The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1101  
Old 06-12-2011, 05:23 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: moving, Spain
Posts: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by FanofMonaco View Post
I don't know if this is turning in the air or jumping at tight angles but the first rider in this videio is cutting really tight turns. She won the 1 star competition that Charlotte was in at the Gucci Masters.

YouTube - ‪GUCCI MASTERS 2010 - CSI 1* / Gucci Masters‬‏

I don't know how to download this. The title on You Tube is : Gucci Masters-CSI 1*/Gucci Masters
Thanks for the video, fanofmonaco, but there is a big difference between what this girl and Charlotte do.
This girl rides the way you should ride to win a jump-off. She turns her head and a little bit her body over the next jump and by doing so, the horse instinctively knows where he has to go to, and bends over the next jump. But he is not forcefully bent in a mechanical way, he's just receiving indications about where to go next.
Charlotte forces her horse to bend while on the air by pulling on the reins!
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1102  
Old 06-12-2011, 06:07 PM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by trepstrep

Thanks for the video, fanofmonaco, but there is a big difference between what this girl and Charlotte do.
This girl rides the way you should ride to win a jump-off. She turns her head and a little bit her body over the next jump and by doing so, the horse instinctively knows where he has to go to, and bends over the next jump. But he is not forcefully bent in a mechanical way, he's just receiving indications about where to go next.
Charlotte forces her horse to bend while on the air by pulling on the reins!
That was my thought too. Top riders do indeed position their bodies so their horse starts to bend into the turn, but that's a lot different then using a direct rein to force a horse to turn in the air.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1103  
Old 06-15-2011, 10:23 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Maastricht, Netherlands
Posts: 18
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...CveUqcmrgl.jpg

Hi, can someone tell me whatis the name is of the women sitting next to Alex. I have seen her often but forgotten her name.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1104  
Old 06-15-2011, 10:39 AM
LovelyKate's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: ...., France
Posts: 599
^Vanina Mandelli
__________________
My galleries about Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge and Charlotte Casiraghi : april - june 2011, june 2011 - ... .
Reply With Quote
  #1105  
Old 06-15-2011, 02:07 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: columbia, United States
Posts: 558
That is such a cute picture.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1106  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:47 AM
LovelyKate's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: ...., France
Posts: 599
My fear is that Charlotte could be disgusted by horse riding, if she keeps on competiting to too high levels. I didn't want to talk about that anymore but looking at this picture I had never seen before, I realized that this was the most obvious danger. It would be a pity if this happened, because horse riding is a beautiful sport, and Charlotte seems to enjoy it, what the way she practices it is. (I'm sorry, I don't think that my last sentence is correct.)
I read fear on Charlotte's face, here, and also in her horse's eyes. There's something wrong, I hope that they are going to feel better.
__________________
My galleries about Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge and Charlotte Casiraghi : april - june 2011, june 2011 - ... .
Reply With Quote
  #1107  
Old 06-16-2011, 12:10 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 1,360
Charlotte does look frightened in that picture but you can't always tell whats going on from one snapshot. She actually did okay on Madison d'Olgy at Cannes. She came in 5/42 clear, 25/40 with 4 faults and 16/40 with 4 faults. All at 1.35m. 2 out of 3 times she was in the top half of the group. That's pretty good. She didn't do as well on CarryDuff Z but that is one of her newer horses. I don't think her coaches will let her do anything to endanger her or her horses. They have reputations to uphold. That being said injury is a part of any sport. Athina broke her collar bone last year and Georgina Bloomberg hurt her back; and they are much better riders than Charlotte. So far Charlotte has only sprained a couple of fingers.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1108  
Old 06-16-2011, 12:51 PM
azure's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: here and there, Greece
Posts: 1,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata4711 View Post
Azure - Charlotte has as much right to compete as anyone else, in whatever sport she wishes.

Grace's family and forebears excelled in a number of sports, and the family seems to have the "sporting gene", to the extent that even the youngest members get the chance to compete in something that interests them.

I still have the interview with PA and Charlotte where Albert is extolling the talents of Char and Pauline.

Let's rejoice in such a sporty family, not knock them...
Going to a higher level from this that is right for her, makes her trying to make big steps in order to have a "good" appearence like the other riders! She gives me the impression that she practices less and competes more. Well, if i'm quite logic, it's the other way round. And now she has more horses! Does she has the time to practice with them and create a nice and close relationship with each of them( ?) I can hardly imagine that because in my head i think that she has given all the weight tο her talented horses. It's like she thinks that they will help her improve, but horse riding is a sport that demands communication with the horse. And for me she didn't succed this. But time will tell..
__________________
Life is to be explored
Reply With Quote
  #1109  
Old 06-16-2011, 07:35 PM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by LovelyKate
My fear is that Charlotte could be disgusted by horse riding, if she keeps on competiting to too high levels. I didn't want to talk about that anymore but looking at this picture I had never seen before, I realized that this was the most obvious danger. It would be a pity if this happened, because horse riding is a beautiful sport, and Charlotte seems to enjoy it, what the way she practices it is. (I'm sorry, I don't think that my last sentence is correct.)
I read fear on Charlotte's face, here, and also in her horse's eyes. There's something wrong, I hope that they are going to feel better.
She does look quite terrified in that picture. It could just be a bad moment, but it could also definitely be that she's riding at a higher level than she should be and she's not comfortable doing it.

Her coaches have incredible reputations, but they're also all professional riders and trainers. (someone can correct me if I'm wrong in assuming her coaches teach and train as their main source of income). Charlotte is a client, and a wealthy, high profile one. There's a realistic chance that they feel unable to go as hard on her as they would a person off the street.

I never thought negatively of Charlotte's equestrian pursuits until her public statement about the glamour of riding. That was a red flag for me, and when I started looking I realized there are problems with her riding. I'd actually like to see her correct that and become very good in her sport, but I just don't see it at the present time.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1110  
Old 06-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 4,915
HRHHermione, is that Jacqueline Kennedy riding in your avatar photo?

It looks like Sirdar, the bay gelding that the former President of Pakistan(Ayub Khan) gave her when she was First Lady...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1111  
Old 06-16-2011, 08:51 PM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23
HRHHermione, is that Jacqueline Kennedy riding in your avatar photo?

It looks like Sirdar, the bay gelding that the former President of Pakistan(Ayub Khan) gave her when she was First Lady...
It's The Princess Royal actually :) I love her in this picture
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1112  
Old 06-16-2011, 10:53 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: katonah, United States
Posts: 2,533
Look, when one is concentrating in the jump off, one is not smiling and singing songs of joy. Here is a picture of my coach winning (for the 4th time) the $175,000 derby at Spruce meadows last week. She's not smiling. She has no weight in her heel here. She's turning in the air. www.barnmice.com/group/barnmicenews/forum/topics/spruce-meadows-national-sunday?xg_source=activity. She has an olympic gold and silver as well as a world championship on the wall. My point is, even the best riders in the world are not text book correct every moment of the day. Cut the amateur a little slack. She shows up and tries her best to do the job. The sport requires some personal bravery, unlike some like tennis or golf. Not to mention daily practise. Let's also remember that even with the best horses...they are NOT cars. They have opinions and likes and fears just like any other living beings. Sometimes for no discernable reason a horse will be absolutely appalled by a particular jump. Then even the best laid plans must go awry.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1113  
Old 06-16-2011, 10:57 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,378
Excuse my lack of horse knowledge...but what is turning in the air?
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #1114  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: katonah, United States
Posts: 2,533
In the timed second round, whoever goes the fastest and leaves the jumps up wins. The course is always laid out (differently each time) in order to challenge the pair in terms of quickly turning from one jump to the next to save time. In which case turning in the air is one of the most critical skills a jumper rider can have. First you slice diagonally across the jump (instead of jumping straight across as it's set and then turning), lets say left to right if its a right turn. Then as the horse leaves the ground you continue to lead her in the direction of the turn, which makes them turn in the air. This only works with a carefull horse or many faults add up.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1115  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:15 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 1,360
Usually a horse takes a jump straight on or at a straight angle but recently I have been seeing horses start their turn in the middle of the jump (bending at the waist). This is a huge advantage. It allows very sharp turns and flatter turning arcs on the ground to the next jump. Every second counts. Watch post 1101.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1116  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:20 PM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
Excuse my lack of horse knowledge...but what is turning in the air?
It just means that she's giving the horse cues to turn when he's in the middle of the jump. She's giving too direct a signal at the wrong time.

When cues are given correctly in riding, they're very subtle. You signal the horse in several ways- with your legs, seat, hands, and your body position. Also, in jumping, timing is very important. Her timing on her cues just seems to be off, and it doesn't look like she's riding her horse very considerately. That's normal- it's part of the learning process. I've been riding most of my life and I won't pretend that I'm even close to perfect. But I also don't ride at Charlotte's level- I know that I don't have the skill set to do it, and it would be bad and dangerous for both me and my horse to try.

The problem with Charlotte's career as I see it is that she's trying to ride at a higher level than she should be and the reason she's able to do it is because she's capable of buying horses that are very, very talented. But the most important part of riding is the partnership, and she's not fostering an equal partnership. I'd like to see her reassess her skill level, and go back to riding at a lower level until she improves her form a bit. It'd be very fun to see her really interact and bond with her horses too- I've never seen a picture where she seems to just be loving on her horse.

This picture made me cringe... neither of them looks like they're having fun:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...53Anwh-Rxl.jpg

It looks like she's giving her horse conflicting signals- which is pretty typical of a rider who's unsure of themselves. It's bad for both horse and rider.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1117  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:22 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,378
Okay...I see.....thanks to all.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #1118  
Old 06-16-2011, 11:22 PM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter View Post
In the timed second round, whoever goes the fastest and leaves the jumps up wins. The course is always laid out (differently each time) in order to challenge the pair in terms of quickly turning from one jump to the next to save time. In which case turning in the air is one of the most critical skills a jumper rider can have. First you slice diagonally across the jump (instead of jumping straight across as it's set and then turning), lets say left to right if its a right turn. Then as the horse leaves the ground you continue to lead her in the direction of the turn, which makes them turn in the air. This only works with a carefull horse or many faults add up.
This is a good explanation of how it should be, absolutely :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter View Post
Look, when one is concentrating in the jump off, one is not smiling and singing songs of joy. Here is a picture of my coach winning (for the 4th time) the $175,000 derby at Spruce meadows last week. She's not smiling. She has no weight in her heel here. She's turning in the air. www.barnmice.com/group/barnmicenews/forum/topics/spruce-meadows-national-sunday?xg_source=activity. She has an olympic gold and silver as well as a world championship on the wall. My point is, even the best riders in the world are not text book correct every moment of the day. Cut the amateur a little slack. She shows up and tries her best to do the job. The sport requires some personal bravery, unlike some like tennis or golf. Not to mention daily practise. Let's also remember that even with the best horses...they are NOT cars. They have opinions and likes and fears just like any other living beings. Sometimes for no discernable reason a horse will be absolutely appalled by a particular jump. Then even the best laid plans must go awry.
And by the way, your coach looks absolutely freaking perfect there. No weight in her heels, no conflicting signals, just beautiful. It must be an absolute privilege to train with her.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1119  
Old 06-17-2011, 10:06 AM
Horseygal's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 1,174
Thank you, so much, Scooter for sharing your well-earned, factual expertise - I appreciate your opinion as a practitioner, rather than some arm-chair critic with nothing to back up their complaints. Thanks for sharing the picture to also illustrate that even an Olympic-level, world-class champion can show less-than-perfect technique, and still win.....after YEARS of experience. I agree that Charlotte is still growing and learning, and not sure why some expect her to be immediately at the same level as champions with years of expertise....cut her a break while she continues to grow and learn.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1120  
Old 06-17-2011, 10:27 AM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 4,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by HRHHermione View Post
It's The Princess Royal actually :) I love her in this picture

Yes, that is a BEAUTIFUL picture...thank you !
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Caroline & The Casiraghi's - University Life agisele Princess Caroline and Family 862 12-25-2011 03:33 PM
Charlotte Casiraghi's Fashion and Style Part 1: June 2005 - July 2010 carlota Archives 394 07-23-2010 02:23 AM




Popular Tags
abdication belgium brussels carl philip charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion genealogy germany grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jordan king carl xvi gustav king constantine ii king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit olympic games ottoman pieter van vollenhoven pregnancy president hollande prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince daniel prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess ariane princess astrid princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary queen anne-marie queen fabiola queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen silvia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:24 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]