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Wow, great for Charlotte! Thanks rerehh!
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WTF??!!
Horse riding is "synonymous with high fashion, glamour and desirable lifestyle"????? That is what "it's all about"???

Now, you can call me Charlotte hater of whatever you want but this is one of the lamest stupidest spoildchildist things I ever read. If not downright insulting!!

I've lost all respect for that child, really.
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Old 05-05-2011, 10:59 AM
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Well, for the rest of us that haven't lost respect for Charlotte, the magazine is not Horse Illustrated or Practical Horseman. It's a lifestyle magazine meant to include the people and things that are influenced by the equestrian world. Most fashion houses have a line inspired by the sport, and there is a mystique about the sport for those that don't ride - it's often synonymous with royalty and the wealthy/powerful; it's majestic, the horses are beautiful and powerful, and I think the magazine is trying to capture all that equestrian sports inspire. I don't think the magazine completely denegrates the sport, nor did it change my opinion of Charlotte. Not sure about some other authors out here, but she IS an accomplished rider, she IS royal and wealthy; she's also closely tied to the world of fashion, so she's combined all her experience to help support this magazine - not sure what there is get so upset about.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:02 PM
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This is an excellent business move for the GCT TrepStep. She is attracting big sponsors. Sponsors are the ones who pay the prize money. She is providing a venue for each location to advertise as well as famous watch makers, fashion houses, etc. I have seen several quotes this year that they are trying to copy what Formula 1 car racing does. Did you notice that Jan Tops is her co-partner? I am wondering if PC was a private investor in GCT and has now turned it over to Charlotte? Charlotte seems highly motivated to promote show jumping. Then again, maybe she is just doing it for the love of the sport. Either way, show jumping will gain from her marketing skills. I have also noticed that since Charlotte started the Pro-Am that other large competitions, eg. Gucci Masters and Bordeaux are experimenting with entertaining with pro ams or pony races and jumping with small children to break up a day of jumping competitions.

You forget TrepStep that horse racing does exactly the same thing. The Kentucky Derby and Ascot are major social events. That is what Charlotte is trying to do. It's good business as well as good sport.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:42 PM
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Haha,it was ONLY some days ago I was saying to someone at the forums via PM that Charlotte can do miracles in publishing industry.Finally Charlotte,prove who you are.
Many of us here including me have been a little bit harsh on her from times to times but the pre-2007 C.C. was totally different,having high goals concerning her education etc and the transition to the whole party lifestyle was somehow bad.
Sometimes when we like someone we ''expect'' more from him and we misunderstand his motives but in the end of the day it's none of our business.I'm sure she's going to achieve many important things.
Trepstep nobody will call you Charlotte hater.I'm sure that if you re-read her quote once more,more calm you'll see that she didn't say anything wrong.Horse-riding is indeed an expensive sport.Even if someone doesn't have sponsors like Gucci I'm sure he/she has to spend a lot of money on his horses.But even if horse riding isn't the synonym of luxury,GCT surely is.See the list with the participants names:Rothschilds,Athina O. as patroness,etc.A lot of old money.
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Old 05-05-2011, 09:49 PM
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Well, for the rest of us that haven't lost respect for Charlotte, the magazine is not Horse Illustrated or Practical Horseman. It's a lifestyle magazine meant to include the people and things that are influenced by the equestrian world. Most fashion houses have a line inspired by the sport, and there is a mystique about the sport for those that don't ride - it's often synonymous with royalty and the wealthy/powerful; it's majestic, the horses are beautiful and powerful, and I think the magazine is trying to capture all that equestrian sports inspire. I don't think the magazine completely denegrates the sport, nor did it change my opinion of Charlotte. Not sure about some other authors out here, but she IS an accomplished rider, she IS royal and wealthy; she's also closely tied to the world of fashion, so she's combined all her experience to help support this magazine - not sure what there is get so upset about.
Thank You rereh for the posting!!! I'm so excited for Charlotte! I hope this works for her, I think it will, as I've said in the past I think, IMO that GCT is a move in the right direction for Charlotte. You GO GIRL!
And as always thanks to Horsegal for her accurate sensible and balanced (fair) observations regarding Charlotte.
It's so funny, on a personal note, I just watched Secretariat last night!
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:07 PM
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Thanks Vanya - I don't take any of this too seriously. Charlotte is as human as the rest of us......although, anyone who believes they are perfect can cast the first stone......I enjoy hearing about the Monaco Principality - it's the oldest royal/sovereign house, and I grew up watching Princess Caroline and Stephanie, so I find it interesting to see how their kids develop. I don't know them personally, not trying to push my personal values and goals/expectations onto to them, and don't expect them to be perfect, prove anything to me, or live up to my expectations. We all make mistakes, make good decions, follow our heart, date the wrong guy, marry the right one, whatever.....if you never try things, and learn/grow....I feel sorry for you. Perhaps university wasn't for her, in the end - she's giving her equestrian experience a go, as well as acting as editor for a new and exciting magazine....I wish her the best!
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hi, guys... I'm not sure but I think this is probably going to be my last post here... I'm enjoying coming here, and reading your posts, and I'll probably keep on lurking BUT...

When I 1st came here it was because of Charlotte: I though she was so pretty, and she had the glamour-dream factor, and I liked her style and she seemed intelligent and cultivated and loved horses... I never admired her because I don't admire anyone I don't know in person but I certainly liked her public image and loved to look at pics of her.

But now... the truth is I don't like her at all. I find her silly and pretentious and spoiled. I hate what she's done to her body, she looks so skniny I don't find her beautiful anymore, I don't like the way she dresses, and her horse-riding career is such a laugh that I can't take her seriously anymore.

When she started talking about maybe going to the Olympics I swear I was ashamed on her behalf, thinking about how all the real horse-riding people she hangs with should be laughing at her. The girl is so full of herself that she's lost her grasp on reality!

In the past few years she's done several things with her life that have shown to me that she is nothing more than a spoiled child who thinks that she's got talent and is special just because she is who she is.
The only time in her life when her connections and money where useless was at the ENS exam, she failed and she just stopped her studies??! Because she is Charlotte Casiraghi and she can't fail?
I'm sorry but the way she is lying about having completed her studies is just pathetic.

And the fact that she thinks that she has experience enough in the publishing world to be editor of a real magazine... when her art interviews and work in that fashion eco magazine were so amateurish! It's simply sad.

I thought I would give her a last chance, a chance to make me eat up all my words when I saw she was riding 1.40m with Troy. But watching her I didn't know whether to cry or laugh. She made a joke of herself. She took a fist awful jump, Troy refused to take the second one, she scarcely managed the third, failed at 4th... even the comentator was worried about her.

The fact that she thinks that she is ready to ride a 1.40, that she doesn't care about destroying the mental of her horses, or risking their health or having them injured, as long as she can show up, makes me despise her, I'm sorry.

It's obvious that she wants the media attention and wants to feel she is good and glamourous and blah blah blah... well if you don't mind looking like a fool, that's your problem, but at least you should care about the horse!

And that's the reason I think I'll probably won't be posting here anymore. Not because I don't like it here, but because I think that it would be more than weird to have a regular poster among you who's come to dislike Charlotte as a person and thinks she is a joke.
It would look like trolling and it certainly isn't. And it would lead to constant fights and discussions, and it woulnd't be fair for the rest of you or the moderators...
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:56 PM
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WTF??!!
Horse riding is "synonymous with high fashion, glamour and desirable lifestyle"????? That is what "it's all about"???

Now, you can call me Charlotte hater of whatever you want but this is one of the lamest stupidest spoildchildist things I ever read. If not downright insulting!!

I've lost all respect for that child, really.
Hun, she's aiming at a certain group. It's like telling Gywneth Paltow's blog GOOP is for all women when it's clearly aimed at the higher society.

And actually, I quite agree with Charlotte. High fashion not persé but equestrian fashion has been on the lift so much the past 7 years or so. With all kinds of new brands aswell. Glamour, depends on who you're aiming at, again. Desirable lifestyle? Well, if you can afford them, you're not poor either.

She's not telling you that the magazine is a must-read for everyone. I simply think you're overreacting. Vogue ain't for everyone either.

I dislike it when people start talking and assuming about these people you don't even know. And yes, at one point it does sound like trolling.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:40 PM
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Trepstep, It looks like you had higher expectations than Charlotte herself. It´s hard to swallow everything you have said about her, but if it´s your opinions it´s ok.

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As for Charlotte, she is a young girl looking for her place in the world. She doesn´t have to be good at everything. Many people try with different degrees before finding they are suitable for something. Many people never find it. Caroline was not doing much different at her age. It is remarkable that she tries to do something when she could just be enjoying life in a yatch.
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:36 AM
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trepstrep, I agree with your taking some much needed time off or leaving all together, especially as you have lost your fandom/mojo/respect/like/whatever you want to call it of Charlotte. I would hazard to guess it happens to all of us, at least once in our lifetime, and we just move on, and come back later if we feel like it. No biggie.

Au revoir, trepstrep, au revoir!
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:04 PM
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@Trepstrep I understand you re: Charlotte's 'allowing' people to have false ideas about her accomplishments. It is lame. She should be honest with herself and with the world. Because there is nothing to be ashamed of. So what if she didn't finish her studies? I mean, a lot of people don't finish a degree and they go on and do great things. But you have a point: Charlotte puts a lot of pressure on herself. She seems to think she HAS to be perfect (perfectionist, as she and everyone says) and so she can't handle the perceived "imperfection" of having failed to get into ENS and not getting a License. It is no failure, in my opinion, but I can see how she would feel like it is, and why she would want to cover it. She is a young girl with very high expectations of herself. I hope she eventually relaxes these expectations and gives herself a break.

@Fanofmonaco I agree that the GCT Life magazine is a good business move for the GCT, and I think it is great for Charlotte too, because it combines her interests! Her comments on the "glamor" and "desirable" lifestyle of the equestrian world (though Trep, understandably, finds them insulting) have some truth. It is, obviously, true that this is a very wealthy sport and the GCT is like the Rolls Royce of the sport. I am eager to see how this project plays out.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:53 PM
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How do you know that Charlotte did not get her license? Have you contacted her schools or the Palace?
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:04 AM
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WTF??!!
Horse riding is "synonymous with high fashion, glamour and desirable lifestyle"????? That is what "it's all about"???

Now, you can call me Charlotte hater of whatever you want but this is one of the lamest stupidest spoildchildist things I ever read. If not downright insulting!!

I've lost all respect for that child, really.
I agree with you when it comes to this. I read her interview somewhere else earlier today and when I got to that part I was like: wtf?? desirable life style? that sounded lame, if not quite pathetic. I think Charlotte makes a fool of herself really often. She really does have a lot of ambition which I think is just great, she is young and beautiful and blah blah. But she's starting to look really pretentious to me. And making herself too much of a fool..
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:35 AM
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Horse riding is synonymous with high fashion, and a desirable lifestyle. Glamour, is what your impression or attraction is to, ie some people love the "Big Band Era", Frank Sinatra and the rat pack etc. Not my cup of tea.
Where I live we have the Arlington Race track. And believe me when you go there for the races people dress to impress! It's almost like Ascot, minus the Queen and the Royal enclosure! As far as a desirable lifestyle...
When I was a puppy I took horseback riding lessons, I didn't keep up with it because it was very expensive and my father, a very conservative old school Russian emigre asked me point blank if riding horses was really a passion for me. I said no, so we dropped it and I took up the flute. Most of the other kids in my class were from extremely well to do families. One boy's surname was the same as the stable, which took it's name from the largest forrest preserve in Cook County, where I live. His grandparents sold their farmlands to the state of Illinois. Why am I posting all of this, to say from what little I saw many participants in the equestrian world have money, and lots of it. There are exceptions, and I knew some, but they had to go and get sponsors, based on their ability.
Now about Charlotte and her comments. I don't have a problem with what she said, it was accurate, she called a spade for spade, and yes this magazine is for a very niche market. What is interesting for me is that she said it.
Imagine Prince Harry starting a Polo magazine, I know I know, but lets say he did, and while promoting it he said polo is "synonymous with high fashion, glamour and
desirable lifestyle". The British media would be all over him tagging him as an elitist.
But not Charlotte, the Grimaldis are not the Windsors, they don't survive on public opinion. Yes Harry has had his ups and downs with the media, but he and William have never come across as elitist the way the CasiraghiTrio do at times.
The Principality of Monaco survives on the glamour and mystic of it's princely family. That and of course the casino and tax breaks.
So when Charlotte makes a comment like this, that most other high profile royalties would not make, she is showing her passions, interests, lifestyle. Not caring what people think of her.
Some can accuse her of being spoiled, and can only loose respect for her. I take Charlotte for what she is, and most likely will always be. With some slight improvements here and there along the way. And at this point I'm still a fan.
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:06 AM
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Horse riding in most ( if not ALL ) cases is for very well off people. It's a very expensive sport and it's always been associated with the rich people .A bit like golf ( at least here in Europe golf is for wealthy folks too) So what's wrong with what Charlotte said? She told the truth.

Maybe she would be more respectable if she said " yes horseriding is available to everyone, everyone can aspire to it,it's the most democratic sport "................???
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I don't find Charlotte elitist at all. I think people confuse her professioniial life with her personal life. She seems to be happiest liviing in smalll villages, wearing jeans and sneakers, being with her family, and horses and dogs. The other is her professional life. Her number one job is to promote Monaco so she associates herself with people and activities that are in the same niche. In riding, she has been able to combine the two. As far as riding being a sport for the rich, I think the top riders get there by talent and not by money eg. Kevin Staut, Eric Lamaze. Nascar is really the same; the drivers have to get hired by a racing team. No calls it a rich sport but it is very expensive to maintain a fleet of cars. Formula 1 is considered a rich sport. It's all how you market it.
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I had the same reaction that you (trepstrep and palomasie) when I read her words: WTF?? Not that I felt disappointed with her because I never had high expectations about her, specially since she re-started her equestrian career.

I know that horse riding is usually for very well-off people and that many people just follow this sport because they associate it with glamour, royalty, etc etc. This is not what attracts me on this sport (and surely is not what attracts you trepstrep) but I do understand that these kind of people that follow the sport for these reasons bring a lot of money to it, that really matters in such an expensive sport like this one. And for these people to continue to follow and bring money, the competitions's organizations sometimes need to sell a bit of this image. Linking it or not (and I don't), this is necessary, in this and all the other sports (football, rugby, etc).
All this to say that my problem is not with Charlotte running a magazine about equestrian glamour, equestrian lifestyle and all that. I don't find this magazine amazing but I don't expect Charlotte to do more with her life than this: selling an image, Monaco's image, glamour, bla,bla,bla. My reaction has to do with her words, in particular, this sentence: "The magazine aims to provide both those that are passionate as well as those that are curious about equestrian life with a thrilling, in-depth experience of what it’s all about ". So, she's planning to run a lifestyle magazine to show what horse riding is all about? Does she (an horse rider) think that "high fashion, glamour and a desirable lifestyle" (whatever desirable lifestyle is) is what horse riding is all about? WTF? This part may be important to bring money but horse riding is surely much more than that. And Charlotte seems no to care about that.

I wonder if Charlotte just pratices this sport because she finds it glamorous. That would explain why she always follows GCT around the world while many riders ( if not all) from her level obviously don't. Maybe she likes to participate in the GCT because she likes all the glamour surrounding it?
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All this to say that my problem is not with Charlotte running a magazine about equestrian glamour, equestrian lifestyle and all that. I don't find this magazine amazing but I don't expect Charlotte to do more with her life than this: selling an image, Monaco's image, glamour, bla,bla,bla. My reaction has to do with her words, in particular, this sentence: "The magazine aims to provide both those that are passionate as well as those that are curious about equestrian life with a thrilling, in-depth experience of what it’s all about ". So, she's planning to run a lifestyle magazine to show what horse riding is all about? Does she (an horse rider) think that "high fashion, glamour and a desirable lifestyle" (whatever desirable lifestyle is) is what horse riding is all about? WTF? This part may be important to bring money but horse riding is surely much more than that. And Charlotte seems no to care about that.

I wonder if Charlotte just pratices this sport because she finds it glamorous. That would explain why she always follows GCT around the world while many riders ( if not all) from her level obviously don't. Maybe she likes to participate in the GCT because she likes all the glamour surrounding it?
Exactly my thoughts Juliette.
Are equestrian sports expensive?
Yes, for sure, very expensive.
Are most people who ride in show-jumping well-off or rich?
Yes. Because owning a horse, paying the expenses and paying a good trainer is expensive.

But amateur owners like Charlotte are only a fraction of the number of people who ride/work with horses in France. For every Charlotte Casiraghi there are 2 hundred PROFESSIONALS who train horses, ride horses for their owners, teach young people, raise horses, groom them etcc, and this professionals, most of them better riders than Charlotte are payed maybe 1.500 or 2.000 euros a month to do their jobs. And they are the majority of riders. People like her are just a small fraction on the equestrian world, and yet not only made it sound as if they were the norm, but she made it sound as if the core of horseriding was been glamourous.
Well, if I was one of the people working for a regular salary at the Rozier stables, one of the people who ride and train her horses when she is away skiing or assiting to fashion shows, who help them recovery a their mental and physical shape after Charlotte has been improperly riding them at competitions she shouldn't enter, one of the people who wash them, make their beds, and clean their manure, I would find kkind of annoying to hear her saying that horse riding is about fashion and glamour.

Is there glamour associated with horse-riding? It certainly is.
But it is not what makes it thrilling.

It might be that Charlotte mispoke, of course, that that isn't what she really thinks. In that case, the piece it's just an example of bad writing, which is bound to happen if you are the editor of a magazine while having near none experience in publishing.

Also, no, I didn't have higher expectations for her than she has herself. Actually I wouldn't think anything bad about her if she wanted to spend her life vacationing on a yatch. I don't think there is nothing bad about it and I don't think everybody should have big expectations.

Does she want to do things with her life? Hey, that's great. But it is as if she wanted to start everything from the top, she doesn't want to follow the normal learning path for any of the things she is interested in.

Of course she should use her connections and her money to get to places! She would be silly if she didn't!

But having good connections doesn't mean you don't need to learn.
You have the means to buy a great horse? Do it!
YOu can pay the best trainer, exclusive designer clothes, the best hotels, you can get into the most exclusive parties? Do it!

But if you think that this wonderful privileges make you better than other people, or allow to ignore the normal learning process, or make you a top rider, well, you are very near to be delusional.

Even if you don't respect yourself, you always have to respect the horse. That's what horse riding is really about. And taking a great horse like Troy and putting him once and again through a destructive experience just because you have the whim to ride a 1.40 CSI... Well, it says A LOT about a person.

Actually, while I am so negative on Charlotte, I really liked her last interviews. I think she came through as an articulate intelligent young woman, and I think it was in the Elle piece she said something very interesting. I don't remember the exact words but she said more or less that one of the wonderful things about horses, is that you can't lie to them. You can't hide the truth. With them everything is authentic and primal.
And I agree. When you see someone riding you see the truth of that person. And I'm not liking very much "GCT 1.40m Charlotte Casiraghi"...

So, see you everyone, I'll keep reading you, and I'll maybe come back in the future, but right now I don't think this is my place anymore.
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