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Old 04-02-2012, 10:18 AM
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In the circuits that Charlotte is riding, what is the average number of horses that riders own? Is it usual for riders to change horses often? How often does a rider purchase new horses? The rider has to build up a relationship with the horse so how long does that take?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:45 AM
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:06 AM
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In the circuits that Charlotte is riding, what is the average number of horses that riders own? Is it usual for riders to change horses often? How often does a rider purchase new horses? The rider has to build up a relationship with the horse so how long does that take?
In the international dressage circuit, it's an unicum if the horse is actually owned by the rider. Most of the time they're owned by sponsors, a breeding stable or wealthy owners. Parzival, Adelinde Cornelissen's horse is partially owned by her, out of fear her best horse would be sold. Because that's the big risk of not owning them yourself. It happened to Edward Gal's best horses. So yeah, if the horse doesn't meet the expectations, sold or injury, riders can switch up more often. But that's usually due to bad luck. When horse and rider are right, they usually compete until the horse is unfit to do so anymore. Or too old.
And do remember riders have a whole lot of young horses for training at home, ready to take them out to competitions.

And it depends on the horse and rider, really. The chemistry is important. A bond will form the longer you ride together.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:46 PM
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I think that at Charlotte's level, a stable of 7 horses is too much. She doesn't have the time to ride 7 horses, to prepare each of them for competitions. That seems crazy! 2 horses would be enough for her, it would allow her to know them better, to improve with them.
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:35 PM
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I have never ridden, nor do I know anything about it, but I have a question. If Charlotte was going to retrain, How long would it take?
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:03 PM
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I have never ridden, nor do I know anything about it, but I have a question. If Charlotte was going to retrain, How long would it take?
There is no way to know. Maybe, with a new trainer she would suddenly "discover" what she's been doing wrong and she would improve in six months... maybe she simply has no talent for the sport and she will never be a good rider. It's very difficult to say.

This is only my opinion, and of course I could be wrong, but she doesn't seem to be specially talented. Even if Thierry is misguiding her, she has 1st level riders like Edwina helping her and she owns very good horses. It would had shown somehow.

A new trainer could help her put things into perspective and make some improvements. With time and good horses she could maybe get good results at 1.30/1.35 competitions. But she certainly isn't a natural, I don't think any trainer could take her to the FEI top level.
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This is evidence unpleasant for many people, but the mares are the ones that take the top prize, not only in show jumping, as well as in dressage.
I do not need to prove anything, just take a look to the official of both shows to see the truth. say that the horses (males) are the best, is of the utmost stupidity, and ignorance of the world sport horse.

Against the good results of the mares, no one even a manic depressive can´t win ...

I agree, it should sell the horse Troy (male), and buy mares with 5-7 years, to advance in the ranking FEI, and about the coach, I think she most should keep, it is excellent. And it has already proved that ... he wins contests, and win competitions, it is because he knows much more than the others riders :)
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:18 AM
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That's so unbelievably silly. She has seven horses, she doesn't need more, and mares can get really difficult at times.
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That's so unbelievably silly. She has seven horses, she doesn't need more, and mares can get really difficult at times.
I dont see the problem to have 7 horses, if she is training regular, and have another personel training that horses to, well ... I dont see the inconvenience. (we have rider in germany with 40 horses)
About the mares (again) since they created drugs to suppress the heat of its own nature, I see no reason to marginalization.

They are most better to ride, that a horse with is TWO ZEROS :)

They are crazy (males) practically all the time, and very dificult to ride for a Amazon inexperienced as she ... Charlotte Casiraghi.
Dont you think HRH ?
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:17 AM
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1. You can't use drugs in sports mares: it's called doping

2. Mares can be difficult even when they are not in heat. They are whole animals (not castrated) and can be capricious and very dificult and they are always sensitive.

3. No, all stallions aren't mad. Usually a gelding is easier but not always. Many stallions have calm nice tempers, and are easy to ride. It also a matter of personal preference but saying that the are all mad is utter nonsense.

4. Charlotte is not a profesional. She owns more horses that she can manage and get to know properly.

5. We only can speak from pictures and videos, but she doesn't seem to be a very delicate rider and she has hard hands. A sensitive mare would be a bad choice for her.

6. Don't make things up about the FEI statistics. The rankings aren't dominated by mares.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:33 AM
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Well, my answer would have been the same as trepstep's. I personally would rather ride a gelding most of the time. And I think that blaming the horses for Charlotte's problems is shortsighted- she already had fantastic horses, she just doesn't have the ability to ride them correctly. Buying new horses certainly won't help
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I think she just doesn't practice enough. She's trying to ride seveal hours but in 2-3 days. She needs to practice 5 days a week. She also always seems to be off somewhere else the week before she has a competition.
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She's definitely not focused enough. I can see that and I don't know anything about the equestrian sport. If she's off in New York hanging out with Gad or busy vacationing, I doubt she has time to get a quick practice with her horse in. But maybe she doesn't feel like she has to be good or take it that seriously. She's just a figurehead basically. A face.
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I doubt she has time to get a quick practice with her horse in. But maybe she doesn't feel like she has to be good or take it that seriously.
That attitude is a recipe for getting injured.
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Gad accompanied Charlotte at the last competition in Barbizon
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:09 AM
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It seams that this relation is serious...I wonder what Carline thinks of this...It's nice to see him support her equestrian carrer
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:27 AM
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My feelings on this relationship...it may go somewhere permanent, and I think Caroline will be happy whatever her eldest daughter wants, all I hope is that Charlotte is happy....and I think what ever makes Charlotte happy...will make her Mum happy!!
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My feelings on this relationship...it may go somewhere permanent, and I think Caroline will be happy whatever her eldest daughter wants, all I hope is that Charlotte is happy....and I think what ever makes Charlotte happy...will make her Mum happy!!
It seems that Gad is good with Charlotte and this should make Caroline happy. But talking for marriage and kids, i think it is too early. There are huge differences between them. On the other hand, love and mutual respect, can erase all difference.
P.S. I HATE this hat Gad is constantly wearing.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:50 AM
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we don't even have to speculate and hurry about the relationship! there have been similar speculations about Alex and Charlotte, but then they broke up, kaputt!!!

Do we know any upcoming competition?
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