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Old 11-05-2005, 05:38 AM
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I think the move to France was a natural thing for them to do since they mainly speak French. The family probably speaks Italian pretty well, though, but it's not their "mother tongue".
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Old 11-05-2005, 02:11 PM
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And remember, because they were born in monaco, they are simaltaneously and automatically citizens of France and Monaco. They were raised by their mother, who was a single mother for a very long time, and Caroline's ties to France are long and deep.
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QUOTE][/Could somebody explain the higher education structure of France? What are the levels of the ecoles? If Charlotte is accpeted to an "ecoles normales superieures", does that equal the status of being in Oxford or Cambrdige Universities?QUOTE]

the ecoles normales superieur is within France in higher esteem than that. being admitted to a cour preparatoire is already worth mentioning in the local newspaper. Being accepted to the prep course already gives you a major career boost, even if you don't get admitted to the main later. If you manage to get admitted and finish, you will have no more worries for your professional life. And it should be noted that rich or famous parents have no weight in whether or not you will be admitted.
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Old 11-20-2005, 06:47 AM
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Charlottes personality

Has there been any descriptions of her in the press?
I really like her, she's a gorgeous girl, but I don't really have an impression of her personality.
I have heard rumours of her being quite shy and a bit arrogant but thats about it.
How do you think Charlotte is as a person?
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Old 11-20-2005, 11:26 AM
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Has there been any descriptions of her in the press?
I really like her, she's a gorgeous girl, but I don't really have an impression of her personality.
I have heard rumours of her being quite shy and a bit arrogant but thats about it.
How do you think Charlotte is as a person?
I think the idea of her arrogance is an unfortunate result of her shyness. Sometimes, a shy person comes across as arrogant. I'm not sure I believe she is truly arrogant. I have no doubt she knows how beautiful she is, but she seems to be too good of a person to be arrogant or snobbish. You can tell she's a good person. I mean, she seems to treat her friends and everyone with such friendliness, fun, and humor. I've never seen any sign of there being a wicked bone in her body. In my observations over the years, it seems to me that Charlotte is a good person, eager to please, studious, hard-working at whatever task you set before her, and in general, reports about her claim that she loves art, music, and literature. These things corroborate the idea of her being intelligent and refined. To me, it says she's a deep person and is not the shallow, insipid creature of tabloid lore.
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Old 11-20-2005, 03:31 PM
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mistake shyness for arogance

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Has there been any descriptions of her in the press?
I really like her, she's a gorgeous girl, but I don't really have an impression of her personality.
I have heard rumours of her being quite shy and a bit arrogant but thats about it.
How do you think Charlotte is as a person?
when people are shy they may seem arogant but they are simply to shy to acknowledge people, or smile at them, or carry on pleasant chit chat. if someone is very shy they may not seem to warm up to people to easily. i wondered why stefano is not smilling im many formal pictures i thought it might be his itallian culture. but an itallian imformed not the case he is just simply a shy guy.
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Old 11-20-2005, 03:43 PM
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when people are shy they may seem arogant but they are simply to shy to acknowledge people, or smile at them, or carry on pleasant chit chat. if someone is very shy they may not seem to warm up to people to easily. i wondered why stefano is not smilling im many formal pictures i thought it might be his itallian culture. but an itallian imformed not the case he is just simply a shy guy.
I agree, on shyness being perceived as arrogance or aloofness. If you notice, Caroline, Albert, Andrea, and Charlotte all seem shy in the public. They, often, don't smile when being dogged by the media. But, when you see them with family and/or friends, they appear warm and close to those around them (pictures on PACHA III, outings with friends and family, etc), very engaged in conversation and what's going on.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:08 PM
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I agree with you, I used to be very shy when I was younger and I'm still not very extroverted. I have been told that I looked arrogant. Moreover I think that an insecure person sometimes tends to "put her nose up" ( hope you know what I mean) when e.g. entering a room with people she(he) doesn't know to protect herself. I also think that Charlotte meets a lot of people, that have a certain oppinion about her before they ever talk to her. maybe she doesn't want to be hurt, and so unwillingly confirms the prejudices.
But on the other hand it is IMO very dangerous for a young girl to read about herself that she's the most beautiful person on earth. And I have to say that Caroline seems to be very arrogant to me. That mighzt have the same reason as I have pointed out before, specially when you think about carolines life, what has happened to her also with the press. but Stephanies former husband daniel D once said, he never felt accepted by caoline only because of his background. Ans Melanie de massy (?), I don't know how close she is with Charlotte, probably not very close, is incredible snobbish. She run away from Vienna's Opera Ball because she was only in the second row. What a fool, sorry! Ans this Stavros Niarchos person, don't know how close he is with charlotte obviously is extremly stupid, arrogant and snobbish, sorry, but his behaviour towards a homeles(do you call it like that?) person really shocked me. What I wanted to say is that Charlotte may be in an environment that feels invulnerable, better and more importand than ordinary people. a proof for that is IMO also Andreas "posing" naked right in the front of cameras.
p.s. talking about someones personality IMO is a it dangerous, if this was a magazine, the grimaldis would immediately go to the court against it. If the moderators feel that my comment is not appropriate, please remove it, but I don't want to hurt anyone except stavros.
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Old 11-21-2005, 03:50 PM
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I agree with you, I used to be very shy when I was younger and I'm still not very extroverted. I have been told that I looked arrogant. Moreover I think that an insecure person sometimes tends to "put her nose up" ( hope you know what I mean) when e.g. entering a room with people she(he) doesn't know to protect herself. I also think that Charlotte meets a lot of people, that have a certain oppinion about her before they ever talk to her. maybe she doesn't want to be hurt, and so unwillingly confirms the prejudices.
But on the other hand it is IMO very dangerous for a young girl to read about herself that she's the most beautiful person on earth. And I have to say that Caroline seems to be very arrogant to me. That mighzt have the same reason as I have pointed out before, specially when you think about carolines life, what has happened to her also with the press. but Stephanies former husband daniel D once said, he never felt accepted by caoline only because of his background. Ans Melanie de massy (?), I don't know how close she is with Charlotte, probably not very close, is incredible snobbish. She run away from Vienna's Opera Ball because she was only in the second row. What a fool, sorry! Ans this Stavros Niarchos person, don't know how close he is with charlotte obviously is extremly stupid, arrogant and snobbish, sorry, but his behaviour towards a homeles(do you call it like that?) person really shocked me. What I wanted to say is that Charlotte may be in an environment that feels invulnerable, better and more importand than ordinary people. a proof for that is IMO also Andreas "posing" naked right in the front of cameras.
p.s. talking about someones personality IMO is a it dangerous, if this was a magazine, the grimaldis would immediately go to the court against it. If the moderators feel that my comment is not appropriate, please remove it, but I don't want to hurt anyone except stavros.
Interesting,Mrs Smith. What about this event when Stav Niarchos was rude to a homeless person? Is this Stavros Junior (Eugenie's father) or Stavros III (Eugenie's brother)?
About Melanie de Lusignon, do you think she's being pushed to fulfil the same role that her mother fills in the future?
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Old 11-21-2005, 04:23 PM
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Interesting,Mrs Smith. What about this event when Stav Niarchos was rude to a homeless person? Is this Stavros Junior (Eugenie's father) or Stavros III (Eugenie's brother)?
About Melanie de Lusignon, do you think she's being pushed to fulfil the same role that her mother fills in the future?
About Melanie:I'm sorry, I don't know much about her family and so don't know what's her mother 's role. It was just this opera thing that made me dislike her. But maybe, who knows, she had a reason for not going there, it was just the Tv speaker who said so.

About Stavros: It was Eugenies brother. he promised a homeless person some money ( for that person a lot of money, I think about 100$ ??) if he "puts"(sorry English is leaving) the content of a bottle of beer over his head. The man did so and Stavros and his friend laughed a lot and had their fun. IMO that such a terrible behaviour, so much against the dignity of a human being, misusing this poor man's bad situation. Sorry as you see, I'm still shocked, I'm wondering what his parents did wrong, because respect is something one has to learn very early by the "good" exemple of parents.

I just want to add: I know this from a TV celebrity magazine, don't know if it's true, but the TV magazine generally are much more reliable than german print media.
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Old 11-21-2005, 04:45 PM
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Thanks for your replies.
Just wanted to add that I did not by any means meant to be offending or spread rumours. I just wanted to hear what your impressions on Charlotte was. If the moderators think this is unappropriate, please delete/move this topic.
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:57 AM
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I agree with you, I used to be very shy when I was younger and I'm still not very extroverted. I have been told that I looked arrogant. Moreover I think that an insecure person sometimes tends to "put her nose up" ( hope you know what I mean) when e.g. entering a room with people she(he) doesn't know to protect herself. I also think that Charlotte meets a lot of people, that have a certain oppinion about her before they ever talk to her. maybe she doesn't want to be hurt, and so unwillingly confirms the prejudices.
But on the other hand it is IMO very dangerous for a young girl to read about herself that she's the most beautiful person on earth. And I have to say that Caroline seems to be very arrogant to me. That mighzt have the same reason as I have pointed out before, specially when you think about carolines life, what has happened to her also with the press. but Stephanies former husband daniel D once said, he never felt accepted by caoline only because of his background. Ans Melanie de massy (?), I don't know how close she is with Charlotte, probably not very close, is incredible snobbish. She run away from Vienna's Opera Ball because she was only in the second row. What a fool, sorry! Ans this Stavros Niarchos person, don't know how close he is with charlotte obviously is extremly stupid, arrogant and snobbish, sorry, but his behaviour towards a homeles(do you call it like that?) person really shocked me. What I wanted to say is that Charlotte may be in an environment that feels invulnerable, better and more importand than ordinary people. a proof for that is IMO also Andreas "posing" naked right in the front of cameras.
p.s. talking about someones personality IMO is a it dangerous, if this was a magazine, the grimaldis would immediately go to the court against it. If the moderators feel that my comment is not appropriate, please remove it, but I don't want to hurt anyone except stavros.
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Two comments.
Daniel Ducruet: Daniel may have been never accepted from the Grimaldis, but the end of the story showed that they were somehow right...... He cheated Stephanie, and this is more disgusting from his side because she spent years on fighting against alls to impose Daniel. And finally himself gave reason to all people aginst him.

About Stavros Niarchos. Is the same guy who is now dating Paris Hilton and last week destroyed a full hotel appartment for more that 100'000$ ??? just for having fun??? If yes, you understand the kind of guy....
I know that Caroline is friend with the Niarchos since when she was child, and is normal for the second generation to be also close, but If I was Caroline I would not be happy seing my doughter be friend with such a guy. Nevertheless, we know that Charlotte is close friend with Eugenie, personnally I've never saw Stavros around her.
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About Melanie:I'm sorry, I don't know much about her family and so don't know what's her mother 's role. It was just this opera thing that made me dislike her. But maybe, who knows, she had a reason for not going there, it was just the Tv speaker who said so.
ann de massy, Melanie's mother, is a major representative of the Antoinette branch. Christian was disgraced after he wrote his book and I guess Christine Alix opted for a private life. So Elisabeth Ann is the family rep, along with her mother, at major Grimaldi family events such as the Red Cross ball. Melanie was in attendance at the last red cross ball and, so I just wonder if she will one day fill the place of her mother.

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About Stavros: It was Eugenies brother. he promised a homeless person some money ( for that person a lot of money, I think about 100$ ??) if he "puts"(sorry English is leaving) the content of a bottle of beer over his head. The man did so and Stavros and his friend laughed a lot and had their fun. IMO that such a terrible behaviour, so much against the dignity of a human being, misusing this poor man's bad situation. Sorry as you see, I'm still shocked, I'm wondering what his parents did wrong, because respect is something one has to learn very early by the "good" exemple of parents.

I just want to add: I know this from a TV celebrity magazine, don't know if it's true, but the TV magazine generally are much more reliable than german print media.
That's horrible. Stav, eugenie's bro, looks rather spoiled and this story just confirms the idea that he's an unappreciative brat. he deserves paris hilton, in that case. i hope paris uses him and dumps him, it would serve him right.
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ann de massy, Melanie's mother, is a major representative of the Antoinette branch. Christian was disgraced after he wrote his book and I guess Christine Alix opted for a private life. So Elisabeth Ann is the family rep, along with her mother, at major Grimaldi family events such as the Red Cross ball. Melanie was in attendance at the last red cross ball and, so I just wonder if she will one day fill the place of her mother.
That's horrible. Stav, eugenie's bro, looks rather spoiled and this story just confirms the idea that he's an unappreciative brat. he deserves paris hilton, in that case. i hope paris uses him and dumps him, it would serve him right.
I'm not a fan of Paris Hilton (and I know this is way of subject) but I think that is kinda unfair for her. When Stav made that huge mess at the Hard Rock, Paris was completely embarrassed and didn't want people thinking that she brought people like that anywhere. So, she is kind of a pea brain at times but here we are talking about how terrible Stav was to some homeless guy, and here we are doing the same with Paris (well, NOT the same, but I hope you get what I trying to say).
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another thing you have to look at is so many people want to have contact with her because of who she is. she cannot possibly interact with the magnitude of people who want to be with her. you were talking about a homeless man. does this homeless man have tons of people wanting to be in contact with him? sadley, prob not. is there a website about this homeless man? why not? why then does charlotte have a web site? do you see what i'm saying? if you were to meet this homeless man would you be as excited as meeting charlotte? if the answer is no then why is that?
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another thing you have to look at is so many people want to have contact with her because of who she is. she cannot possibly interact with the magnitude of people who want to be with her. you were talking about a homeless man. does this homeless man have tons of people wanting to be in contact with him? sadley, prob not. is there a website about this homeless man? why not? why then does charlotte have a web site? do you see what i'm saying? if you were to meet this homeless man would you be as excited as meeting charlotte? if the answer is no then why is that?
Because people like to watch very close the beauty, charisma, money and hapiness, they forgot their onw reality, and they dream.... to have all this...

A homeless man does not provoque dreams, it's a reality which we'd rather forgot.....
Nevertheless, they are a lot of sites and organisations taking care of homeless men, and we are all there to be shocked by Stavros Niarchos behavior...
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she seems really nice...but i dunno i get the feeling she could be a bit arrogant because of her beauty and her position...i would probably be friends with her if she was in my school....she seems really fun and down to earth...
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How did you guys get so far off the point about the homeless man? What was objectionable about Stav's behavior was how abominably he treated this person. No one should treat anyone like that, no matter who or what they are. That's the point. Plain and simple.
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ann de massy, Melanie's mother, is a major representative of the Antoinette branch. Christian was disgraced after he wrote his book and I guess Christine Alix opted for a private life. So Elisabeth Ann is the family rep, along with her mother, at major Grimaldi family events such as the Red Cross ball. Melanie was in attendance at the last red cross ball and, so I just wonder if she will one day fill the place of her mother.

That's horrible. Stav, eugenie's bro, looks rather spoiled and this story just confirms the idea that he's an unappreciative brat. he deserves paris hilton, in that case. i hope paris uses him and dumps him, it would serve him right.
On Christine Alix - Christine Alix died in 1989 of an illness. She was only 36 then. She was very, very pretty! There is a picture of her somewhere in this forum. She has a son named Sebastian, I think.

On Stav - Oh, hahaha! I guess too much wealth does makes one think that doing such things is all right; after all, the damage will be paid for! Whatever - doesn't he have better things to do, with all their family's wealth?!

On Char - I think she's a lovely young woman, with or without her privileged background. I don't know if she is aloof, but I think it's only natural for people of her stature to be a little aloof, not because of snootiness, but because of wariness. When you're good looking, rich-rich, famous and all that, people tend to flock to you, bec. of who you are and not bec. of what you are. Not to mention the fortune-hunters! Stephanie said that it's hard to have relationships bec. of her royal position. And Rainier once said that one's true friends can be counted with your hands, and that the life of a royal is a lonely one. I guess that's something royals everywhere deal with.
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monica, i agree! it must be hard on them. people always have pre-conceived notions about who they are and what they're like, and to some extent have expectations of them which aren't always fair and reasonable.

re. charlotte's personality...it's extremely hard to try to judge a person's personality through photos and fourth-fifth-(or thousandth) hand accounts about them. i mean, come on, we could be neighbors with somebody for years and not really know them, how much more with these people? impressions however, even though unreliable, are completely natural. my impression of charlotte is that she's a shy, maybe even timid person who's always aware of the cameras around her and, unlike her elder brother who doesn't seem to care about the image he projects, charlotte seems to be conscious of how people see her.
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