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Perhaps the horses are balking because they know something she doesn't?
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:17 AM
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Perhaps the horses are balking because they know something she doesn't?
Probably that they're too off balance to safely jump because their rider isn't balanced and it's throwing them off, and also that their mouths hurt.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:55 AM
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I noticed this on TFS today, but I didn't comment because it wasn't fashion-related: She looks seriously depressed in these photos. And in all honesty, if she's not going to work hard at something, I don't think she has the passion for it. I hate to make a sweeping judgment like that because I don't know her, but she either needs to start from the bottom or give it up entirely, because it's obviously not making her happy. Gucci can't be happy either. Because as good as she looks in their clothes, if her losing streak continues, won't it be bad for business? I don't know.

On a much lighter note, I love how Pierre is always in costume. I mean, he looks adorable but that cap is something else. Good to know that his face isn't too damaged. He actually looks more like Stefano than ever...
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:27 AM
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I know I was harsh with her yesterday, but now I am feeling a little sorry for her... I've been lost with a horse too and I know how hard and scary it is. I can't even start to imagine how it must feel to feel lost with every horse you ride.
Luckily for me when I've felt that way I've had a trainer who really knew what was going wrong and helped me working on the problem until we solved it.
If my trainer hadn't been useful that way I would had left him and I would have started looking for someone else.

At this point Charlotte has to show that she is really a woman and not a spoiled little child who can't take decissions on her own.

A little girl sticks with her parents friends because they pamper her and they keep telling her how wonderful she is and how everything is the bad horsie's fault.

Maybe, now that she is sharing her life with someone from the real world she will start to see the truth. Gad looks like a clever guy. Thierry is ripping her off in such an obvious way, that even if he doesn't know anything about horses, or the factors that can make things go wrong, he probably will see that something is seriously amiss
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Here are some pics of the problematic incident Charlotte had with the horse during the competition yesterday, March 4:




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Old 03-05-2012, 08:08 AM
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Bounjour;

For me this equestrian participation (of CHAR.) was very positive, the results speak for themselves, and can be easily seen:

Day 1: (02/03/12)

Competitions nº8

With the horse Rubins Quibellle finish in 10º place, zero faults.

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chro..._nice12_w1.pdf

Competitions nº10

With the horse Carryduff Z finish in 1º Course, zero faults. (but eliminate in the 2ª Course by excess time allow.)

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chro..._nice12_w1.pdf


Day 2: (03/03/12)

Competitions nº15

With the horse Troy finish in 7º place, zero faults. (with Jump Off)

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chro..._nice12_w1.pdf


Competitions nº17

With the horse Rubins Quibellle finish in 16º place, with zero flauts. (but not qualified because the excess of time allow.)

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chrono/data/nice12/week1/r_17_nice12_w1.pdf

Day 3: (04/03/12)

Competitions nº23

With the horse Carryduffy Z finish in th 1ª Course in 18 place, with zero faults. (but eliminate in the 2ª Course by excess time allow.)

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chrono/data/nice12/week1/r_23_nice12_w1.pdf

Competitions nº24

With the horse Troy was Eliminated. (THE ONLY ELIMINATED, WITH THE HORSE REFUSED)

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chro..._nice12_w1.pdf

So now as you ALL can be seen easily, this participation was very good, and hopefully all the rest are like this too.

Admittedly CHAR. has a serious insufficiency of domain, and transmission to the horse Troy is a reality, no one escapes of it. It needs strong hand to lead this horse, A MEN hand, so its would be good to consider a possible replacement horse. This is not the most suitable horse for the wrists of CHAR. Troy is a men horse.

We learn & live, and live & learning.

Thanks God I do not suffer from any psychopathy, I not transform a single elimination course, such as hypertext to attack the dignity of CHAR. trying to hoodwink the others turning a single eliminated which is 10% or 15% of the entire results, in to 100% bad results competitions weekend. Thanks God !

A word of appreciation to the organizer of this event, (DIANE FISSORE) which is well worth, and deserves our affection, and admiration. Its here a simple interview, if anyone wants to see.

Interview avec Diane Fissore, Jumping de Nice Spring Tour - YouTube

Another word to a great coach, (a very nice personal) speak about Thierry Rozier, reached the 2º place of the big course, and more important competitions of this weekend, with my favority horse ... TINTERO.
( who is the stupid idiot coach here )

http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chrono/data/nice12/week1/r_27_nice12_w1.pdf

Another word to a great brother, and BIG men ... Pierre Casiraghi, thanks for the support, your sister needs a lot of it ... just missed the `` la ragazza italiana ´´ Well done Pierre.

Lets wait for the next week.

By the way: We have big champions in this weekend, in Nice Tour, like Edwina Tops, Kevin Staut, Penelope Leprevost, and Simon Delestre, the best French team at the moment, and what they to ... whats the results ?

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Old 03-05-2012, 09:06 AM
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From the photos of 4th of March it seems like she gave the wrong directions to her horse?!
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:21 AM
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So now as you ALL can be seen easily, this participation was very good, and hopefully all the rest are like this too.
Marieantoinette, if you're going to keep pretending that you know anything about showjumping you really have to make an effort and learn something about the sport.

In showjumping you are not eliminated because of excess of time. When a rider exceeds the allowed time she is "not classified" and loses her chances to get a prize but she is allowed to finish her parcours and her final time appears in the results list.

An elimination in showjumping means that either the rider fell or the horse refused twice to jump (they are other cases, but those are the more frequent ones). When this happens the judges order the rider to leave the track and the words "eliminated" appear in the results list.

And that's what happened to Charlotte 5 times in 3 days because there is no indication of her final time in any of the lists you linked and it would had been if she had been not classified because of excess of time.
If that's not disastrous I don't know what it is.


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Admittedly CHAR. has a serious insufficiency of domain, and transmission to the horse Troy is a reality, no one escapes of it. It needs strong hand to lead this horse, A MEN hand, so its would be good to consider a possible replacement horse.
A horse NEVER needs a hard hand. LIGHT HAND, LIGHT HAND AND MORE LIGHT HAND is what every horse in the world needs.

Actuallly, its' pretty easy to see that Charlotte has a very hard hand and that's where many of her problems come from.

The idea that you control a horse with fisical strenght is simply preposterous.

Oh, and nobody said Rozier was a bad rider. He is a bit old fashioned but not a bad rider.
He's just a bad trainer and, by all appearence, a very dishonest person.
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:43 AM
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I'm just glad horse and rider are safe; I'm no show jumper though I've ridden in the past, but the first rule of thumb I learned is that the horse gets its cues and directions from the rider, so if anyone's at fault it's the person handling the reins. The horse will sense the type of rider on its back, and will act accordingly. There can be serious injuries to both if the rider doesn't know what he/she is doing.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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She took a fall then for one of her eliminations. That might explain why she looked so scared and upset the rest of the weekend.
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Old 03-05-2012, 10:30 AM
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We have a lot of people in the world ... do we

The OC have the choice what is the techical mention ELIMINATED is. Not a people who dont know the diference between the left leg sequence start, from full trot, against galope racing field.

The only ELIMINATED course (by refusal horse) was in sunday, with the troy, post by ice today. see pics:

Olycom - News

If there were serious people in the world who want to learn something about ShowJumping, dont lose any time with personal with psychops.

DISCIPLINES - JUMPING - RULES

http://www.fei.org/sites/default/fil...e_1Feb2012.pdf

http://www.fei.org/sites/default/fil...ll-mark-up.pdf


Here it is the rules of ShowJumping, from FEI.org in PDF, to read, and learn, in th CSI 1* the OC have the right to choose the terms ELIMINATED, for what he or she well understood.

The competitions nº 10, and nº 17, and nº 23; CHAR. was eliminated by excess of time allow, in the term of the rules of FEI.org. (above PDF) as the OC declared in is schedule, for this events CSI 1*.


By the way; when I post I dont respond to any members in particular, its my opinion in the general as observator, of the ShowJumping. That means I do not waste time reading some post because they are so absurd, and Ridiculous.

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Old 03-05-2012, 11:40 AM
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No, you are VERY wrong.
And I am going to show you why.

Let's take Charlotte's 1st elimination, with Carryduff on saturday:
http://www.horse-timing.com/web/Chro..._nice12_w1.pdf

That competition was a two phases competition described the FEI rules under article 274.5.6 A kind oof competition which surprise, surprise! NEVER implies elimination by time.

Riders get penalties (points) if they go beyond the allowed time but they can continue
and they can even win ,if they make less points than the other riders.

In this kind a competition a rider never gets out of the list and is never eliminated, no matter how long it takes her to finish her parcours.

If you check the pdf I linked you will see that some riders have 2 points, 1 point, 7 points.
How do you get that results if knocking down a pole or a refusal earns you 4 points?

Easy: a rider with 2 points is a rider who did a clear round but exceeded the allowed time and got 2 penalty points.
If you have a quick look at the results you can see that the allowed time was probably 42 seconds, and all the riders who surpased that time got 1 penaly point. It looks like those who took more than 46 seconds got 2 penaly points and those who took more than 50 seconds got 3 penalty points.
That's what happened to riders who surpased their allowed time. They got penaly points. They weren't eliminated.

But Charlotte didn't get any penalty points.
She was eliminated.
Because she didn't finish her parcours.
Either she fell or her horse refused twice to jump. 5 times in 3 days.
And that's it.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:02 PM
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Trash trash trash with maximum respect.

Is amazing how people are ... JESUS !

I sending the PDF here with the official rules of these OC CSI 1* ShowJumping .... this people can see right

I´m not lose more time. FINISH !!!

When you want to prove something is not enough just to write, and WRITE, and WRITE ....

Need to prove with official documents of the rules of FEI.org., and I see nothing, NOTHING HERE ... just trash ... you just write, and WRITE, and dont prove nothing with OFFICIAL DOCS.

I PROVE ALL, WHAT I WRITE IN HERE, (like allways) WITH OFFICIAL DOCS.

YOU NOTHING PLEASE READ THE DOCS, and write next ...

STOP ! Is Ridiculous.
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The emoticons in this thread are beginning to give me a headache. And anyone with any basic horse knowledge would be able to look at the photos of Charlotte riding and tell there are a lot of problems there. This isn't even remotely debatable at this point.

Charlotte had a really bad show- the worst she's done in awhile. She looks like she hasn't been training at all and it shows. I think that's why she looks so terrified- not enough time in the saddle recently and so she's feeling less comfortable and less confident.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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I do not know how many times you are see the show of CHAR. but really sorry this weekend was very good.

IN THE PASS EVENTS SHE NEVER GOES TO THE JUMP-OFF !!! OR COMPLET WITH ZERO FAULTS !!! IS IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED !

Can you not see the diference.

In this ShowJumping she goes 2 times to the Jump-Off, and make 4 or 5 parcours, with ZERO FLAUTS.

And that is BAD ... PLEASE BE HONEST.

She improved a lot/enough it is a reality ! Its to be continued !

CONGRATULATIONS ... CHAR. !


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Here are some new pics dated March 2nd. Pierre was there to support Charlotte,
but while he looked quite relaxed and happy, it obviously wasn't Charlotte's best day:




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If this is the new face of Gucci they are paying too much. She needs to go back to the basics and learn how to ride. I feel sorry for the horses which must be having their own confidence shaken by being riden by a less than competent rider.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:29 PM
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I think Charlotte is the one that is balking. Right before she comes to a jump she leans back in her saddle (viewed on video from previous events). Isn't that telling the horse to stop? The horses are confused by her directions. The pros go over the jumps in a fluid motion. Charlotte also is too dependent on her stirrups and reins. She needs to learn to ride without a saddle or reins. That would force her to have the correct form. Help me out TrepStep? Am I starting to figure out how this sport works?
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I think Charlotte is the one that is balking. Right before she comes to a jump she leans back in her saddle (viewed on video from previous events). Isn't that telling the horse to stop? The horses are confused by her directions. The pros go over the jumps in a fluid motion. Charlotte also is too dependent on her stirrups and reins. She needs to learn to ride without a saddle or reins. That would force her to have the correct form. Help me out TrepStep? Am I starting to figure out how this sport works?
I'm not TrepStep but that sounds totally accurate to me :) And yes... throwing her weight back like that would certainly tell the horse to slow down or stop. I think she's off balance as she comes up to the jump and it means her horses are off balance and also that they don't know what she wants.
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Thanks HRH. I can't wait for the Olympics. (I know Charlotte won't be in them) I have really become a fan of show jumping and it is due to Charlotte.
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Without saddle or reins I don't know but without stirrups that's sure. She should go back to basics and learn how to behave with a horse from the beginning. There is no shame in doing it. It would be more logical to do this than keeping on competiting in high level jumpings. When you have such a bad position with a wrong balance (I really think that Charlotte doesn't know how to do) you don't jump 1m20, 25 or 30.
Someone said previously that Thierry Rozier was an old fashionned rider, I think that he is an old fashionned trainer too. I mean, he must belong to this kind of trainer who makes you jump higher and higher without explaining you how to do with your body, with your hand. I learnt horse riding with this kind of people. I was very afraid of jumping because I didn't know how to adapt myself to my horse's jump. I disliked jumping because of it. Now I have changed of trainer and the new one explains my everything: I feel better and more confident. I talked to my new trainer who told me that now in France things have changed, young trainer teach differently, with more explainations. It's better! I really think that Charlotte should go away to see how things happen in another place with someone else.
She must be staying with him because he's a friend of her family, she's been knowing him since her childhood, so leaving him is a difficult decision to take. I really think that things would be more simple if Charlotte wasn't sentimentally involved with him - be careful, I don't talk about love! Just about affection between two friends.
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