technique. Probably because it doesn't exist. You don't kick a horse mid air to make sure its feet go up! It would be useless and bad for your balance.
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You're right. I don't know anything about horses and I am not suggesting that Charlotte was in any way abusing her horse but I do know that horses are very skittish. Isn't that why jockeys and jumpers carry whips? It doesn't take much to get a prey animal's adrenaline going. I also think force is way too strong a word. I don't think you can force a 1000 lb animal to do anything it doesn't want to do. They are just battling for the leadership position in the team. I am sure Charlotte is trying very hard to build a relationship with Troy but he is a professional horse and not a pet. I have a friend who has a border collie. It is very smart, mischievous, and stubborn. Constantly testing you and wanting to be the leader. I have a feeling Troy has that same kind of personality.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:33 AM
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^Well, I am not an expert either, but I've been learning a lot lately about how to bond with horses. For the first time in my life I am learning to be around them and feel a connection. You really have to be gentle, and alert of course, and it's important for a novice like me to just let the horse show me what he/she wants/likes. That is how you build trust. You're right about skittish.... they are among the most sensitive creatures. I feel sorry for Troy. Somehow there is a disconnect between him and Charlotte. She's not understanding him somehow. Or she doesn't want to understand him. It almost seems like she doesn't care about what's going on with him, as long as she can make him do what she wants and make her look good. Maybe part of this stems from frustration. But whatever the case, it's not good. The bottom line is they are a bad match. I think we all agree on that! One side of the argument assigns blame to Troy, but the other side (mine) assigns it to Charlotte, the rider. But fault is beyond the point. They are a terrible match, period.
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Old 06-25-2010, 05:22 AM
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Oh, my God! I've been watching the tour live on GCT and I feel embarrased on behalf of the invitational 1.15 riders.
I know I've been critical with Charlotte riding skills before but, really, she is Queen of Amazons when compared with what I'm seeing right now.

I know the only reason the tour has this "special invitational" shows is for the sake of publicity and added glamour, but there should be some kind of limit about how bad a rider can be even if he has the most glamourous name on earth.

Really. A couple of the 1.15 riders were decent, but most of them were painful to watch. Bags of potatoes bumping on the saddle, fat unfit riders, people haging on the reins on every jump, unbalanced horses running like mad with their weight on the bit and dragging feet, jumps taken from so far away that the rider is left hanging...
Most times they save their necks because they are rich and have great horses.But those people don't even have national level.
They should be riding social un-official competitions at their riding clubs. Having them at such a high level international event is grotesque.
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Old 06-25-2010, 06:39 AM
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Thanks for the pictures.

Who is the guy with Caroline??? He is not Alex.
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Old 06-25-2010, 08:31 AM
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Oh, my God! I've been watching the tour live on GCT and I feel embarrased on behalf of the invitational 1.15 riders.
I know I've been critical with Charlotte riding skills before but, really, she is Queen of Amazons when compared with what I'm seeing right now.
I know. It's obvious that many of them do not have a good understanding of their horse. Half of the time I'm having to shut my eyes because I can't bring myself to watch. Like that guy who just got eliminated (was it Mohd Ghassan Qasar?) because the horse bucked him into the fence. I saw that coming from a mile off. Not a good rapport with his horse at all. And the way he pulled on the reins and the bit!
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Thanks for the pictures.

Who is the guy with Caroline??? He is not Alex.
She's playing with her hair. I'm tempted to say she fancies him like mad. I know I'm terrible but I believe in body language, even if you do only catch occasional glimpses in pictures. She is, at the very least, very friendly towards him. Looks like they get along great. Whoever he is though, he shouldn't smile like that. It's kind of scary. I don't mean that in a bad way and I know everyone has their days but just... And his hair! Boy needs a good haircut! Okay, I'm done being mean now. Thanks dazzling!
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:03 AM
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You can still have a great rapport w/your horse and have a bad ride - it's amazing what "spooks" horses (they have peripheral vision) - the flash of a camera, umberellas, decorated jumps, water under the jumps - when they spook, it's sometimes difficult to rein them back in and bucking, shying at jumps, run outs can occur.....and, sometimes greener horses are freaked out by new arenas and so many horses and people, noises - that can cause all of the above, too. Of course, some combinations of horse and rider just don't work - it's frustrating when you've tried to work w/a horse and they just won't respond to you - then, someone else gets on and has a smooth ride; can't take it personally, but you learn what type of horse temperament works for you (and them). Horse shows are stressful for both horse and rider - horses can certainly sense the tension, and instruction can get sloppy, which confuses them - greener horses NEED instruction, so if the rider is not calm, they are in for a bad ride.....
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I think this particular case was more a matter of how he treated the horse. The horse had what I call a "smiley face" from the bit being pulled too hard and was working against the reins. From the minute he came out into the arena the horse didn't look comfortable. But maybe something spooked him before hand and he responded by over-working to "rein him in" (pardon the pun )
I know that horses can be jumpy at the best of times but this time it just looked like horse and rider weren't on the same wave length. Though perhaps it was a little bit of an overreaction on my part to say that he has no rapport with the horse.

Caroline, Alex and Charlotte at Day 2 of the jumping. Getty Images Gallery I'm liking Caro's new friend. The puppy I mean.
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...watching Alves kick off the Massimo Dutti prize right now....

I tried to get going on the live feed in time for Char, but it's hard with the time difference.

She was 19/25 places (26 riders) in the 1m25 with Troy. Their time was 75.94 and had 6 fault points.

Tonight at 2100 is the Proam cup and afterward the riders will party hearty in the VIP area!

Monaco is 9 hours ahead of me. I'm in California. For those US east coasters out there, you have only to count back 6 hours, and 7 hours for Central Time folks.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:30 AM
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Tonight at 2100 is the Proam cup and afterward the riders will party hearty in the VIP area!
Which is still another... four and a half hours away? Then it's 1 and half hours of competition. Meh, who needs sleep anyway?
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^Yeah, it's Marco, and I think his wife CEcilia...... maybe those kids are their grandkids? Afra married in, what, 2006? The little girl maybe, could be 4 years old.....
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it's marco with his daughter gaia casiraghi and gaia's husband, mauro boroni. the children are gaia and mauro's children, so, marco's grandsons.
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Well, it's pretty safe to say one of those dachshunds is Charlotte's. And the other? Caroline held onto the one with the green collar. What happened to Romeo and Bo? I know Romeo was old so he might have departed for that great big dog park in the sky but Bo's only four or something. Or are they just on loan from someone? It honestly doesn't look like it though.
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afra is also marco's daughter. I think cecilia is the woman on the right (first photo), because gaia is the girl in front of marco
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Wow she looks like the Caroline at the end of the 80's in this pictures!
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