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Old 04-29-2010, 10:14 AM
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You're right scooter. But that kind of horse is a horse for a really good riders, who can see the right distance.
If Troy is one of them he's not the right horse for Charlotte and her trainer should have known better when they bought him.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:10 AM
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I'm indeed a dressage girl. And I cringe when I see jumping riders do dressage.
She can buy amazing horses and even ride them properly if she wants to. And that is the problem. If you really want to start competing seriously, it needs her attention 24/7. Simple as that.
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:55 PM
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It's possible the trainer bought her more scope than she needed, thinking that he would show the horse for a while until she grew into it. Also, a very scopey jumper could get her out of trouble when she makes a mistake. But I agree that she needs more of a school master who has done it all and will show her how to get around a big course. This one does not seem to be a match. Sometimes even the nicest jumper isn't the right one if it doesnt have the right temperament.
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Old 04-29-2010, 03:22 PM
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GI Joe and Troy are both very powerful and perhaps too much for Charlotte to handle. Maybe Tintero is a better fit, but she doesn't seem to do much better with Tintero. Tintero is young, but has potential to do very well. I think Empress hit it: Charlotte just doesn't practice enough. If she worked with her horses more, spent more time with them, we might see much better results.

You guys are all so right, about horses and sensitivity. It's amazing what they pick up, isn't it? The smallest bit of fear in a person makes a horse so anxious.
my mom works for a horse rescue and I have been to see the horses and I am constantly too nervous to go too close, because I haven't really learned how to 'please' the horses, and I won't risk doing something to make the horses uncomfortable. It makes me sad because I can see they are so hungry for the human contact, but I am scared to do something they don't like.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:14 PM
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Hi, debrann, the horse IS distressed!
Frothing, per se, is not a bad thing. In fact, often, when the horse is relaxed froth is a good sign. To make it very simple, it means that he feels at ease with the iron in his mouth.
In some cases, though, an excess of froth can be caused by an excess of excitement and nervousness, and this seems to be the case. If you have a look at the old pictures of Troy, you will see that, although he is jumping in a higher level, he looks relaxed, focused.
With Charlotte he looks anxious, there is tension in his mouth and his eyes look distressed, even while already in the air. It looks as if he doesn't understand what Charlotte is asking of him.
Horses are very sensitive and a misunderstandign with a rider can make them nervous. Charlotte was eliminated and that means the her horse refused twice to jump. When a horse of that level refuses to take a 1'20 jump, it usually reflects trust issues. The horse doesn't trust Charlotte's guide or more probably he doesn't trust her hand and thinks he's gonna be hurt in the mouth if he jumps.
Thanx Trepstrep for the explanation, I think horses are beautiful animals, but it pains me to see any any animal under stress - surely Charlotte with all her years of riding should have sensed her mount was not happy I appreciate your comments
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:49 PM
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Is equestrian an olympic sport?
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:17 AM
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Yes. Dressage, three day eventing and show jumping in both team and individual categories comprise the Olympic equestrian sports.
About Charlotte's equestrian abilities, I have to say I'm a little shocked to see some the results she's been posting lately. One would suppose, after so many years in the sport that she would at least a proficient rider, particularly with the caliber of the horses she's riding. But I agree with trepstrep that Charlotte and Troy are mismatched. I think every rider has had at least one horse that was either too fresh or too experienced (mine was my first - which is a blessing in that I got over it early but it doesn't do much for your confidence as a rider). There also seems to be a lack of a bond between rider and horse - if Charlotte is just taking him out to train and compete and them leaving him to the groom when she's done, then of course Troy isn't going to understand Charlotte or what she's asking of him. In my opinion, the more time you spend with your horse, the more it will understand you and the cooperate with you because you have a real connection. Just like if you look at Zara Phillips and Mark Todd (they're my favourites ) they have a real connection with their horses. Knowing how to jump is only going to get you so far, when it comes down to it, it is a sport like any other and it takes time and dedication, not to mention a real passion for the sport.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:17 AM
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I've noticed a very good connection between Athina and AD Ricardo 500. I haven't seen anything like this between Charlotte and any horse. I guess she was good enough with GI Joe, but I wouldn't say that was any great connection. I used to think it's good for her to do this if she enjoys it, but I'm starting to think she doesn't enjoy it that much. She just doesn't have that much to do with her time and, to her credit, she wants to do something. But she half-a--'s it. What's the point if you're going to compete once every three months, except when you're being the Global Champion Groupie (love it, trep) and so you do it once a month for half the year? And you make all these horses try to figure you out, becoming nervous wrecks because they don't know WTH to do to please you? I'm sorry, but I'm losing respect for her. She is a joke in this sport. You can see that she acts like she is all that too. She totally has attitude. She is beautiful and rich, but where is her character?
If she would show some character, some honesty, integrity, I could cut her slack. If she would just act like she knows she is just a hobby rider, if she could be humble and not act like a Champion rider.... She's a poser and that's what I find hard to get over.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:36 PM
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How does one decide if she has attitude or not? Charlotte has the money, so she competes in the GC instead of just going to the small competitions in the region of Paris. She isn't the first to do so, and won't be the last.
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Old 04-30-2010, 07:49 PM
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Yeah...um, how do you tell by those pics (or any others of her competing) that she has attitude? All I can ascertain is that she was happy to be there (from the smiling pictures). I'm not sure anybody could accurately comment on her "attitude." For the longest time--judging from pics--I thought she was the snobby, dainty type. Then I saw that vid of her leaving Stella McCartney's show last year and that Monaco jumping video she came off as quite confident albeit a little shy. So unless you know her personally, I don't think it's fair to say "she's got an attitude."

However, I think you can infer quite a lot from someone's actions. I don't know why she's traveling such a distance to compete at levels and in competitions obviously above her capability, but it does look, at best foolish and misinformed, and at worst, overconfident and self-important. I won't make a judgment either way, because you never really know, but what I will say is that I hope she starts making better results and training harder. It makes absolutely no sense for her to have been jumping this long and still be this poor at it. I mean, I can understand if you don't have a talent for something. I don't think anyone expects her to be Athina or Doda, but 52 out of 52?!! I mean, it's a waste of time if she's just doing it just to be doing it.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:27 PM
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No. It's not a waste of money if you are last of the whatever division that you are tryng to move up to. Show jumping isnt like pole vaulting that it's you against your personal best only. If you are trying to improve to the high divisions, you may absolutely be last at the very begining sometimes . Regardless of ones $ wallet or one's title, neither the horse, nor the course care what other advantages you have. And guess what? Sometimes disaster strikes, even if you are the Olympic Champion. We all come out on any given Sunday to try our hardest. And someone will win and someone will lose and the rest will be in between. Just my life experience on the subject:-)
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:55 PM
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No. It's not a waste of money if you are last of the whatever division that you are tryng to move up to. Show jumping isnt like pole vaulting that it's you against your personal best only. If you are trying to improve to the high divisions, you may absolutely be last at the very begining sometimes . Regardless of ones $ wallet or one's title, neither the horse, nor the course care what other advantages you have. And guess what? Sometimes disaster strikes, even if you are the Olympic Champion. We all come out on any given Sunday to try our hardest. And someone will win and someone will lose and the rest will be in between. Just my life experience on the subject:-)
I would totally agree with you if this were an occasional happening, but her results are repeatedly low. Not just sometimes. Sometimes she receives good results, but usually they are low. Which seems to suggest she's not putting in as much as effort as she could---in which case, if this is true then it IS a waste of time and money. Let me put it like this---there are much better things she could be putting her money toward (like the numerous starving kids out there) than jumping if she's not going to give it her all. Moreover, this is not the "beginning" for Charlotte. She's been jumping ever since was like nine or ten. She's twenty-three going on twenty-four now. I know she took a hiatus, but with that many years under her belt, one would think she'd be doing at least a little better by now.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:41 PM
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Gosh, I really can't believe the discussion going on whetever she should be travelling or even doing jumping if her results are low.

Let the girl be. It's her life, her money and her decision. She is an adult and perfectly capable of making her own choices. And if she chooses to travel half the world for jumping, that's her. Part of it could be to keep up with social contacts in her circle of horseback riding friends or just the fun of competing. Clearly she doesn't see it as a waste of time. Not everyone rides to win. Some just ride because it's fun. Some ride just to ride.
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:40 PM
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Gosh, I really can't believe the discussion going on whetever she should be travelling or even doing jumping if her results are low.

Let the girl be. It's her life, her money and her decision. She is an adult and perfectly capable of making her own choices. And if she chooses to travel half the world for jumping, that's her. Part of it could be to keep up with social contacts in her circle of horseback riding friends or just the fun of competing. Clearly she doesn't see it as a waste of time. Not everyone rides to win. Some just ride because it's fun. Some ride just to ride.
Totally agree - although, I also agree w/some of the technical arguments made by Trep Step and others. I have never ridden "professionally," but more for the love of the sport - but, now that I have kids and will be going to grad school some day, I don't have as much time to devote; but, doesn't stop me from riding here-and-there. Just because Charlotte isn't going for the Olympic team (like Zara Phillips) doesn't mean she can't enjoy the sport. Caroline rides but never turned professional, either. Once you ride, it's in your blood, so however you can stay active in the sport (even if it means a hack w/friends now-and-then), you look to stay in it. Maybe that's what Charlotte is doing - not intending to turn pro, but just keeping her skills up so she can stay active for many years to come.
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Old 05-01-2010, 03:14 PM
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Ok, she can ride just because she likes it and not to be a professional. But, if that's the case, why does she travel so far just to compete? Why does she ride such strong and expensive horses, if they are too much for her? They could be with better riders who would use them (the horses) in higher competitions and perhaps make them shine, as they deserve.
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Old 05-01-2010, 04:33 PM
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Because she has the money. Let's face it, girls. If you had all the money and you could choose between an amazing horse with an incredible background of family or a nice horse, but not very special? I'd know it.
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Because she has the money. Let's face it, girls. If you had all the money and you could choose between an amazing horse with an incredible background of family or a nice horse, but not very special? I'd know it.
DITTO! If I had the means and phenominal horses, trainers at my disposal, I'd still take full advantage whether I intended to go pro, or not.
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:40 PM
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Excuse me if I don't agree with every decision she makes because she's rich. That's like buying a convertible because I can afford it---only to go 40 miles per hour on the highway.

If she was really "riding just to ride" why doesn't she also participate in smaller competitions and not just the more popular, media-highlighted ones? Like I said before, she could just be hoping to draw attention to the sport, but I suppose my main gripe is she seems so willfully (or naively) out of her league and doing nothing to make it better. But whatever. I'll always adore her equestrian style. Here's hoping the sleeveless white blouse look makes a reapperance this summer.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:31 AM
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I think Charlotte is just accustomed to doing things at the top. It's like...... when her aunt Stephanie wanted to be a model, she went straight to the top of the game. There was no, Well, let's start at the bottom and work the way up. When you're in the GRimaldi family, you do it at the top, even it seems if you're not technically in the top league. It's not good, for them it's not good. Because there's nowhere to go when you start at the top. She never had to work very hard to attract sponsorship, because well, they came running to her. She can buy the coolest horse on the block, no problems; here's the money for it. Who cares if she doesn't get to know the horse because she had that fashion show yesterday, and then tonight,she has the film premiere, and then the art show.....

With school, it was totally different. She wasn't automatically at the top in school and she had to work, and she did for a long time, and she didn't (after all the hard work) make the grade for the school she wanted, so she quit that. She does stuff wherein she can be at the top, no questions asked.
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I really don't see the problem you all are making. But hey, that's just me. We don't know her, stop acting like you do.
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